twilight2000-digest Wednesday, June 14 2000 Volume 1999 : Number 144 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: infra red sights RE: infra red sights RE: infra red sights IR Inhibitors :was infra red sights RE: IR Inhibitors :was infra red sights Re: IR Inhibitors :was infra red sights Re: infra red sights RE: infra red sights insect repellant (was RE: IR Inhibitors :was infra red sights) Re: insect repellant (was RE: IR Inhibitors :was infra red sights) OT: rant on woodpeckers Re: insect repellant (was RE: IR Inhibitors :was infra red sights) Testing RE: Testing Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) RE: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) Re: OT: rant on woodpeckers Re: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) RE: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) Re: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) RE: OT: rant on woodpeckers Re: Testing Re: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) Re: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) Re: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) OT: EverQuest RE: EverQuest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:35:08 -0500 From: Craig Gulledge Subject: Re: infra red sights JC wrote: > >Aren't standard BDU's treated to reduce the IR signature? Or am I > >imagining this? > > > Anyone remember those weird looking poncho like things the US > Army distributed during Desert Storm? It was sort of a medium > green color and had this dark green grid pattern with random dots of > the same dye on it. Thought I read somewhere at the time that the > dark green dye was IR inhibiting and was supposed to help break up > the wearer's heat signature so he wasn't immediately recognizable > as a person. > Well that is what we were told. This night-time desert, what you are describing was suposed to break up IR. Also we were told NOT to starch our (regular) BDU's beacause the starch broke down the "IR defeating" stuff in the material. I don't know if this is the truth, but I was told this by more than one person (including my First Sergeant). Craig Gulledge *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:53:07 -0500 From: "Kevin O'Dell" Subject: RE: infra red sights I have heard too that the BDUs are treated as well as the ponchos. But I have no facts to back this up, and when using IR I have not noticed a significant difference in signature from normal cloths. I have also heard that the paint used to camouflage the vehicles has anti-IR properties too. Thanks Kevin - -----Original Message----- From: Craig Gulledge [SMTP:CSGULLEDGE@satx.rr.com] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 4:35 PM To: twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: infra red sights JC wrote: > >Aren't standard BDU's treated to reduce the IR signature? Or am I > >imagining this? > > > Anyone remember those weird looking poncho like things the US > Army distributed during Desert Storm? It was sort of a medium > green color and had this dark green grid pattern with random dots of > the same dye on it. Thought I read somewhere at the time that the > dark green dye was IR inhibiting and was supposed to help break up > the wearer's heat signature so he wasn't immediately recognizable > as a person. > Well that is what we were told. This night-time desert, what you are describing was suposed to break up IR. Also we were told NOT to starch our (regular) BDU's beacause the starch broke down the "IR defeating" stuff in the material. I don't know if this is the truth, but I was told this by more than one person (including my First Sergeant). Craig Gulledge *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:52:42 -0500 From: "Walter Rebsch" Subject: RE: infra red sights > From: Kevin O'Dell > > I have heard too that the BDUs are treated as well as the ponchos. But I > have no facts to back this up, and when using IR I have not noticed a > significant difference in signature from normal cloths. I have also heard > that the paint used to camouflage the vehicles has anti-IR properties too. The only thing I heard about the paint is that it was 'cark' paint. That's my own spelling from what it sounded like. It is supposed to be chemical resistant for some crap. What chemicals and why I don't know. It's just what I heard. > From: Craig Gulledge [SMTP:CSGULLEDGE@satx.rr.com] > > JC wrote: > > > >Aren't standard BDU's treated to reduce the IR signature? Or am I > > >imagining this? > > > > > Anyone remember those weird looking poncho like things the US > > Army distributed during Desert Storm? It was sort of a medium > > green color and had this dark green grid pattern with random dots of > > the same dye on it. Thought I read somewhere at the time that the > > dark green dye was IR inhibiting and was supposed to help break up > > the wearer's heat signature so he wasn't immediately recognizable > > as a person. > > > > Well that is what we were told. This night-time desert, what you are > describing was suposed to break up IR. > > Also we were told NOT to starch our (regular) BDU's beacause the > starch broke down the "IR defeating" stuff in the material. > I don't know if this is the truth, but I was told this by more > than one person (including my First Sergeant). Yeah, I was told that by several people in my unit also. I'm not sure if I buy it, but that's what they said. It sounded to me like they were quoting some manual somewhere when they said it. Remember that most people confuse 'night vision' with 'IR'. NVG's don't have anything to do with body heat, even if they see IR. That's what a Thermal Sight does, see's heat. We talked about this before a bit. NVG's use ambient light, either visible light or near-infrared light, and amplify it greatly. Some have little IR light-bulbs on them in-case there is no ambient light, but those little IR lights are worthless for the most part (I think they are intended to assist map reading when it's totally dark because they have a usefull range of about 2 feet). Thermal sights use 'far infra-red' which is created by heat. The item that JC was referring to above is called a Desert Parka Shell. Maybe that's not the technical term, but it's what we called them. There is the jacket, pants, and the liners. None of that IR stuff makes any difference to NVG's. Camo, shadows, and cover work the same against people with NVG's. Just imagine what you could see with a grainy B&W TV camera in somewhat dim lighting. That's what you see with NVG's in what seems like total darkness to the non-NVG wearer. You DON'T see body heat with NVG's (called IR goggles in Twilight I believe). The only item that I know does have anti-IR qualities (that actually does something) is camo-netting. Some tanker's I knew said you couldn't ID a vehicle under camo-nets with the thermal sights worth a damn. You could tell something was there (most of the time), but not exactly what it was. So in-other-words, the camo netting worked about the same effectiveness aginst normal vision as it did against a thermal sight. Now, that's the camo-netting we used. I don't have any idea anymore what other countries use. I can't say what the effectiveness of the Desert Parka Shell is against a Thermal Sight. I'd just be guessing wildly. I hope this helps a little anyway. Walter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 07:30:35 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: IR Inhibitors :was infra red sights > Anyone remember those weird looking poncho like things the US > Army distributed during Desert Storm? It was sort of a medium > green color and had this dark green grid pattern with random dots of > the same dye on it. Thought I read somewhere at the time that the > dark green dye was IR inhibiting and was supposed to help break up > the wearer's heat signature so he wasn't immediately recognizable > as a person. It's not the heat signature they are trying to break up so much with IR. However there was talk of inhibitors being placed in the cam uniforms of soldiers to try and reduce the IR signature. However I heard that it washed out after about three cycles if that...so very limited usage. Ballistix > > JC > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:06:39 +1200 From: "Gray, Raymond" Subject: RE: IR Inhibitors :was infra red sights >> Anyone remember those weird looking poncho like things the US >> Army distributed during Desert Storm? It was sort of a medium >> green color and had this dark green grid pattern with random dots of >> the same dye on it. Thought I read somewhere at the time that the >> dark green dye was IR inhibiting and was supposed to help break up >> the wearer's heat signature so he wasn't immediately recognizable >> as a person. >It's not the heat signature they are trying to break up so much with IR. >However there was talk of inhibitors being placed in the cam uniforms >of soldiers to try and reduce the IR signature. However I heard that >it washed out after about three cycles if that...so very limited usage. The std issue NZ Army uniform is made with IR inhibiting "stuff". We never took it seriously until we were playing with some IR goggles in a hanger. People in the older uniform, which is camoflauged to the naked eye, looked like they were wearing all bright white (a snow uniform!). They stood out like dogs balls. People in the newer issue uniform looked like they were wearing a camoflagued uniform. So in if they were standing 100 yds away in low light you would have as much chance of seeing them as you would with the naked eye. Not only does starch screw with the properties but also a hot wash, and especially ironing. So we do not iron all but our best uniforms now (rats!). On a related topic the Aussies in Timor had their uniforms treated with insect repellant. A lot of the soldiers reacted to it and came out in a rash and ugly itchy spots (kinda defeated the purpose, you could almost picture an Aussie troopie laughing manically and screaming "well at least the bugs didn't get me, aha ahha aha aha.."). Quite a few soldiers also got seriously sick. Ps we were made to study and remember the washing label on our BDUs (as you call them) during basic. Cheers Ray *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 17:23:30 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: Re: IR Inhibitors :was infra red sights > On a related topic the Aussies in Timor had their uniforms treated with > insect repellant. A lot of the soldiers reacted to it and came out in a > rash and ugly itchy spots (kinda defeated the purpose, you could almost > picture an Aussie troopie laughing manically and screaming "well at least > the bugs didn't get me, aha ahha aha aha.."). Quite a few soldiers also got > seriously sick. That's because the chemical that they use is carcenogenic. I was shocked when I read the can..we were coating our cams for an exercise a couple of years back. Your supposed to use full protective clothing, like mask, gloves, goggles etc when you use it and we had broomsticks and were stirring the cams in this stuff in a 44 gal barrel. Needless to say the company spent the next couple of days washing cams over and over to make sure the crap was no longer in them. Ballistix *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:25:34 +0200 (MET DST) From: Bjorn Nilsson Subject: Re: infra red sights Well i still say the best way to defeat IR or other heat sensitive sensors is saturation bombardment with napalm or other "hot" ordonance... ;-) Nukes work to if you've got the balls/stomach for it! a not entirely serious /Bjorn *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:13:52 -0500 From: "Kevin O'Dell" Subject: RE: infra red sights LOL Yeah!!! And if you catch yourself on fire, that should through off the IR users. Hehehe Thanks Kevin - -----Original Message----- From: Bjorn Nilsson [SMTP:f96bni@student.tdb.uu.se] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 4:26 AM To: twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: infra red sights Well i still say the best way to defeat IR or other heat sensitive sensors is saturation bombardment with napalm or other "hot" ordonance... ;-) Nukes work to if you've got the balls/stomach for it! a not entirely serious /Bjorn *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:03:35 -0500 From: "Walter Rebsch" Subject: insect repellant (was RE: IR Inhibitors :was infra red sights) > > > On a related topic the Aussies in Timor had their uniforms treated with > > insect repellant. A lot of the soldiers reacted to it and came out in a > > rash and ugly itchy spots (kinda defeated the purpose, you could almost > > picture an Aussie troopie laughing manically and screaming > "well at least > > the bugs didn't get me, aha ahha aha aha.."). Quite a few soldiers also > got > > seriously sick. > > That's because the chemical that they use is carcenogenic. I was shocked > when > I read the can..we were coating our cams for an exercise a couple of years > back. > Your supposed to use full protective clothing, like mask, gloves, goggles > etc when > you use it and we had broomsticks and were stirring the cams in this stuff > in a > 44 gal barrel. > While in JRTC in Arkansas we were issued some insect repellant that contained DDT. Worked awesome! The ticks in Ft. Chaffee get to the diameter of a pencil and swarm like fire ants, but this stuff kicked their butts instantly. Of course, I probably have 15 different forms of cancer now, but at least the ticks are dead! :) The directions said to spray it on your clothes, then let them 'air out' for 2 hours, then you could wear them. You were supposed to avoid getting the stuff on you. (Duh) Our supply sergeant said we could get the stuff because the Army was exempt from the EPA ban on DDT. I don't know if that was true or not, but the spray can definately said it had DDT in it. This was back in 1990 so maybe it's changed by now. I bet the tree huggers would be pissed if they knew we were still using DDT in 1990, but oh well, I'm still irritated at them for having half of Ft. Bragg declared 'off limits' because of the stupid red-cockheaded friggen woodpecker ... Walter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:10:43 GMT From: "Charles York" Subject: Re: insect repellant (was RE: IR Inhibitors :was infra red sights) "The highest-ranking creature at Ft. Bragg: the red-cockaded woodpecker" gotta love those tree huggers, eh? >From: "Walter Rebsch" >Reply-To: twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com >To: >Subject: insect repellant (was RE: IR Inhibitors :was infra red sights) >Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:03:35 -0500 > I'm still irritated at them for having half of Ft. Bragg declared 'off limits'because of the stupid red-cockheaded friggen woodpecker ... > >Walter > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:10:45 -0500 From: "Walter Rebsch" Subject: OT: rant on woodpeckers Yeah, I mis-spelled it on purpose. I like my spelling better :) Since I was in the S-2 section of a Bn Hq, we were in charge of distributing maps. Well, DMA (Defense Mapping Agency) had to produce a special 'Woodpecker Overlay Map' for Ft. Bragg. Actually it was 3 map sheets, with big sections of red crossing out various sections of the base. Probably no one knows how much producing that special map series cost ... Anytime they spotted a woodpecker nest, they would tie a red ribbon around the tree and all the surrounding trees to declare it 'off limits' until it could be updated to the map. Of course, it was very helpful to have those ribbons around if you were drunk on Friday night and went woodpecker hunting for some payback ... not that I know anything about that, I'm just speculating of course ... Back in '91, the Army spent 20 Million dollars building a state-of-the-art rifle firing range. It had computer controlled pop-up targets, pop-up targets on hidden tracks that moved, etc... They just finished building it, moved away all the heavy construction equipment, and then they had an infantry platoon test the range. So inspite of all the bull dozers and rifle firings, a pair of woodpeckers were apparently so distraught over the lack of suitable habitat that they set up a nest on a tree in the middle of the range. They noticed the nest at the end of the live fire testing. So they had to close the range, and no one ever got to use it again (up until I left anyway). I'm sure that was the best course of action. If a couple more soldiers from the 82nd die during a battle bacause there marksmanship wasn't up to par, well at least those precious woodpeckers can have their peace and quiet on those lovely North Carolina mornings ... And never mind the 20 million dollars. I'm sure the woodpeckers appreciate the nicely landscaped terrain around their tree ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles York > > "The highest-ranking creature at Ft. Bragg: the red-cockaded woodpecker" > gotta love those tree huggers, eh? > > > >From: "Walter Rebsch" > > > > I'm still irritated at them for having half of Ft. Bragg declared 'off > limits'because of the stupid red-cockheaded friggen woodpecker ... > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:42:44 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: insect repellant (was RE: IR Inhibitors :was infra red sights) At 01:10 PM 5/12/00 GMT, Charles York wrote: >"The highest-ranking creature at Ft. Bragg: the red-cockaded woodpecker" >gotta love those tree huggers, eh? > Maybe the people of the United States believe that military efficacy isn't an absolute value to which all other values (like woodpeckers) have to be sacrificed? It's always tough when you're the one making the sacrifice, but on the other hand the person making the sacrifice probably isn't the best judge or whether it's fair or not. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:47:37 PDT From: "Stephen Dragoo" Subject: Testing Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:44:05 +0200 From: "Niklas" Subject: RE: Testing Message recived... loud and clear... :o) /Niklas - -------------- E-mail: nixxon@webname.com Web-site: http://home.swipnet.se/nixxon ICQ: 235699 - -------------- - errare human est- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com [mailto:owner-twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Dragoo Sent: den 14 juni 2000 17:48 To: twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Testing Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:43:27 PDT From: "Stephen Dragoo" Subject: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) > >Message recived... >loud and clear... :o) That's a relief to know the list is still here. But where is everybody? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:50:32 -0500 From: "Kevin O'Dell" Subject: RE: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) Still here Just real quiet :oP - -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Dragoo [SMTP:stephenpdragoo@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 12:43 PM To: twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) > >Message recived... >loud and clear... :o) That's a relief to know the list is still here. But where is everybody? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:07:43 -0700 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: OT: rant on woodpeckers Walter Rebsch wrote: > Yeah, I mis-spelled it on purpose. I like my spelling better :) > > Since I was in the S-2 section of a Bn Hq, we were in charge of distributing > maps. Well, DMA (Defense Mapping Agency) had to produce a special > 'Woodpecker Overlay Map' for Ft. Bragg. Actually it was 3 map sheets, with > big sections of red crossing out various sections of the base. Probably no > one knows how much producing that special map series cost ... > > Anytime they spotted a woodpecker nest, they would tie a red ribbon around > the tree and all the surrounding trees to declare it 'off limits' until it > could be updated to the map. Of course, it was very helpful to have those > ribbons around if you were drunk on Friday night and went woodpecker hunting > for some payback ... not that I know anything about that, I'm just > speculating of course ... > > Back in '91, the Army spent 20 Million dollars building a state-of-the-art > rifle firing range. It had computer controlled pop-up targets, pop-up > targets on hidden tracks that moved, etc... They just finished building it, > moved away all the heavy construction equipment, and then they had an > infantry platoon test the range. So inspite of all the bull dozers and > rifle firings, a pair of woodpeckers were apparently so distraught over the > lack of suitable habitat that they set up a nest on a tree in the middle of > the range. They noticed the nest at the end of the live fire testing. So > they had to close the range, and no one ever got to use it again (up until I > left anyway). > > I'm sure that was the best course of action. If a couple more soldiers from > the 82nd die during a battle bacause there marksmanship wasn't up to par, > well at least those precious woodpeckers can have their peace and quiet on > those lovely North Carolina mornings ... > > And never mind the 20 million dollars. I'm sure the woodpeckers appreciate > the nicely landscaped terrain around their tree ... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Charles York > > > > "The highest-ranking creature at Ft. Bragg: the red-cockaded woodpecker" > > gotta love those tree huggers, eh? > > > > > > >From: "Walter Rebsch" > > > > > > > I'm still irritated at them for having half of Ft. Bragg declared 'off > > limits'because of the stupid red-cockheaded friggen woodpecker ... > > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. pfft. has no one heard of cats? i mean if SOMEONE accidentally happened to smear meat paste on the tree and a cat just HAPPENED to climb the tree and eat the woodpeckers-- well now no one could be to blame except for that one unidentified hooligan! - -- Peter Vieth | fitek@ix.netcom.com | http://sanitarium.scizzors.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:13:22 -0600 From: Rogue09@Sprynet.com Subject: Re: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) Stephen Dragoo wrote: > > > >Message recived... > >loud and clear... :o) > > That's a relief to know the list is still here. > > But where is everybody? Working, playing, sleeping... more or less in that order... :-) T.R. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:10:21 -0500 From: "Walter Rebsch" Subject: RE: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) > > > >Message recived... > >loud and clear... :o) > > That's a relief to know the list is still here. > > But where is everybody? Our game was EverQuested to death, as the GM and 1 player turned traitor to in-person role playing to embrace it's apparent silicon successor... Walter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:22:54 EDT From: CMarkChester@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) Well I'm here!! But is anyone else?? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------------- If all the Gnus from London Zoo, disapeared forever. They'd have to say "That's the end of the Gnus and now it's time for the weather" (Unknown Author) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------------- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:30:44 -0500 From: "Walter Rebsch" Subject: RE: OT: rant on woodpeckers > > pfft. has no one heard of cats? i mean if SOMEONE accidentally > happened to smear > meat paste on the tree and a cat just HAPPENED to climb the tree > and eat the > woodpeckers-- well now no one could be to blame except for that > one unidentified > hooligan! > > > -- > Peter Vieth | fitek@ix.netcom.com | http://sanitarium.scizzors.net > So would that count as biological warfare? :) It's a self-mobile reproducing destructive organism that can fit in a suitcase. Then they could come after you for using a weapon of mass destruction on poor innocent woodpeckers. The FBI would then storm your house and shoot everyone in sight for daring to upset the natural order of things. Besides can you really imagine a bunch of testosterone soaked knuckle-heads from the 82nd coming up with an idea that didn't involve them using guns on something? Ha! They probably wouldn't even consider using birdshot, instead prefering OO Buckshot so that the bird would be completely obliterated if hit ... :) Walter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:24:14 -0400 From: "Chuck Mandus" Subject: Re: Testing Receiving this mailing list at "40 decibels over S-9," loud and clear. A little ham radio lingo there. B-) Chuck DE KA3WRW - --- "Truly those of us with brain cells are an oppressed minority..." - -- Jason Fox said after the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles had been cancelled. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:53:48 -0700 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) Walter Rebsch wrote: > > > > > >Message recived... > > >loud and clear... :o) > > > > That's a relief to know the list is still here. > > > > But where is everybody? > > Our game was EverQuested to death, as the GM and 1 player turned traitor to > in-person role playing to embrace it's apparent silicon successor... > > Walter More evidence for my assertion: EverQuest is evil. - -- Peter Vieth | fitek@ix.netcom.com | http://sanitarium.scizzors.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:00:52 EDT From: CMarkChester@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) One question!! What is EverQuest??? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------------- If all the Gnus from London Zoo, disapeared forever. They'd have to say "That's the end of the Gnus and now it's time for the weather" (Unknown Author) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------------- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:12:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Wiberg Subject: Re: Hello? Is anyone out there? (was RE: Testing) An evil online game which wants your soul. A better UO more or less....graphically stimulating, but still it suffers from the people that play it :) On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 CMarkChester@aol.com wrote: > One question!! > > What is EverQuest??? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------- > If all the Gnus from London Zoo, disapeared forever. > They'd have to say "That's the end of the Gnus and now it's time > for the weather" (Unknown Author) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------- > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:49:45 -0500 From: "Walter Rebsch" Subject: OT: EverQuest > One question!! > > What is EverQuest??? EverQuest (aka EverCrack): A highly addictive first person (Quake style interface) role-playing game for the PC. It was created by a group of guys who used to play Dungeons and Dragons and it tries to emulate the 'feel' of D&D. There are 2 key characteristics about it that are important to understand: 1) The game world is HUGE. Bigger than any other game ever made to my knowledge. It doesn't just have levels, it has CONTINENTS! You gotta see the game to understand that you could play it for months, night and day, and still only see a small portion of the game world. There are a whole pile of races and character classes, and they just came out with a new continent expansion pack (for a total of 3 main continents). 2) There are other people (actual live humans) in the same world you are. Typically there are about 2000 people on a server at a time. Each server is an 'existence' of the game world. There are about 25-30 servers, and they keep having to add new ones. Despite being a 2000+ multiplayer game, most areas in the game are not very crowded. This should give you a clue to the actual magnitude of the game. At any given moment you can assume that about 50,000 people around the world are no longer among us. There are enough people online to actually develop market forces on the costs of selling items between players. People sell characters on eBay for LOTS of money, hundreds even thousands of dollars. A couple dangers: 1) The $40 game comes with 1 month free to addict you. Thereafter it costs money each month. I forget how much, but its something like $10/month. 2) The game is highly addictive. People seem to spend their every waking moment logged in. Most guys who are online are either single or going to be that way soon. I call it EverCrack because it is like crack cocaine. Once you use that 1 free month, they got you. You're going to be paying them every month from then on. My brother is gone. There is still a body which walks around and goes to his job, but his soul has been consumed by EverCrack. Sony, Lucas Arts and the company that makes EverCrack (something that starts with a V, I can't remember) are in the process of coming out with a new EverQuest like game. Except it is going to recreate the Star Wars universe. Any guess what the favorite character class will be? Probably 50% sith, 40% jedi, 9% bounty hunter, 1% everything else. I am wondering if I will be able to resist the temptation of the dark side once it comes out next year. Hopefully they will make it really stupid, so I won't even be tempted. Walter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:50:18 -0500 From: "Kevin O'Dell" Subject: RE: EverQuest Where do you buy this at? I don't think I have ever seen it. - -----Original Message----- From: Walter Rebsch [SMTP:walter@houston.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 3:50 PM To: twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: OT: EverQuest > One question!! > > What is EverQuest??? EverQuest (aka EverCrack): A highly addictive first person (Quake style interface) role-playing game for the PC. It was created by a group of guys who used to play Dungeons and Dragons and it tries to emulate the 'feel' of D&D. There are 2 key characteristics about it that are important to understand: 1) The game world is HUGE. Bigger than any other game ever made to my knowledge. It doesn't just have levels, it has CONTINENTS! You gotta see the game to understand that you could play it for months, night and day, and still only see a small portion of the game world. There are a whole pile of races and character classes, and they just came out with a new continent expansion pack (for a total of 3 main continents). 2) There are other people (actual live humans) in the same world you are. Typically there are about 2000 people on a server at a time. Each server is an 'existence' of the game world. There are about 25-30 servers, and they keep having to add new ones. Despite being a 2000+ multiplayer game, most areas in the game are not very crowded. This should give you a clue to the actual magnitude of the game. At any given moment you can assume that about 50,000 people around the world are no longer among us. There are enough people online to actually develop market forces on the costs of selling items between players. People sell characters on eBay for LOTS of money, hundreds even thousands of dollars. A couple dangers: 1) The $40 game comes with 1 month free to addict you. Thereafter it costs money each month. I forget how much, but its something like $10/month. 2) The game is highly addictive. People seem to spend their every waking moment logged in. Most guys who are online are either single or going to be that way soon. I call it EverCrack because it is like crack cocaine. Once you use that 1 free month, they got you. You're going to be paying them every month from then on. My brother is gone. There is still a body which walks around and goes to his job, but his soul has been consumed by EverCrack. Sony, Lucas Arts and the company that makes EverCrack (something that starts with a V, I can't remember) are in the process of coming out with a new EverQuest like game. Except it is going to recreate the Star Wars universe. Any guess what the favorite character class will be? Probably 50% sith, 40% jedi, 9% bounty hunter, 1% everything else. I am wondering if I will be able to resist the temptation of the dark side once it comes out next year. Hopefully they will make it really stupid, so I won't even be tempted. Walter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #144 *************************************