twilight2000-digest Thursday, March 16 2000 Volume 1999 : Number 139 The following topics are covered in this digest: RE: v2 or v2.2 SRP Re: RE: RE: v2 or v2.2 SRP Fw: Bangkok, Cesspool of the Orient Re: Fw: Bangkok, Cesspool of the Orient Re: Bangkok, Cesspool of the Orient RE: Re: Fw: Bangkok, Cesspool of the Orient Re: TOE: Russia (A QUERY!!) Re: Great Britain Re: Great Britain Merc 2000 Re: Great Britain SV: Alt.Dam.Calc Re: Merc 2000 Re: TOE: US Army (revised) and USMC Re: Great Britain MPs RE: Great Britain M16A2/M4 RE: M16A2/M4 RE: M16A2/M4 Re: M16A2/M4 Re: Great Britain Re: Great Britain MPs Re: Great Britain Re: M16A2/M4 Re: M16A2/M4 RE: M16A2/M4 Re: M16A2/M4 Re: Great Britain Re: Great Britain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:09:30 PST From: "Brandon Cope" Subject: RE: v2 or v2.2 SRP >From: "Gray, Raymond" > >What is the difference between v2 or v2.2. I have the 'yellow book' as >well >as 1st edition, but am not sure which version the yellow book is. The primary differences are that: (1) Skill rolls are made with 1d20 rather than 1d10. (2) You add your skill level to the controlling attribute to determine your 'asset', which is what you roll against. (3) The Task Difficulties were (slightly?) modified. A generous and sadistic GM, Brandon Cope ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:17:56 PST From: "Brandon Cope" Subject: Re: >From: "Carl Roger Nilsen" > >I am in the process of converting several firearms which were not covered >in the T2k books (mostly because they're relatively new - the weapons). >What are the dimensions, in millimeters, of the .50 pistol bullet used by >the Desert Eagle (.50 Action Express?)? >(Dimension examples; 9x19mm, 5.56x45mm, 7.62x64mm, 12.7x99mm, 20x139mm,...) Some of the weapons you may be working on may have been covered in various issues of Challenge magazine in the T2K hardware section that was in most issues. The .50 cal seems very familiar. Let me dig through my magazines tonight and I'll get back to you. A generous and sadistic GM, Brandon Cope ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:29:30 -0600 From: "Kevin O'Dell" Subject: RE: What is Challenge Magazine? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:49:18 -0500 From: "Garcia, Abel" Subject: RE: v2 or v2.2 SRP - -----Original Message----- >From: "Gray, Raymond" >What is the difference between v2 or v2.2. I have the 'yellow book' as >well as 1st edition, but am not sure which version the yellow book is. From: Brandon Cope The primary differences are that: (1) Skill rolls are made with 1d20 rather than 1d10. (2) You add your skill level to the controlling attribute to determine your 'asset', which is what you roll against. (3) The Task Difficulties were (slightly?) modified. Ray, With the above changes T2.2K became fully compatible to Traveller: New Era (TNE) and all of TNE's supplements. Abel *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:52:19 -0800 From: "Corey Wells" Subject: Fw: Bangkok, Cesspool of the Orient This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01BF8E64.2757C300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know what the original retail price of this sourcebook (GDW = 2006) was? Thanks =20 Cor - ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01BF8E64.2757C300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
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Thanks Cor *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:15:44 -0800 From: "Jesse LaBranche" Subject: Re: Bangkok, Cesspool of the Orient Does anyone know what the original retail price of this sourcebook (GDW 2006) was? Thanks Cor $12.00 Jesse. vanquer@email.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:17:16 PST From: "Brandon Cope" Subject: RE: >From: "Kevin O'Dell" > >What is Challenge Magazine? This was a magazine put out by GDW from 1984 (or 87?) until they wend out of buisness in 1995 (94?). It was dedicated to games such as Traveller (whatever the current version was), T2K, Dark Conspiracy (after it came out), BattleTech, Call of Cthulhu, etc. A generous and sadistic GM, Brandon Cope ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:27:41 -0800 From: "Corey Wells" Subject: Re: Fw: Bangkok, Cesspool of the Orient > $12 > Thank you, Rob! Cor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:45:38 EST From: CMarkChester@aol.com Subject: Re: TOE: Russia (A QUERY!!) I was just wondering, when I though that someone here could help. In the Soviet Vehicle Guide it includes a reference to Machine Gun Artillery Regiment but gives no actual guide as to what makes up a Machine Gun Artillery Regiment. So does anyone know what a Machine Gun Artillery Regiment is and how it is made up? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ----------------------------- "I can't go in there. I have a problem with confined spaces. Theres a medical name for it!" "Yes it's called cowardice" (Villa talking to Jenna - Blake's 7) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ----------------------------- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:11:48 -0000 From: "Roger Stenning" Subject: Re: Great Britain Brandon wrote a rather useful part Orbat (Order Of Battle), as we call it in the UK. Here's an addition. Royal Military Police. One or two companies are attached to each Division. See NATO vehicle guide, p.102 Royal Military Police Company. MP Fire Team - four MPs with one Land Rover / trailer combination, and one Harley-Davidson 500cc off-road motorbike. MP Section - Two MP Fire teams. MP Platoon - three or four Sections. 3 MP Platoons, each with 24 men and women, 6 Land Rovers and trailers, 6 Motor Bikes. 1 MP HQ Platoon, with 32 men and women As standard MP Platoon, but with the addition of an HQ section, with: 2 Four-ton Bedford TM trucks, 9 Land Rovers and trailers, 6 Motor Bikes. Taskings in Wartime: To establish the Military Route System, by planning, reconnaissance, establish traffic signing, organisation of traffic control, convoy monitoring, and patrolling of the MRS (normally by both Land Rover and Motor Bike). To establish regular Provost Information Posts (otherwise known as 'Traffic Posts', or 'TPs') in theatre, the establishment of Straggler and Refugee control posts (normally co-located with TPs), a reporting system for NBC warfare. Normally, an MP company will be assigned one military route (of perhaps 100-200 miles in length), or a landing facility (such as an English Channel Port) to maintain. Best regards, Roger Stenning Webmaster, the Impossible Scenarios Group www.the-isg.co.uk *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:07:23 PST From: "Brandon Cope" Subject: Re: Great Britain >From: "Roger Stenning" > >Brandon wrote a rather useful part Orbat (Order Of Battle), as we call it >in >the UK. My source (a computer game) didn't give the size of an HQ section for the various infantry companies (just several irregular sized platoons). For most other nations, there was one platoon with one extra squad, which I took to be an approximation of the HQ section. Any idea on how many men should be in the British HQ sections (infantry company and mechanized infantry company)? I assume 8-16 men (probably drawn from those two 32-man platoons). > >Here's an addition. Thanks! A generous and sadistic GM, Brandon Cope ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:21:00 +1300 From: "Gray, Raymond" Subject: Merc 2000 I went to a site that refers to the Merc 2000 gazeteer and the Merc 2000 rules supplement as two seperate publications. Is this true? I have the gazeteer and am wondering if I am missing out on something. Is there another Merc 2000 publication besides the gazeteer? Cheers Ray *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:33:49 +1100 From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" Subject: Re: Great Britain >Harley-Davidson 500cc off-road motorbike. >Roger Stenning A what? Do the makers of those chrome tractors make dirt bikes now? I shudder to think, do they require a lo-loader to get them to battle area? Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:38:27 +0100 From: "Carl Roger Nilsen" Subject: SV: Alt.Dam.Calc >Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:04:00 -0500 >From: "Garcia, Abel" >Subject: Alt.Dam.Calc > >Carl, >Sorry I don't have an answer to your post. >I only just know got to look at your Alternative Damage Calculation table: > >die|+1|+10 >===+==+=== >2 |3 |12 >4 |6 |24 >6 |9 |36 >8 |12|48 >10 |15|60 > >Do I understand this small sample from your table: If, for example, my >TNE/T2.2K weapon does 4D damage then it's FF&S calculated damage range is 6 >ot 24 pts? (Per burst?) Again if I am understanding your table, you have >tied in the amount of damage to the degree of success of the "to-hit" roll. >(For eg. on rolling one (+1) above your "to-hit" value, you automatically >assess 6pts of damage, and if the expert "PC" rolled ten or more above their >"to-hit" value then the amount of damage assessed would be 24 pts? (Again >per burst?) This looks interesting. This table was written with the D20 task system in mind (I have only v2.2 - and Traveller:TNE). Succeeding exactly results in the lowest possible damage die result. Succeeding by 10 results in the highest possible damage. All damage results in between are calculated by taking the highest damage die number divided by 10 (rounded up), multiplied by the margin of success and added to the minimum damage number. Example 4D6: (Not fractions) Margin of Success/Damage points; 0/4; 1/6; 2/8; 3/10; 4/12; 5/14; 6/16; 7/18; 8/20; 9/22; 10/24. Above MoS of 10, damage doubles for each +5 MoS increment; 11/29; 12/34; 13/39; 14/44; 15/48; and getting even worse; 16/58; 17/68; 18/77; 19/87; 20/96. So how does one get a MoS of 20? Well, here's how: Average Tasks have a "to-hit" number of twice the asset value. In my system, if someone has a Rifle asset of 16, an average task gets a to-hit number of 32 (of course, 17-20 rolled is still a failure). For the aggressor to receive a MoS of 20 he now has to roll 12 or less (60% chance). That means he has about 55% chance of delivering more than 100 points of damage with his H&K PSG-1! Then there are those easy tasks now and then (Asset*4), meaning it is quite possible to kill someone with a pistol without having to tweak the hit points system! For an even deadlier variety (or when dealing with automatic fire or Formidable/Impossible tasks), you can put the maximum damage die result to a MOS of 5. Back to the 4D6 example; 0/4; 1/8; 2/12; 3/16; 4/20; 5/24; then; 6/29; 7/34; 8/39; 9/44; 10/48, and so on, ad infinitus mortem. Now, what I was talking about earlier; detailing your weapons damage further (for this you must have the muzzle energy in joules for the weapon). Take the square root of the weapon's muzzle energy; divide this result by 15 to find minimum damage die value, and divide the square root of the muzzle energy by 2.5 to find the maximum die damage value. Let us take the Desert Eagle muzzle energy values Ballistix provided: .357 Magnum IMI Desert Eagle (725J): sqrt of 725, divided by15 equals 2, and divided by 2.5 equals 11. 0/2; 1/3; 2/4; 3/5; 4/6; 5/7; 6/8; 7/9; 8/10; 9/11; 10/11; 11/14; 12/16; 13/18; 14/20; 15/22; 20/44, or 0/2; 1/4; 2/6; 3/8; 4/10; 5/11; 6/14; 7/16; 8/18; 9/20; 10/22, 15/44, etc. ..44 Magnum Desert Eagle (1530J): sqrt of 1590, divided by 15 equals 3, and divided by 2.5 equals 16. 0/3; 1/5; 2/6; 3/7; 4/9; 5/10; 6/11; 7/13; 8/14; 9/15; 10/16; 11/20; 12/23; 13/26; 14/29; 15/32; 20/64, or 0/3; 1/6; 2/9; 3/11; 4/14; 5/16; 6/20; 7/23; 8/26; 9/29; 10/32; 15/64, etc. A blood loss rule which I use frequently in my games let's the wounded party lose 1 hit point per damage die of bullet per minute per wound. If you've been hit by 4 .223 bullets (5.56x45mm) you will lose 4*3 hit points per minute; that is 1 hit point every 5 seconds. Vile GMs out there may want to increase the blood loss frequency or magnitude even further. Oh, not to forget the .22LR!Damage:-1; 0/1; 1/1; 2/1; 3/2; 4/2; 5/3; 6/3; 7/4; 8/4; 9/5; 10/5; 15/10; 20/20; alternatively; 0/1; 1/1; 2/2; 3/3; 4/4; 5/5; 10/10; 15/20, etc. There, let those snipers do some _real_ damage to your PCs! I guess your players will hate me now... }:)> Hope this clarifies any questions regarding my initial post. It may look complicated, but it is not hard to memorize, actually. Anyway; soon to be delivered to your mailbox: *A .22LR six-barrelled chain-fed machinegun! *The SMG beast: A .50AE totally unsilenced submachinegun! *The new experimental .50BMG sniper rifle with selective fire (three-round bursts)! *The new and improved 20x139mm sniper cannon! *An extensive list of close combat weapons; both edged and blunt! > >LMK, >Abel Carl Roger Nilsen "Never overlook something that seems to be simple" Weapons designer in the Primitive Chemically-Propelled Weapons Sub-Committee of the Famille Spofulam's High Energy Division; main designer in the Shoujahatsumetsu Project Setting Orange, day 1 of Discord, YOLD: 3166 (tabby) 185:00:01 (1) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:44:58 PST From: "Brandon Cope" Subject: Re: Merc 2000 >From: "Gray, Raymond" > >I went to a site that refers to the Merc 2000 gazeteer and the Merc 2000 >rules supplement as two seperate publications. Is this true? I have the >gazeteer and am wondering if I am missing out on something. Is there >another Merc 2000 publication besides the gazeteer? Yes -- there is the Merc 2000 "rules" book (really just a supplement for T2K). It has several new vehicles, new price lists, a few new rules, a mini-gazetter and several scenarios. A generous and sadistic GM, Brandon Cope ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:20:26 EST From: OrrinLadd@aol.com Subject: Re: TOE: US Army (revised) and USMC Got this USMC TOE from the Command Decision list. It was originally two emails. The first lists the contents of a present day USMC rifle company + possible attachments. The second part lists the battalion components. Assume 3 rifle companies to a battalion. The author is a US Marine captain. Enjoy! USMC Rifle Co (with "normal" reinforcements) Co Commander (Captain armed with M9 pistol) Executive Officer (1stLt armed with M9 pistol) 1st Sgt (1stSgt is both rank and billet, M9 pistol) Co Gunnery Sgt (GySgt; M9 pistol) Supply NCO (Cpl; M16 Co Clerk/Runner (LCpl; M16) Radio Telephone Operator RTO (Cpl: M16, radio) Senior Company Corpsman - - Co GySgt has a HMMWV with 3/4 ton trailer. Normal Attachments Fire Support Team Artillery FO (Artillery Lt; M9, GPS, Laser Range finder/Compass) Arty Scout (radio, M16) Arty RTO (PRC-119, Digital data transmission capable radio) Forward Air Controler (Aviation Captain, M-9) FAC RTO, (aviation combatible radio) Mortar FO (Cpl-Sgt from Bn's 81mm Mortar Plt; M16, radio) * When conducting amphibious operations, a Naval Gunfire Liasion Team might be attached, a Bn Rates two teams (each with USN Lt) Weapons Plt Plt Cmdr (M-16; acts as Fire Support Team Leader in action) Plt Sgt (M16) Guide (M16) Machine Gun Section (22 Men) Section Leader 3 Machine Gun Sqd (each with a Sqd Leader, and 2 three man teams. Armed with tripod mounted 7.62mm MMG) Mortar Section (10 men) Section Leader (armed with M16, has GPS and PRC-119 radio) 3 Mortar Teams (3 Men each with 1 M224 60mm Mortar, 2 M16, 1 M9) Corpsman Assualt Section (13 Men) Section Leader (armed with M16) 3 Assualt Squads (4 men, armed with 2 SMAW, 4 M-16) 3 Rifle Platoons Platoon Commander (Lt; M16,) Platoon Sgt (SSgt, M16) Platoon Guide (Sgt, M16) Radio Operator/Runner (attached from Bn Comm Plt) 3 Rifle Squads Squad Leader (M16, PRC-119F) Corpsman (attached from Bn) 3 Fire Teams (4 men; 1 M203, 1 M249 SAW, 2 M16 (AT-4 LAW are issued as ammo, each squad will carry at least one if there is an armor threat) Night Vision Capability: one Night vision gogle per Marine. One infared laser sight per fireteam. - - Attachments: - - Engineer Squad: 11 Men: 1 LMG, 1 M203 GL, 1 SMAW, carry chainsaws, mine detector, explosives... depending on mission. Often have a HMMWV for movement. - - Javilin Team: 4 men with 2 Javilin launcer and 4 M16 (might have up to 4 of these depending on mission/threat). Usually have a HMMWV for movement. Subj: USMC BLT "real" numbers for conversion Date: 03/13/2000 7:58:57 PM Pacific Standard Time From: BJFugate@gibralter.net (BJFugate) Sender: owner-cdmailer@primenet.com Reply-to: cdmailer@primenet.com To: cdmailer@primenet.com David: Please excuse my posting the line company by itself. Here's the rest of a BLT's assets. Sorry for the awkward method of sending this. HQ Co - Forward CP: 15 Marines, 3 HMMWV, 1 Arm HMMWV, 1 HMG HMG, - Main CP: 35 Marines, 8 HMMWV, 1 Arm HMMWV, 3 HMG - Combat trains: 40 Marines, 2 Arm HMMWV, 4 HMG, 6 HMMWV w trailer, two HMMWV ambulance, - Scout Sniper Plt: 29 Marines, 6 SAW, 6 M203, 6 7.62mm sniper rifle, 4 .50 cal sniper rifle. Wpns Co HQ: 8 Marines, 3 HMMWV with one 3/4 ton trailer. Combined Anti Armor Team: 54 Marines, 8 TOW IIB, 8 Mk-19, 16 "armored" HMMWV, 8 SAW. Mortar Plt: 52 Marines, 8 81mm Mortar, 4 SAW, 10 HMMWV, 2 trailer. Javilin section: 16 Marines, 4 HMMWV, 8 Javilin Launcer Artillery Battery: 119 Marines, 6 155mm Howitzer, 6 gun trucks (w ring mounts), 8 ammo/cargo trucks w 11/2 ton trailer, 8 M2 HMG, 4 Mk-19, 3 "armored" HMMWV, 6 HMMWV, 8 MMG, Tank Plt: 4 M-1, 1 M-88 recovery vehicle. Assault Amphibian Vehicle Plt: 14 AAVP-7 Engr Plt: 48 Marines, 4 HMMWV, 2 Armored dozer, 1 SEE tractor (mobile backhoe), one front end loader, 2 dump truck, 3 SMAW, 3 MMG, 3 SAW, 3 M203, 2 line charge trailer. Light Armored Recon Plt: 4 LAV-25, 2 LAV-TOW, 1 LAV-Log, 16 dismounts, 2 SMAW, 3 SAW, 3 M203 Recon Plt: 27 Marines: 6 SAW, 6 M203, 6 M40 sniper rifle, 4 .50cal sniper rifle *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:50:43 EST From: OrrinLadd@aol.com Subject: Re: Great Britain MPs In a message dated 03/15/2000 12:11:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, roger@isgwds.enterprise-plc.com writes: << Here's an addition. Royal Military Police. One or two companies are attached to each Division. (other interesting and cool stuff snipped)>> Are Royal Military Police attached at higher levels, like Corps and Army? US corps have MP brigades at Corps level, in addition to companies at division. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:54:56 -0600 From: "Billy Ingram" Subject: RE: Great Britain > Best regards, > > Roger Stenning > Webmaster, > the Impossible Scenarios Group > www.the-isg.co.uk What is an MRS? Is like the MSRs (Main Supply Routes) in Korea? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:09:56 +1100 From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" Subject: M16A2/M4 Say I'm in Poland, 2001. I have an M16A2 and I get an M4, I like the range of the 'steen but I want the suppressive ability of the M4. Can I fit the barrel assembly of the M16A2 to the receiver etc of the M4 and have a full auto M16? Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:55:04 -0600 From: "Walter" Subject: RE: M16A2/M4 > > Say I'm in Poland, 2001. I have an M16A2 and I get an M4, I like the > range of the 'steen but I want the suppressive ability of the M4. > Can I fit the barrel assembly of the M16A2 to the receiver etc of the M4 and have a > full auto M16? > Jim > I assume you mean the US 5.56mm M4 Carbine? More than likely yes. According to this web page: http://www-acala1.ria.army.mil/lc/cs/csi/satoc.htm it has 80% parts compatability with the standard M16A2. Walter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:14:22 -0600 From: "Billy Ingram" Subject: RE: M16A2/M4 Actually, what you'd need to replace is the lower receiver (the part with the stock, pistol grip, and actual machinery of the weapon). > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com > [mailto:owner-twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Jim & > Peta Lawrie > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:10 PM > To: T2K forum; T2K Forum-A > Subject: M16A2/M4 > > > Say I'm in Poland, 2001. I have an M16A2 and I get an M4, I like the > range of the 'steen but I want the suppressive ability of the M4. > Can I fit > the barrel assembly of the M16A2 to the receiver etc of the M4 and have a > full auto M16? > Jim > > ****************************************************************** > ********* > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:19:05 +1100 From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" Subject: Re: M16A2/M4 >> Say I'm in Poland, 2001. I have an M16A2 and I get an M4, I like the >> range of the 'steen but I want the suppressive ability of the M4. >> Can I fit >> the barrel assembly of the M16A2 to the receiver etc of the M4 and have a >> full auto M16? >> Jim >Actually, what you'd need to replace is the lower receiver (the part with >the stock, pistol grip, and actual machinery of the weapon). > I've invented my own weapon, the M16A4! Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:41:45 -0000 From: "Roger Stenning" Subject: Re: Great Britain Brandon Cope wrote... > Any idea on how many men should be in > the British HQ sections (infantry company and mechanized infantry company)? > I assume 8-16 men (probably drawn from those two 32-man platoons). Pass - try one on sport? For us, the HQ section element of the HQ platoon was made up thus: OC (Major) 2i/c (second hat: Training Captain)(captain) Ops Officer (Second hat: Intel Officer)(Lt) RSM (WO1) CSM (WO2) CQMS (WO2) QMA (Cpl) Company Clerk (SSgt). You'll note that I put "OC", not "CO". In the British Army, there's a hell of a difference. The OC of a unit it the Officer Commanding, a post level command. The CO is the Commanding Officer, a position level command, not a post: It is defined as the position an officer takes when he (or she) commands a Regiment. A CO can be a Lt Col or Col. An OC can be any commissioned rank, normally between 2/Lt and Major. We also drew a few men from the other sections of HQ Platoon. The Company Signaller was a member of 3 sec, 1 Pl. Being the Armoury Storesman, as well as my normal slot, listed as i/c Delta Fire Team, Number 2 section, One Platoon, I found that I was the OCs Driver, more often than not. OC's driver, btw, is a position with up sides and down sides: Up sides: * Good(ish) food, not too much of the ration pack stuff. * You get to sleep longer, as the OC doesn't want his driver too tired. * Your periods 'On Stag' tend to be in the daytime. Downsides: * You have to be seen to be in tip-top order. One damn button, crease, or boot polishing out of place, the RSM'll see it, and you're f*cked. * You have to be on time for the OC all the time, and he NEVER tells you his bloody schedule, so you HAVE to keep close to the Ops Tent, which means that you get collared to help the damn chef. Ugh. * Because you're not Doing The Job (i.e., you're stuck at HQ, not out in the field with the rest of your team), you get very bored. Unlike other cap badges, who have their own Regimental Police elements in their HQ platoons or companies, we did NOT have a separate Provost unit - we were, after all, Royal Military Police - it would've been a bit bloody silly, not to mention redundant! We also had some non-organic elements, I suppose the Yanks on the list'd call 'em; we called 'em "attached elements", comprising a REME (Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, the Army's in-house automobile club, really!) fitter team (a Cpl and Cfn (Craftsman)), and a team from the RLC (Royal Logistics Corps), comprising a Chef (SSgt or Sgt) and Cook (L/Cpl or Pte). we also had a couple of clerks from the AGC (Adjutant General's Corps), comprising a Pay Sgt and an Admin Cpl. I know of only one time that we had additional attached elements, and that was for a truly massive exercise in the UK, back in 1995. For that, we formed a composite reinforced MP Company, from elements of two companies of RMP, with a full fire team of REME and RLC attached elements (The AGC elements remained the same, oddly enough!). For this, we hived them off to form a support Section, and immediately attached it to HQ Platoon. RMP numbers were about a third again as much, by the way. Hope this helps! Best regards, Roger Stenning Webmaster, the Impossible Scenarios Group www.the-isg.co.uk *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:05:12 -0000 From: "Roger Stenning" Subject: Re: Great Britain MPs Orrin Ladd wrote.... > Are Royal Military Police attached at higher levels, like Corps and Army? US > corps have MP brigades at Corps level, in addition to companies at division. Yeah; though normally, all you get is an RMP command element, and it's staff, attached to the relevant command structure. Best regards, Roger Stenning Webmaster, the Impossible Scenarios Group www.the-isg.co.uk *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:16:53 -0000 From: "Roger Stenning" Subject: Re: Great Britain Billy Ingram - > What is an MRS? Is like the MSRs (Main Supply Routes) in Korea? It's the Military Route System. There are two types of supply route: MSR, and Axial. MSRs lead to and from the battlefield areas. Axials connect MSRs. - -------------------------- MSR DOG | | AXIAL DODGE | | - ------------------------- MSR CAT Hope this helps! Best regards, Roger Stenning Webmaster, the Impossible Scenarios Group www.the-isg.co.uk *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:07:57 -0700 From: Rogue09@Sprynet.com Subject: Re: M16A2/M4 > > I've invented my own weapon, the M16A4! > Jim Funny thing is their already making such a weapon, a full auto M-16 that is... it is called the M-16A4 and it's other main feature is the detachable carrying handle... Amazing no? T.R. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:44:45 PST From: "Stephen Dragoo" Subject: Re: M16A2/M4 > > > > I've invented my own weapon, the M16A4! > > Jim > >Funny thing is their already making such a weapon, a full auto M-16 that >is... >it is called the M-16A4 and it's other main feature is the detachable >carrying >handle... > >Amazing no? Um, yeah, considering that the original M16 had full auto capability. They found it used up too much ammo, so among other things they designed the A2 variant without full auto. Also, I don't think they're designing a new M16 with the full auto. Regular infantrymen don't need it as much when they have normal MG support from the SAW and M240. From what I can tell, they're making a new version of the M4 (called the M4A1) for Special Operations Forces (Green Berets, Rangers, and the transport crewmen) with full auto capability. Given that the M4 series has the exact same options available as the regular M16 (M203, night sight capability, etc.), I don't see them coming out with another automatic M16. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:23:16 -0600 From: "Walter Rebsch" Subject: RE: M16A2/M4 If you guys are interested in further info on the M16A2, M16A3, M16A4, M4, M4A1 this site has a little: http://w3.pica.army.mil/pmsa/weapons/m4fact.htm It confirms that the M4A1 is indeed full auto and talks about the distribution of the M4 in the Army. Walter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:44:53 +1100 From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" Subject: Re: M16A2/M4 >> I've invented my own weapon, the M16A4! >> Jim > >Funny thing is their already making such a weapon, a full auto M-16 that is... >it is called the M-16A4 and it's other main feature is the detachable carrying >handle... >Amazing no? >T.R. I'll sue I tell you! Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:02:39 -0800 (PST) From: graebarde Subject: Re: Great Britain RE: Harley-Davidson is a motorcycle manufacture based in Wisconsin. They have made motorcycles since about 1900. They are THE American bike, affectionately called Hogs, more for the rider than the bike I think:), not to be confused with THE HOG [hand of god/referee/game master/etc]. It's interesting to note the UK uses H-D off road bikes, while the US uses Japaneese.?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:14:00 +1100 From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" Subject: Re: Great Britain >RE: Harley-Davidson is a motorcycle manufacture based in >Wisconsin. They have made motorcycles since about 1900. >They are THE American bike, affectionately called Hogs, >more for the rider than the bike I think:), not to be >confused with THE HOG [hand of god/referee/game >master/etc]. > >It's interesting to note the UK uses H-D off road bikes, >while the US uses Japaneese.?? I'm a bit of a bike fanatic, but I never knew that John Deere/Harley Davidson made a dirt bike. The thought of a half ton, chrome and velvet motocrosser with springer forks defies the imagination. Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #139 *************************************