twilight2000-digest Saturday, November 25 2000 Volume 1999 : Number 181 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: china and others vs US RE: china and others vs US Re: china and others vs US Re: china and others vs US Re: china and others vs US Re: china and others vs US Re: china and others vs US RE: china and others vs US RE: china and others vs US RE: china and others vs US Re: china and others vs US Re: china and others vs US Town Hall forum Brazilian Equipment Re: Brazilian Equipment Re: Brazilian Equipment Re: china and others vs US Re: Town Hall forum Re: Brazilian Equipment Re: Brazilian Equipment Re: Brazilian Equipment Re: Brazilian Equipment RE: Brazilian Equipment Re: Town Hall forum North American PBEM Useful info on non-US military equipment Challenge 72 Advanced Infantry Weapons Re: Challenge 72 Advanced Infantry Weapons Re: Challenge 72 Advanced Infantry Weapons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:51:26 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: china and others vs US At 04:09 PM 11/1/00 AKST, Daniel G wrote: >Don't forget that not all oil is transported by pipeline. You could block >the Suez, but the security is probably pretty good. Same with the Panama >Canal. Also, if you knock out some wells in various areas, you force the oil >companies to raise security on all of them, further raising oil prices. >Sinking supertankers would also help, as you can't exactly go out and buy. >An interesting Merc mission could be on a supertanker. Several tankers have >been knocked out by terrorists, and you are assigned to protect the one you >are on. Have some crewmen be bad guys and you could make a great >role-playing scenario. One thing about raising prices: you can't really raise prices on the oil market as a whole unless you raise production costs on the highest-price wells--this would take them out of production, which would lower the world supply and raise world oil prices. By contrast, targeting raising, say, Saudi Arabia's production costs would have no impact on world prices at all--it would just reduce Saudi Arabia's profits. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 03:43:45 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: RE: china and others vs US I'm not sure exactly what Sam was responding to, or why he sent this to me rather than the original poster, and I can't get ahold of him to ask, because his ISP won't accept my email, so I'm just forwarding the message. Scott Orr >From: smoore@digcom.com >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:23:22 -0600 >To: Scott David Orr >Subject: RE: china and others vs US >X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /220000000/221700425/221660425/221750425/ > >don't know it this will help, but there is an issue paper built kinda along >this premiss on-line. Been a while since I read it but it may help > > http://www.infowar.com/mil_c4i/99/mil_c4i_110499c_j.shtml > >The home page is > > http://www.redteamjournal.com/scenarios/axis2001.htm > >But I can't get it to load today >1=/ 2!89Sam Moore >Voice Mail Guru >Digital Communications >217-442-3800, Ext. 305 >Fax 217-442-0974 >w >D-Times New Roman W fod >- > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:47:41 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: china and others vs US Scott David Orr wrote: > At 12:20 PM 11/1/00 -0800, Peter Vieth wrote: > >Scott I wonder would it be possible for unfriendly countries to sabotage oil > >production in other countries to bring oil prices up? Or would the scale > of the > >sabotage be too large? > > > If I were going to do it, I'd look for the biggest producers, and I'd go > for bottlenecks--probably refineries and pipelines rather than oil wells. > Remember that anything you do is more or less temporary, because it can be > fixed; on the other hand, even one major problem can make the markets > panicky, and send prices up hire than the incident merits. In any case, > I'd tend to agree with your implication there that sabotaging a LOT of > producers would be tricky; I'm not sure it'd be that hard, though--it's > just not something that most terrorists would want to accomplish, without a > very specific reason. > > Scott Orr I wonder if a country wanting to raise its oil profits could sponsor terrorism against oil production in other countries. The shock to world economies would drive prices up. Output would also drop. But that is just the short run, and I wonder how long the prices would stay high and what the long term effects would be. How much oil does the US keep for reserves? And under what circumstances would China need the oil from the Spratleys? - -- Peter Vieth | fitek@ix.netcom.com | http://sanitarium.scizzors.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:30:49 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: china and others vs US At 04:47 PM 11/2/00 -0800, Peter Vieth wrote: > >I wonder if a country wanting to raise its oil profits could sponsor terrorism >against oil production in other countries. The shock to world economies would >drive prices up. Output would also drop. But that is just the short run, and I >wonder how long the prices would stay high and what the long term effects would >be. The problem with any scenario is that, at the moment at least, Saudi Arabia could just increase production to make up for the shortfall--they've occasionally been close to their maximum capacity, but not often. >How much oil does the US keep for reserves? I'm not sure how much it is (like a 60- or 90-day supply?), but you could look that up online, I'm sure. The European countries keep similar reserves. >And under what circumstances would China need the oil from the Spratleys? Define "need". The reason they want it is that it's worth a lot of money. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:02:44 +1100 From: "Peter" Subject: Re: china and others vs US Perhaps some ex-Cold War Russian (or Ukrainian, Belarus, etc) weapon program that would contaminate oil by reproducing itself and doing something chemical to the oil to render it useless. Replace Russian with Chinese or some 'black' US organisation, depending on your idea of a reasonable 'bogeyman'. Perhaps the country coming up with the program, has some form of defence, or perhaps they too fall prey to the weapon.... Peter G - ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott David Orr To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 11:33 AM Subject: Re: china and others vs US > At 12:20 PM 11/1/00 -0800, Peter Vieth wrote: > >Scott I wonder would it be possible for unfriendly countries to sabotage oil > >production in other countries to bring oil prices up? Or would the scale > of the > >sabotage be too large? > > > If I were going to do it, I'd look for the biggest producers, and I'd go > for bottlenecks--probably refineries and pipelines rather than oil wells. > Remember that anything you do is more or less temporary, because it can be > fixed; on the other hand, even one major problem can make the markets > panicky, and send prices up hire than the incident merits. In any case, > I'd tend to agree with your implication there that sabotaging a LOT of > producers would be tricky; I'm not sure it'd be that hard, though--it's > just not something that most terrorists would want to accomplish, without a > very specific reason. > > Scott Orr > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:35:57 EST From: Damage169@cs.com Subject: Re: china and others vs US In a message dated 11/3/00 9:44:45 PM Central Standard Time, grining@southcom.com.au writes: > Perhaps some ex-Cold War Russian (or Ukrainian, Belarus, etc) weapon program > that would contaminate oil by reproducing itself and doing something > chemical to the oil to render it useless. Replace Russian with Chinese or > some 'black' US organisation, depending on your idea of a reasonable > 'bogeyman'. Perhaps the country coming up with the program, has some form of > defence, or perhaps they too fall prey to the weapon.... > > Peter G > This sounds very much like a series of short stories, "The Train, I think it is, in the "There Will Be War" series of books. They detail the exploits of a steam locomotive in central Russia, manned by an engineering company of the former Soviet Army with an American CIA agent as a friendly accomplice, as they try to maintain and rebuild whatever civilization they can find. In this world, someone had developed a chemical agent that rendered petroleum products into just so much worthless goo, unless it was treated with several reagents, first as a protective chemical and than to allow the petroleum to be used in engines, etc. It shows just how crippling something like this could be, although the conventional war going on at the same time had a great deal to do with the general state of affairs as well. Doug G *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:24:50 +1100 From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" Subject: Re: china and others vs US >Perhaps some ex-Cold War Russian (or Ukrainian, Belarus, etc) weapon program >that would contaminate oil by reproducing itself and doing something >chemical to the oil to render it useless. Replace Russian with Chinese or >some 'black' US organisation, depending on your idea of a reasonable >'bogeyman'. Perhaps the country coming up with the program, has some form of >defence, or perhaps they too fall prey to the weapon.... > >Peter G Some bacteria eat oil, a bioweapon based on that is a scary concept. No Oil Ever again. Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:22:08 -0600 From: "Walter Rebsch" Subject: RE: china and others vs US > From: Jim & Peta Lawrie > > Some bacteria eat oil, a bioweapon based on that is a scary concept. > No Oil > Ever again. > > Jim In fact, some researchers are working on this right now. Not as a weapon mind you, but as an environmental cleanup tool. You know ... just dump the magic stuff on an oil spill and in a day or so it's all gone. You can see how that would be very commercially worthwhile. But if it accidentally mutated and started uncontrolled growth, then somehow gained the ability to spread in the air. Or maybe some green pro-environment anti-industrial terrorists did the modification on purpose ... Walter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 03:41:36 GMT From: "matthew henley" Subject: RE: china and others vs US not sure if this is the book that i'm thinking about, but there was a simlear story were the stuff ate any oil based products so no gas, or plastics. >In fact, some researchers are working on this right now. Not as a weapon >mind you, but as an environmental cleanup tool. You know ... just dump the >magic stuff on an oil spill and in a day or so it's all gone. You can see >how that would be very commercially worthwhile. > >But if it accidentally mutated and started uncontrolled growth, then >somehow >gained the ability to spread in the air. Or maybe some green >pro-environment anti-industrial terrorists did the modification on purpose >... > >Walter > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com >with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 23:19:22 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: RE: china and others vs US At 09:22 AM 11/4/2000 -0600, Walter Rebsch wrote: > >In fact, some researchers are working on this right now. Not as a weapon >mind you, but as an environmental cleanup tool. You know ... just dump the >magic stuff on an oil spill and in a day or so it's all gone. You can see >how that would be very commercially worthwhile. > >But if it accidentally mutated and started uncontrolled growth, then somehow >gained the ability to spread in the air. Or maybe some green >pro-environment anti-industrial terrorists did the modification on purpose >... > Even if you did this, all you'd need to do is pour some antibiotics in the oil. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 23:37:16 -0500 From: "Christopher Callicoat" Subject: Re: china and others vs US - ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C046B8.2AA29A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I can't remember the book either. Actually, I think it was a game setting= (may have been the Chicago supplement for Aftermath). What happened was = that they developed a bacteria to clean up oil spills. The first time it = was used it began to mutate (no one realized it of course). It slowly beg= an to seep into the worlds oil deposits. Within five years al of the oil = was gone, except for the (extremely) limited supplies of synthetic 'oils'= Think about it, it's not just fuel that is gone. The majority of industri= al and vehicular lubricants are petroleum based, plastics, etc. Just wanted to to add my thoughts Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott David Orr Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 11:25 PM To: twilight2000@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: china and others vs US At 09:22 AM 11/4/2000 -0600, Walter Rebsch wrote: > >In fact, some researchers are working on this right now. Not as a weapo= n >mind you, but as an environmental cleanup tool. You know ... just dump = the >magic stuff on an oil spill and in a day or so it's all gone. You can s= ee >how that would be very commercially worthwhile. > >But if it accidentally mutated and started uncontrolled growth, then som= ehow >gained the ability to spread in the air. Or maybe some green >pro-environment anti-industrial terrorists did the modification on purpo= se >... > Even if you did this, all you'd need to do is pour some antibiotics in th= e oil. Scott Orr *************************************************************************= ** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message._____= ______________________________________________________ Get more from your time online. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://expl= orer.msn.com - ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C046B8.2AA29A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I can't remember the book either. Actually, I think it= was a game setting (may have been the Chicago supplement for Aftermath).= What happened was that they developed a bacteria to clean up oil spills.= The first time it was used it began to mutate (no one realized it of cou= rse). It slowly began to seep into the worlds oil deposits. Within f= ive years al of the oil was gone, except for the (extremely) limited supp= lies of synthetic 'oils'. Think about it, it= 's not just fuel that is gone. The majority of industrial and vehicular l= ubricants are petroleum based, plastics, etc. Just wanted to to add my thoughts Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott David Orr Sent: Saturday, November = 04, 2000 11:25 PM To: t= wilight2000@lists.ient.com Subje= ct: RE: china and others vs US At 09:22 AM = 11/4/2000 -0600, Walter Rebsch wrote: > >In fact, some resear= chers are working on this right now. Not as a weapon >mind yo= u, but as an environmental cleanup tool. You know ... just dump the= >magic stuff on an oil spill and in a day or so it's all gone.&nbs= p; You can see >how that would be very commercially worthwhile. = > >But if it accidentally mutated and started uncontrolled growt= h, then somehow >gained the ability to spread in the air. Or = maybe some green >pro-environment anti-industrial terrorists did th= e modification on purpose >... > Even if you did this, all= you'd need to do is pour some antibiotics in the oil. Scott Or= r ********************************************************************= ******* To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ien= t.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the mess= age.

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- ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C046B8.2AA29A00-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 22:55:48 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Wiberg Subject: Re: china and others vs US On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Christopher Callicoat wrote: > Hi, > > I can't remember the book either. Actually, I think it was a game > setting (may have been the Chicago supplement for Aftermath). It was indeed the Aftermath Chicago supplement, "Citystate". Ray *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:14:07 +1100 From: "Peter" Subject: Town Hall forum Is the Twilight:2000 WebRPG Townhall Forum down for good, or is it still active? Peter G *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:10:31 +1100 From: "Peter" Subject: Brazilian Equipment Just wondering what rifle the Brazil army uses, same question for sidearm, light MG, and ATGM. Any ideas on how many AFV they have? Which ATGM are in use? What SAM they use? They have a Marine force? Peter G *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 19:33:58 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Wiberg Subject: Re: Brazilian Equipment I have read that the G3 is a popular weapon in South America, but that's all I know. I'd be curious to know the standard issue rifle for Latin Countries in genral though! Ray On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Peter wrote: > Just wondering what rifle the Brazil army uses, same question for sidearm, > light MG, and ATGM. Any ideas on how many AFV they have? Which ATGM are in > use? What SAM they use? They have a Marine force? > > Peter G > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:48:56 -0600 From: Rob Barnes Subject: Re: Brazilian Equipment According to Jane's, they use the FN-FAL, G3, M16A1, HK33E, and something called the IMBEL M964. SMGs seem to be mostly Beretta models, LMGs include FN-MAG, M2HB, and Madsen. No info on pistols, but they seem to have a lot of variety with the rifles, so I'd guess it isn't any more uniform with pistols. ATGMs include MILAN 3 and ERYX (also a lot of recoilless rifles in use). Armored vehicles: 87 Leopard 1 (ex-Belgian) 293 M41A3 120 X1A/X1A2 50 M3A1 400 or so EE-9 200 or so EE-11 500 M113 about 20 M59 SAM: Mostly SA-18 with a few Roland II Marines: 15,000 Hope that helps. - -Rob Peter wrote: > Just wondering what rifle the Brazil army uses, same question for sidearm, > light MG, and ATGM. Any ideas on how many AFV they have? Which ATGM are in > use? What SAM they use? They have a Marine force? > > Peter G > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 20:56:55 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Cook?= Subject: Re: china and others vs US This idea of man-made, oil-digesting bacteria also showed up in the 1997 novel "Pirates of the Universe" by Terry Bisson. An excellent read and source of ideas for those who prefer a little more bladerunneresque sci-fi in their post-apocalyptic rpg settings. Michael. - --- Ray Wiberg wrote: > > > On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Christopher Callicoat wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I can't remember the book either. Actually, I > think it was a game > > setting (may have been the Chicago supplement for > Aftermath). > > It was indeed the Aftermath Chicago supplement, > "Citystate". > > Ray > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body > of the message. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 23:11:51 CST From: "Brandon Cope" Subject: Re: Town Hall forum >From: "Peter" > >Is the Twilight:2000 WebRPG Townhall Forum down for good, or is it still >active? All the Townhall Forums are down. Try www.webrpg.net (instead of .com); WebRPG got sold anre moving, but apparently not everything is moved yet (assuming it will be moved). A generous and sadistic GM, Brandon Cope http://www.geocities.com/copeab _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:44:27 AKST From: "Daniel G" Subject: Re: Brazilian Equipment What's an X1A/A2? - -Daniel >From: Rob Barnes >Reply-To: twilight2000@lists.ient.com >To: twilight2000@lists.ient.com >Subject: Re: Brazilian Equipment >Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 22:48:56 -0600 > >According to Jane's, they use the FN-FAL, G3, M16A1, HK33E, and something >called the IMBEL M964. SMGs seem to be mostly Beretta models, LMGs >include >FN-MAG, M2HB, and Madsen. No info on pistols, but they seem to have a lot >of >variety with the rifles, so I'd guess it isn't any more uniform with >pistols. ATGMs include MILAN 3 and ERYX (also a lot of recoilless rifles >in >use). > >Armored vehicles: >87 Leopard 1 (ex-Belgian) >293 M41A3 >120 X1A/X1A2 >50 M3A1 >400 or so EE-9 >200 or so EE-11 >500 M113 >about 20 M59 > >SAM: Mostly SA-18 with a few Roland II > (snipped) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 23:05:23 -0700 From: Tim Walker Subject: Re: Brazilian Equipment Peter wrote: > > Just wondering what rifle the Brazil army uses, same question for sidearm, > light MG, and ATGM. Any ideas on how many AFV they have? Which ATGM are in > use? What SAM they use? They have a Marine force? Here's some info for you: IMBEL MD2/MD1 Pistols (Taurus Model 66 Pistols used by Brazilian S.F.) Beretta M12S, Uru Mekanika II/I, Beretta M12 and Walther MPK Sub-Machineguns (H&K MP-5 SMG's used by paramilitary forces) H&K 33K Carbine H&K 33 and M16A1 Assault Rifles (M16A2 ASR's used by Brazilian S.F.; Large stocks of IMBEL MD-3/MD-2 ASR's used by paramilitary forces) H&K G-3, IMBEL LAR and IMBEL SAR Battle Rifles M16A2 SAW Automatic Rifle FN-MAG and Urapuru Mekanika Machine-guns (small stocks of Madsen MG's are in storage) M2HB Heavy Machinegun HEAVY WEAPONS: M203 and M79 Grenade Launchers L16A2, M29A1 and M30 Mortars M136 and M20A1 3.5" Rocket Launchers M18, M20 and M40A1 Recoilless Rifles Eryx, RBS-56 BILL and SS-11 ATGML's Matra Mistral AAML LCT1 M1 Flamethrower EE-11 Urutu, M113, AAVP7A1 and M-59 Armored Personnel Carriers EE-11 Urutu AFSV-I, EE-9 Cascavel, EE-11 Urutu AFSV, M41, EE-3 Jaracara, M8, M577A1, M125A1, EE-11 Urutu Mortar Carrier and M992 FAASV Light Enjoy T.R. - -- *************************************************************** "What about the truth? What about the public's right to know?!" "Oh, come on don't give me that... The public traded the right to know for the chance to watch a long time ago..." - --Len Kaminski (Writer) Ghost Rider: 2099 #6 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 00:11:03 CST From: "Brandon Cope" Subject: Re: Brazilian Equipment >From: "Daniel G" > >What's an X1A/A2? The X1A1's were M-3 Stuarts rebuilt with new engines, added armor and a new turret mounting a French 90mm cannon; I didn't think any were still in service. The X1A2 was a competely new design: Crew: 3 Engine: 300 hp turbo-charged diesel Performance: 55 kph road, 600 km road, 600 litres fuel Armament: 90mm Cockerill w/66 rounds, coax 7.62mm MG (2500 rounds), 12.7mm A/A MG (750 rounds), 6 smoke dischargers Weight: 19 tonnes Armor: unknown A generous and sadistic GM, Brandon Cope http://www.geocities.com/copeab _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:33:58 EST From: OrrinLadd@aol.com Subject: Re: Brazilian Equipment also check out Mitch Berg's site at http://www.humanwaredesign.com/t2k/ He's got some info on Brazil. orrin *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 20:48:03 -0600 From: "Paul Mulcahy" Subject: RE: Brazilian Equipment M-9 pistol, M-1911A1 pistol (called the IMBEL), PM-12 submachinegun, MPK submachinegun, Mekanika submachinegun, M-16A1 assault rifle, HK-33 assault rifle, FN-FAL battle rifle, MAG machinegun, M-2HB machinegun, M-79 grenade launcher, 60mm mortar, 81mm mortar, 4.2" mortar, 120mm mortar, Bazooka, M-18 recoilless rifle, M-20 recoilless rifle, M-40 recoilless rifle, MAF ATGM - -----Original Message----- From: owner-twilight2000@lists.ient.com [mailto:owner-twilight2000@lists.ient.com]On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:11 PM To: twilight2000@lists.ient.com Subject: Brazilian Equipment Just wondering what rifle the Brazil army uses, same question for sidearm, light MG, and ATGM. Any ideas on how many AFV they have? Which ATGM are in use? What SAM they use? They have a Marine force? Peter G *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 05:05:22 -0800 (PST) From: graebarde Subject: Re: Town Hall forum - --- Peter wrote: > Is the Twilight:2000 WebRPG Townhall Forum down > for good, or is it still > active? > > Peter G > > aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not another one grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr daFORD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:57:52 -0000 From: airbornedraw@yahoo.com Subject: North American PBEM I am starting a North American PBEM and it will take place in NC. Characters will be created using v2.2 rules and if you are interested in playing your characters should have some type of water related skills. Marine characters and navy characters will be best for the campaign since it will take place mostly around the coast of NC. IF you are interested contact Raider2002mrw@aol.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:50:25 -0600 From: "Brandon Cope" Subject: Useful info on non-US military equipment I ran across this today: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/weg.pdf I will warn people I had trouble reading it online -- I had to download it to a hard drive to keep IE from locking up. It is also a large file(about 2.8 MB). A generous and sadistic GM, Brandon Cope http://www.geocities.com/copeab _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:35:56 +1100 From: "Peter" Subject: Challenge 72 Advanced Infantry Weapons Hi all, Does anyone have Challenge 72? If possible could someone provide the stats for the M16A4 ACR, Steyr ACR, FN P90 PDW (esp. this one!) and H&K MP 2000? Cheers! Peter Grining grining@southcom.com.au *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:27:42 -0000 From: "Roger Stenning" Subject: Re: Challenge 72 Advanced Infantry Weapons Peter - Delurking... > Does anyone have Challenge 72? If possible could someone provide the stats > for the M16A4 ACR, Steyr ACR, FN P90 PDW (esp. this one!) and H&K MP 2000? From pages 6 and 7, issue #72: Weapon ROF DAM PEN BLK MAG SS BRST RNG Steyr ACR 3 2 1-1-nil 4 24 1 2 75 Round: 5.56 SCF Weight (Empty): 3.2 Kg Magazine: 24 Price: $750 (R/-) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------- Weapon ROF DAM PEN BLK MAG SS BRST RNG M16A4 ACR 5 3 1-nil 4/5 20/30 2 4 55 w/duplex 10 2 1-nil 4/5 20/30* 2 4 30 ammo * Each round of Duplex ammo fired counts as two bullets, e.g, a single burst contains ten bullets, although five cartridges were fired. (NOTE: The duplex round is treated DIFFERENTLY than in Dark Conspiracy) Round: 5.56mmN Weight (Empty): 4.0 Kg Magazine: 20/30 Price: $550 (R/-) 5.56x45mmN Duplex Loaded magazine (30): 0.5 Kg, $15 Case (840): 10.0 Kg, $150 (R/-) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------- Weapon ROF DAM PEN BLK MAG SS BRST RNG FN P90 PDW 10 2 1-nil 3 50 2 7 30 w/HiVel ammo 10 2 1-1-nil 3 50 2 7 40 Round: 5.7mmFN Weight (Empty): 2.8Kg Magazine: 50 Price: $650 (R/-) 5.7x28nn Fabrique Nationale Loaded Magazine (50): 0.4 Kg, $25 (HV ammo, $225 (R/-)) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------- Weapon ROF DAM PEN BLK MAG SS BRST RNG H&K MP2000 3/10 2 nil 2/3 30 1 2/6 30 w/silencer 3/10 2 nil 3/4 30 1 2/4 20 Round: 9mmP Weight (Empty): 2.8 Kg (With silencer, 3.6 Kg) Magazine: 30 Price: $950 (R/-) Loaded magazine (30): 0.44 Kg. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------- Hope the above helps! Best regards, Roger Stenning Webmaster, The Impossible Scenarios Group www.the-isg.co.uk ICQ: 74721632 UK Amateur Radio call sign: G1LIW (PGP public key available on request) ________________________________________________________ LEGAL DISCLAIMER: The views expressed in this message may not be those of the ISG. The information in this email and in any attachments may be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of its content to any other person - you should also destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:36:17 -0700 From: Tim Walker Subject: Re: Challenge 72 Advanced Infantry Weapons Peter wrote: > > Hi all, > > Does anyone have Challenge 72? If possible could someone provide the stats > for the M16A4 ACR, Steyr ACR, FN P90 PDW (esp. this one!) and H&K MP 2000? > > Cheers! http://members.nbci.com/wapahani/newwpns.html You'll find the info on the FN P90 PDW and M-16A4 (current version), the text is intended for the Dark Conspiracy RPG but the game stats should be more than suitable. T.R. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #181 *************************************