twilight2000-digest Saturday, October 28 2000 Volume 1999 : Number 179 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: Locations of military bases Re: twilight2000-digest V1999 #178 Rules for the Grand Game RE: Rules for the Grand Game The REAL address Re: The REAL address Re: The REAL address Re: The REAL address Licensing FAQ? Re: Licensing FAQ? T2k military academies Re: T2k military academies Re: T2k military academies Re: T2k military academies Re: T2k military academies Re: T2k military academies Re: T2k military academies Re: T2k military academies Re: T2k military academies Re: T2k military academies Re: T2k military academies Re: T2k military academies TEst Re: TEst Re: TEst Re: TEst Re: TEst Fw: A litle help... Re: Fw: A litle help... Re: A litle help... china and others vs US ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:58:32 EDT From: "Christopher Callicoat" Subject: Re: Locations of military bases >Hey, I actually managed to find Mount Weather, and that's supposed to be >secret. Of course, they DID have guns, so we didn't get too nosy. Quick note, most bases have armed guards. You know you are in trouble when you have a machine gun nest at the front entrance of your high school and a four man roving patrol wandering the halls, one with an M16/M20, the rest with just 16's. (Ah the joys, and paranoias, of going to a Department of Defense school in Germany during the mid-80's. >"Timothy P Moerke (Timothy Moerke)" wrote: > > > > If it's not on a map, you weren't supposed to find out about it. > > > > But if it's *that* secret, I don't think there would be an r/c airplane > > club that holds events less than a mile away, nor a vo-tech up the >street, > > and in the middle (literally) of a suburb. We're not talking Area 51 > > here...it was very well-marked, and had a sign saying what it was at the > > gates (I don't remember what was on the sign). > > > > T.P.M. The base also could have been a Reserve or National Guard base. It will still be clearly marked but will not show up on maps because it is not a major installation. Hope it helps, Chris "Man has an inalienable right to go to hell in his own fashion, provided he does not directly injure the person or property of another on the way. The criminal law is an inefficient instrument for imposing the good life on others. In short, the law has become too much of a moral busybody." _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:00:21 EDT From: GDWGAMES@aol.com Subject: Re: twilight2000-digest V1999 #178 > Well, I was mainly curious as to what a typical turn was like. What sorts of > decisions did the players make and how were the results presented? If the > turns represented 5 or 10 years, how were more immediate events like wars > and > economic crises determined? It has been almost 10 years -- I don't remember any specifics. THere's a text of the rules on the web some place -- at least one version of them -- do some surfing. > Were there any results that were unsatisfying? My inability to conquer the world was a constant source of frustration to me. LKW *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:36:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Timothy P Moerke (Timothy Moerke) Subject: Rules for the Grand Game If anyone's interested, I managed to track down the rules for the "Grand Game" played as part of making 2300 AD. Here's the URL: www.andrews.cmu.edu/~stevena/2300gg2.htm T.P.M. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:45:59 -0500 From: "Paul Mulcahy" Subject: RE: Rules for the Grand Game That web address gave a DNS error. In otherwise, the address is not correct. What is the correct address? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-twilight2000@lists.ient.com [mailto:owner-twilight2000@lists.ient.com]On Behalf Of Timothy P Moerke (Timothy Moerke) Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 1:37 PM To: twilight2000@lists.ient.com Subject: Rules for the Grand Game If anyone's interested, I managed to track down the rules for the "Grand Game" played as part of making 2300 AD. Here's the URL: www.andrews.cmu.edu/~stevena/2300gg2.htm T.P.M. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:55:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Timothy P Moerke (Timothy Moerke) Subject: The REAL address > That web address gave a DNS error. In otherwise, the address is not > correct. What is the correct address? Whoops...sorry, it should be "andrew" rather than "andrews." So the correct URL is: www.andrew.cmu.edu/~stevena/2300gg2.htm Thanks for catching the typo! T.P.M. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:54:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Timothy P Moerke (Timothy Moerke) Subject: Re: The REAL address > > Whoops...sorry, it should be "andrew" rather than "andrews." So the > > correct URL is: > > > > www.andrew.cmu.edu/~stevena/2300gg2.htm > > > > Thanks for catching the typo! > > > > That one gives a DNS error also..... Funny. I cut-and-pasted the address above into my browser, and the page showed up. I don't know why it isn't working for you... T.P.M. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:05:48 -0600 From: Tim Walker Subject: Re: The REAL address Here's some links that might be of use: USMC Reserve http://www.marforres.usmc.mil/units.nsf/locations USMC MEU http://www.usmc.mil/meus/meus.nsf/$Help?Open All Service Branches http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/installations/ If I dig up any more from my links I'll post them here, hope they help. T.R. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:09:54 EDT From: Damage169@cs.com Subject: Re: The REAL address T. P. M. writes: > > > Whoops...sorry, it should be "andrew" rather than "andrews." So the > > > correct URL is: > > > > > > www.andrew.cmu.edu/~stevena/2300gg2.htm > > > > > > Thanks for catching the typo! > > > > > > > That one gives a DNS error also..... > > Funny. I cut-and-pasted the address above into my browser, and the page > showed up. I don't know why it isn't working for you... > > T.P.M. It worked for me as well. Simon Jester *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:04:01 -0700 From: Snake Eyes Subject: Licensing FAQ? Anybody out there know what happened to the licensing FAQ that used to be @ the MPGN site? Is there a new location for that info? I need the official disclaimer info for web pages, etc. Who owns the rights to Twilight: 2000 now, anyway? Thanks. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 00:08:23 -0600 From: Tim Walker Subject: Re: Licensing FAQ? Snake Eyes wrote: > > Anybody out there know what happened to the licensing FAQ that used to be @ > the MPGN site? Is there a new location for that info? I need the official > disclaimer info for web pages, etc. > > Who owns the rights to Twilight: 2000 now, anyway? > > Thanks. Dunno what happened to it but here's an example of what I use on my site for disclaimers. >>The Merc:2000 game (Twilight: 2000) game in all forms is owned by Tantalus, Inc. Copyright 1990-1996 Tantalus,Inc Merc:2000 (Twilight: 2000) is a trademark of Tantalus Inc. Tantalus permits web sites and fanzines for this game, provided it contains this notice, that Tantalus is notified, and subject to a withdrawal of permission on 90 days notice. The contents of this site are for personal, non-commercial use. Any use of Tantalus, Inc's copyrighted material or trademarks anywhere on this web site and its files should not be viewed as a challenge to those copyrights or trademarks. In addition, any program/article/file on this site cannot be republished or distributed without the consent of the author who contributed it.<< As far as WHO owns Twilight right now, Tantalus used to-rumors were they got bought out by another company called IGN I think it was. Then there were those that said the rights were transfered to the company. Now there's another company out there claiming to own the rights as their doing a page devoted supposidly to the game. However no new content to their page in ages. So WHO kows who has the rights to it right now! T.R. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:53:35 EDT From: OrrinLadd@aol.com Subject: T2k military academies I was looking over some old characters of mine and came up with some questions regarding military academies. Anyone care to help me out? First, are they really that different from undergraduate universities? I know you learn how to be a soldier and they are very very very competitive to get into. But they do award bachelor's degrees in humanities and arts don't they? I do know that during the summer, the cadets are sent off to "intern" with real military units, but what about during the school year? What is the cirriculum like at one of these places? I can understand leadership, combat engineer and construction, computer and persuasion, but small arms skills in addtion to small arms from basic training? Or horsemanship? Shouldn't navigation be there as well? And wouldn't the Navy and Air Force Academies teach things related to flying and seafaring? Second, what are the names of other non-US military academies. I know the French have St. Cyr and the British have Sandhurst, but what about the others, particularly the former Warsaw Pact? thanks orrin *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 21:13:36 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: T2k military academies At 04:53 PM 10/3/00 EDT, OrrinLadd@aol.com wrote: >I was looking over some old characters of mine and came up with some >questions regarding military academies. Anyone care to help me out? > The following would apply to the U.S. Note that it would to some extent be true of the ROTC programs of certain colleges with strong military traditions (places like the Citadel and VMI you probably know about--but they don't produce many officers nowadays; Norwich and North Georgia College are less well known, and I don't think either is totally "military"; Texas A&M may [or may have been at one time] in this category--I'm not sure). >First, are they really that different from undergraduate universities? I >know you learn how to be a soldier and they are very very very competitive to >get into. But they do award bachelor's degrees in humanities and arts don't >they? A few; for historical reasons, they favor engineering (as do ROTC programs in general). Note that the academies are small colleges, so (outside engineering) they tend to award degrees only in the basic disciplines, like history and English. >I do know that during the summer, the cadets are sent off to "intern" >with real military units, but what about during the school year? They go to school during the rest of the year! ROTC students, BTW, also spend one summer training. >What is the cirriculum like at one of these places? I can understand leadership, combat >engineer and construction, computer and persuasion, but small arms skills in >addtion to small arms from basic training? Or horsemanship? Shouldn't >navigation be there as well? It would be about teh same curriculum you'd get if you were in ROTC--you'd have the normal college classes, and then on top of that about one military class every quarter/semester. They would teach basic stuff like ranks and military etiquette, and a few military skills like basic tactics or navigation, with maybe a bit of military history (though I hear that even the academies are really bad about teaching military history these days). Other than drilling, an ROTC program won't teach real combat skills; however, students may be part of the university's gun club, and Army ROTC prgrams usually have "Rangers" organization that teaches things like rock climbing. I would gues that there's a little firearms training available at the service academies. However, as I recall (from when I was considering applying to them) the first summer program they go to is a sort of mini basic training (obviously, they've already gotten the conditioning part). >And wouldn't the Navy and Air Force Academies >teach things related to flying and seafaring? The Air Force Academy does teach flying, as part of its main curriculum, but AFAIK none of the others do. > >Second, what are the names of other non-US military academies. I know the >French have St. Cyr and the British have Sandhurst, but what about the >others, particularly the former Warsaw Pact? > I don't really know that one. I do know that the three Baltic states have just opened a joint academy, to which the U.S. is sending a few students); I'm not sure if they have individual academies as well, but I wouldn't be surprised if they've decided to rely exclusively on the joint academy, since they've al got such small militaries. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:51:27 -0500 From: Rob Barnes Subject: Re: T2k military academies In the former Soviet Union, there was the Frunze Military Academy in Moscow for one. I don't know if it is still in existence, but I would assume so. However, in the old USSR, there were dozens of military academies...several for each individual branch...as opposed to the US version of one per service. The military education began at an early age and there were scores of specialized schools whereas Western academies tend to be more generalist. - -Rob OrrinLadd@aol.com wrote: > I was looking over some old characters of mine and came up with some > questions regarding military academies. Anyone care to help me out? > > First, are they really that different from undergraduate universities? I > know you learn how to be a soldier and they are very very very competitive to > get into. But they do award bachelor's degrees in humanities and arts don't > they? I do know that during the summer, the cadets are sent off to "intern" > with real military units, but what about during the school year? What is the > cirriculum like at one of these places? I can understand leadership, combat > engineer and construction, computer and persuasion, but small arms skills in > addtion to small arms from basic training? Or horsemanship? Shouldn't > navigation be there as well? And wouldn't the Navy and Air Force Academies > teach things related to flying and seafaring? > > Second, what are the names of other non-US military academies. I know the > French have St. Cyr and the British have Sandhurst, but what about the > others, particularly the former Warsaw Pact? > > thanks > orrin > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 04:57:39 -0700 From: "JC" Subject: Re: T2k military academies >First, are they really that different from undergraduate universities? I >know you learn how to be a soldier and they are very very very competitive to >get into. But they do award bachelor's degrees in humanities and arts don't >they? I do know that during the summer, the cadets are sent off to "intern" >with real military units, but what about during the school year? What is the >cirriculum like at one of these places? I can understand leadership, combat >engineer and construction, computer and persuasion, but small arms skills in >addtion to small arms from basic training? Or horsemanship? Shouldn't >navigation be there as well? And wouldn't the Navy and Air Force Academies >teach things related to flying and seafaring? I had a friend who graduated from Annapolis awhile back, so I've heard a little of what it's like. I think one of the major differences is the academies are much stricter and have more rules on how to conduct yourself, down to how far away from the wall you must walk and how many paces a minute you need to take etc. Nav should probably be included, even I took a land nav class when I was in Army ROTC. I don't know if my friend's curriculum is typical but she ended up with an engineering degree of some sort. Also there's a pretty big emphasis on physical fitness. Aside from PT, my friend said they were highly encouraged (or was it required?) to play either a team sport or intramural sport every semester. I'm pretty sure she also mentioned something about learning deckhandling skills etc too like tying knots... I'm not sure if the Air Force Academy would include a lot of flight skills since a large part of those officers will most likely not become pilots. As for the weapon stuff my brother just finished OCS with the Marines and he said that every Marine Officer has to go to TBS (The Basic School) which is their version of infantry school, granted this is the Marines where everyone is trained to be a rifleman no matter what your MOS is going to be eventually. But he say that at TBS they pretty much have an option to to become qualified in almost every small arm used by the US military, not just the M-16 and M9. According to him they can also get qualified on some of the heavier support weapons up to and including the M2 and Mk19. >Second, what are the names of other non-US military academies. I know the >French have St. Cyr and the British have Sandhurst, but what about the >others, particularly the former Warsaw Pact? Only one I can think of offhand would be the Frunze military academy in the ex-USSR. I can't remember for sure but i think it's a more advanced school for higher level officers more similar to say the Army War College then West Point. But I could have it mixed up. Regards, JC *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:41:49 EDT From: Damage169@cs.com Subject: Re: T2k military academies OrrinLadd@aol.com writes: > Second, what are the names of other non-US military academies. I know the > French have St. Cyr and the British have Sandhurst, but what about the > others, particularly the former Warsaw Pact? I don't have any links or information (other than rumor) about most military academies in the world, but I did find this link: http://www.kki.net.pl/~guerilla/english/index.htm The site is in both Polish and English; I just copied the English site addy for convenience. It has links to a great number of national as well as local/state/private military academies for about 30 nations, including the US and United Kingdom, but not many in former Warsaw Pact countries. Still, it'll give you a good number to work through. Simon Jester *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:47:48 EDT From: Damage169@cs.com Subject: Re: T2k military academies Here's another link with a lot of national military academy links. Not quite as extensive below the national level as the first one I sent, but it has several countries not covered in the other website. http://www.tou.com/host/trooper/academies.html Best Regards, Simon Jester *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:39:05 EDT From: Damage169@cs.com Subject: Re: T2k military academies Discovered at least one military academy in Russia, the Gagarin Air Force Academy. Here's the link: http://www.infoart.ru/avia/avia_eng/vva/index.htm Here's an IDSA research paper on Chinese military academies: http://www.idsa-india.org/an-apr9-3.html Simon Jester *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:38:07 EDT From: "Christopher Callicoat" Subject: Re: T2k military academies >OrrinLadd@aol.com writes: > > > Second, what are the names of other non-US military academies. I know >the > > French have St. Cyr and the British have Sandhurst, but what about the > > others, particularly the former Warsaw Pact? > Hello, I don't contribute very often, but I thought that I may be able to help. From what I recall, the former Soviet Union had the Frunze military academy for all military officers along with individual schools for all branches of the mititary. (In the book "The Hunt For The Red October" Captain Ramius taught at the naval school, too lazy to go look up the name though.) The thing to remember about these schools is that they are intended for soldiers already in the military. The Soviet Union had forced conscription (no clue if Russia still does) with a tour lasting two years. Approx. 75%-80% of the soldiers would leave after two years. As a result, very few would receive promotions into what are considered NCO (high enlisted) positions. As a result, the Soviet military used it's lower ranking officers (Lieutenants etc.) as the U.S. would use it's Sgt's, Staff Sgt's, etc. Most officers were enlisted men that volunteered for higher training (not all, but most). As a side note, this is the reason that the U.S. military was expected to stand up, and quite possibly beat, the Soviet military. Because of their lack of NCO's, the Soviet's used a chain of command that basically flowed one way. A command could be issued down the chain but information could not be sent up it, nor could individual tanks or infantry units communicate with each other. Their radios could only receive, not send. Also, individual units could not vary form their orders, reputedly on fear of death (never proven).As a result, the Soviet military usually did not function in units smaller than a company or platoon. Meanwhile, the U.S. encouraged individual interpetation of orders and wants feedback from all of it's units, from the squad level up (through the chain of command of course). As a result, a squad of U.S. infantry could be tasked to the same objective that a platoon of Soviet infantry would be. Please, feel free to pick this apart as you see fit, it is based on mid-80's U.S. tanker instruction and training. (You learned odd things living as a dependent in Germany during the cold war). Thanks, Chris "Man has an inalienable right to go to hell in his own fashion, provided he does not directly injure the person or property of another on the way. The criminal law is an inefficient instrument for imposing the good life on others. In short, the law has become too much of a moral busybody." _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 23:41:51 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: T2k military academies At 09:38 PM 10/4/00 EDT, Christopher Callicoat wrote: >Because of their lack of NCO's, the Soviet's used a chain of command that >basically flowed one way. A command could be issued down the chain but >information could not be sent up it, nor could individual tanks or infantry >units communicate with each other. Their radios could only receive, not >send. Also, individual units could not vary form their orders, reputedly on >fear of death (never proven).As a result, the Soviet military usually did >not function in units smaller than a company or platoon. Meanwhile, the U.S. >encouraged individual interpetation of orders and wants feedback from all of >it's units, from the squad level up (through the chain of command of >course). As a result, a squad of U.S. infantry could be tasked to the same >objective that a platoon of Soviet infantry would be. > The U.S. (and other modern militaries, dating back to the German army created in the mid-19th century by von Moltke--though it took awhile for this to really catch on) also encourages communication _between_ subordinate units. That is, things don't necessarily have to go up the chain of command then back down, but can be worked out by two adjacent units, or between a line unit and a support unit, and so on. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:07:56 -0700 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: T2k military academies Christopher Callicoat wrote: > >OrrinLadd@aol.com writes: > > > > > Second, what are the names of other non-US military academies. I know > >the > > > French have St. Cyr and the British have Sandhurst, but what about the > > > others, particularly the former Warsaw Pact? > > > Hello, > > I don't contribute very often, but I thought that I may be able to help. > >From what I recall, the former Soviet Union had the Frunze military academy > for all military officers along with individual schools for all branches of > the mititary. (In the book "The Hunt For The Red October" Captain Ramius > taught at the naval school, too lazy to go look up the name though.) > > The thing to remember about these schools is that they are intended for > soldiers already in the military. The Soviet Union had forced conscription > (no clue if Russia still does) im sure they do, how else could they have an army now (or in the past, they never did pay well). - -- Peter Vieth | fitek@ix.netcom.com | http://sanitarium.scizzors.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:40:22 +0000 From: neratin Subject: Re: T2k military academies OrrinLadd@aol.com writes: > > Second, what are the names of other non-US military academies. I know >the French have St. Cyr and the British have Sandhurst, but what about the >others, particularly the former Warsaw Pact? Poland had (till we were in Warsaw Pact) four Military Academies: Technical MA (WAT) in Warsaw, Medical MA (WAM) in Lodz, Political MA (WAP) in Warsaw, Naval MA in Gdynia. Of course Polish Army had also schools for all branches: mechanized, armor, aviation etc. Piotr Florek - --- WIRUS - wirus - WIRUS - wirus - WIRUS - wirus - WIRUS - -niE baDz beZbronny - http://www.avp-promocja.kki.pl - *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 01:43:53 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: T2k military academies At 05:07 PM 10/12/00 -0700, Peter Vieth wrote: >Christopher Callicoat wrote: > >> The thing to remember about these schools is that they are intended for >> soldiers already in the military. The Soviet Union had forced conscription >> (no clue if Russia still does) > >im sure they do, how else could they have an army now (or in the past, they >never did pay well). > Yes, Russia still conscripts, although Yeltsin and now Putin would like to move toward a smaller, professional army--the conscripts don't make much of a fighting force, especialy when fnds for trainign are almost non-existent (and I think that they've shortened the term of service to like a year or mine months). Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:31:28 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: TEst Roger Stenning says this thing isn't working, so we're trying it. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:41:38 EDT From: CMarkChester@aol.com Subject: Re: TEst Well it works for me!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------ We burn them to ashes, and then burn the ashes!! 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It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:23:37 EDT From: CMarkChester@aol.com Subject: Re: TEst The only thing is that where the hell is everybody!! Has someone released the Nuclear Holocaust and forgot to mention it to the rest of us :-) Or has everyone got the cold. If so I've got the same one. Maybe I picked up a virus from my computer :-) Come back everybody!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------ We burn them to ashes, and then burn the ashes!! (Official motto of the Firemen (Fahrenheit 451) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:52:21 EDT From: OrrinLadd@aol.com Subject: Re: TEst In a message dated 10/21/2000 9:32:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, CMarkChester@aol.com writes: > Come back everybody!! this list goes through hot and cold periods. This is a cold period. To start things up, what would you like to talk about?=) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:22:43 +0100 From: "Roger Stenning" Subject: Fw: A litle help... Folks - Right; now my send snag appears to be fixed, here we go again (I hope)... A freind of mine needs a little help - > I am desperate for a copy of the T2K v2 NATO Combat Vehicle > Handbook. The only one I can find on any secondhand dealers > website is First Edition... not what I need. Could you let me know through this list, and I'll forward comments to him. TIA! Best regards, Roger Stenning Webmaster, the Impossible Scenarios Group www.the-isg.co.uk ICQ: 74721632 UK Amateur Radio call sign: G1LIW (PGP public key available on request) ________________________________________________________ LEGAL DISCLAIMER: The views expressed in this message may not be those of the ISG. The information in this email and in any attachments may be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of its content to any other person - you should also destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:12:23 GMT From: "Brandon Cope" Subject: Re: Fw: A litle help... >From: "Roger Stenning" > >Folks - > >Right; now my send snag appears to be fixed, here we go again (I hope)... > >A freind of mine needs a little help - > > > I am desperate for a copy of the T2K v2 NATO Combat Vehicle > > Handbook. The only one I can find on any secondhand dealers > > website is First Edition... not what I need. > >Could you let me know through this list, and I'll forward comments to him. I know of two stores in Houston that have copies ... but I'd want the US Army Vehicle Guide ... A generous and sadistic GM, Brandon Cope http://www.geocities.com/copeab _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:52:39 -0700 From: "JC" Subject: Re: A litle help... I can take a look around tomorrow possibly, there's a few used book and game stores that occassionally have some T2k stuff. JC *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:52:47 -0700 From: Peter Vieth Subject: china and others vs US A friend and I have been thinking about a new setting for T2k but I've run into some problems. The overall idea is cooperation between several countries in order to bring the US (and its allies I suppose) to its knees by starving it of oil so that they can act without US intervention. Here is what I've got: Russia gets very uppity over NATO expansion OPEC severely limits exports More trouble for Russia with Cechnya and such Iraq flares up again (requiring US forces to head over to the gulf) Perhaps Israel gets harassed by its neighbors China captures Vladivostok (for its port, or maybe not, the point is for China to get some transport ships to prepare for an invasion of Taiwan) More overseas commitments for the US Sabotage of oil production in the US This goes on for a year or two, long enough to weaken the US but not long enoough for people to get used to not having enough oil If China needs it, and I don't know if they do, they try to capture Alaska and cut off oil from there to the US. Alternatively more sabotage. Invasion of South Korea, Taiwan. Possibly something to do with Japan? Japan depends on imports, would it be in anyones interest to somehow limit these? (definately the Japanese navy could be a threat) With acquired technology and capital and a weakened US, China assumes the superpower status it wants. Israel gets wiped off the map if the Arab states are so inclined. Other mayhem if desired. The Chinese invasion of Alaska I think would be fun to roleplay. But I don't see how it could happen. Assuming they got several shiploads of troops over, perhaps disguised as merchant ships, what resistance would they find and how would the US react. Remember that oil has been extremely scarce for a while now, and the US needs oil for its military. So military intervention might be more limited, but then again the US really needs Alaskan oil. Also US units are deployed elsewhere. Alaska also has a small population. This scenario may not be realistic, but it sounds like a lot of fun if the PCs are a group of national guardsmen or something. Perhaps they could be in Anchorage when the invasion takes place and harass the Chinese military. Some parts of this remain unresolved: what would Russia be doing all this time, and what are the other unnamed conflicts? Would these conflicts lead to nuclear war? What other campaign ideas exist (perhaps the PCs could be involved in some other US response) Any ideas? - -- Peter Vieth | fitek@ix.netcom.com | http://sanitarium.scizzors.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #179 *************************************