twilight2000-digest Tuesday, March 14 2000 Volume 1999 : Number 137 The following topics are covered in this digest: RE: Safties (Was M79 gl) RE: Safties (Was M79 gl) Re: A few questions Re: A few questions Re: Australian Info Re: M240+ Re: Australian Info Antibiotics RE: Safties (Was M79 gl) RE: Safties (Was M79 gl) Re: Topics in this list Re: Safties (Was M79 gl) Re: Topics in this list Re: M79 grenade launcher Re: Australian Info Re: Safties (Was M79 gl) FW: China vs. Taiwan (long) More conversion questions GDW's Fire, Fusion, and Steel WW3 PBEMAIL (was China v...) v2 or v2.2 SRP Re: v2 or v2.2 SRP Re: v2 or v2.2 SRP Re: v2 or v2.2 SRP here is a link to a humvee w/ treads RE: v2 or v2.2 SRP RE: v2 or v2.2 SRP Re: v2 or v2.2 SRP OT: Merc 2000 rulebook + bits STANAG mag conversion on AUG (WAS: Re: v2 or v2.2 SRP) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:01:31 -0600 From: "Billy Ingram" Subject: RE: Safties (Was M79 gl) It depends on the safety. The safety on the M-9 pistol is very quiet, whereas the safety on the AK is loud enough to wake the dead! *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:04:23 +1300 From: "Gray, Raymond" Subject: RE: Safties (Was M79 gl) Depends on the soldiers intelligence. On a Steyr you can grab the scrim from around your neck and click the saftey across with no noise whatsoever. But if you are expecting a combat situation why would your weapon be on safe. But if you are an idiot and your walk around with your weapon off safe then odds are you will eventually have a UD. Sincerely Raymond Gray Auditor Assurance KPMG Auckland Phone : 64 9 367 5800 Extn. 6841 Fax : 64 9 367 5872 Email : rjgray@kpmg.co.nz Address: 9 Princes Street P.O. Box 1584 Auckland Disclaimer: The information in this electronic mail message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this Internet electronic mail message are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. - -----Original Message----- From: Billy Ingram [mailto:bingram@satx.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2000 15:02 To: twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: RE: Safties (Was M79 gl) It depends on the safety. The safety on the M-9 pistol is very quiet, whereas the safety on the AK is loud enough to wake the dead! *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:09:14 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Coffin Subject: Re: A few questions > Your basic sequence sounds about right. If you > have, or could find the > modules, you don't have to do the 'wander the Earth' > part right after you do > the US modules. Anyhow, the 'wander the earth' part > can work find, as long > as you plan events ahead for them. Give them some > missions to work on. > Maybe give them a reason to wander, a search for > something. A rumor, or > fable city, kind of thing. > Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Kinda like the dude from "Kung Fu." They're old soldiers. Soldiering is what they do best. And so they wander around the States, fighting petty thugs and gangsters, while working with MilGov to bring central authority back to the US. Something like that, at least. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:45:03 EST From: Calibur1@aol.com Subject: Re: A few questions 1) You have the phases down about right for a global campaign. They also made a scenario for Baja Mexico and South America, I believe. I have them all, but it's been a long time since I've gone through it. Good luck, I just ended my campaign in what you would call phase 1. A global campaign is a tall order, especially for 5–6 guys. Do your players use more than one character? That would add some more firepower and expand their usefulness. If not, I would assign a squad that size to: recon, sabotage, sniper or observation post type missions. For story plots, WWII movies should be adequate enough. 2) Anything that involves the players in the story and puts them in the game is not stupid. I've had GM's that totally ignore atmosphere and playing their games is like slow torture. Unfortunately, I don't know any military lingo, but there are several servicemen on this list. 3) I don't know a foreign lingo, but there are multilingual dictionaries on CD-ROM you could purchase from Random House and American Heritage. - -Billy Bob *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:09:41 +1100 From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" Subject: Re: Australian Info >I often wondered if the USSR/Russia would target Australia since a lot of >their ICBM's are targeted towards North America via a polar route. I know >they could use SLBM's launched from a sub or maybe use bombers although in >the latter, the RAAF would be able to knock some of them down before they >make it to their targets. I really can't see the Soviets making Australia a >high priority target although I think with the Red Chinese, it could be a >different story. Any thoughts, ideas, etc? >Chuck, curious on Australia's role in WWIII Looking at the 'canon' history, China is in a death grip with Russia and doesn't have the luxury of nuking one of their major trading partners. Russia is fighting the free world and I can't see them being that a'feard of Australia to have that luxury either. India and Pakistan don't have the range, Indonesia and Malaysia aren't nuclear powers. America has bases here but they're not worth a nuke. Doesn't look good. Or does it? Why nukes? Why not 'poor man's nukes' or biological weapons? The majority of Australia's health services are in a very few cities, a fierce outbreak of some disease could devastate these cities beyond the point of recovery. Australia doesn't have a county like America's sheer amount of people to absorb a disease and still have infrastructure on the periphery to recover. It's all or nothing here. That of course asks 'Who did it, why and how?" How about a religious fundamentalist overtaking of Indonesia AND Malaysia, although I won't single out any particular religion. A new big nation, bent on restrictive practices and no longer kept in line by the US led world trading and military controls. They look around at the world sliding into decay (remember that many hard line fundamentalist countries fare badly in the Twilight war, refugees from those countries often head for Indonesia) and decide the time is ripe for a little boundary adjustment. Australia often accepts dissadents from hard line religious countries, perhaps some did something in Indo and they demanded that they be handed over for a religious trial. During an engagement between these nations, one may try and break the deadlock using bioweapons (scientists from iraq? They have little reason to love Australia) and these weapons have a habit of getting out of hand, no mattah how much you're fighting on the side of god (any god). Don't forget the US contingent at Pine Gap and in ther Northern territory. Round them up and place them under the control off the US ambassador, perhaps as light infantry using their security vehicles. Australia will still have petrol for long periods, they can use their choppers too! Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:42:43 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: M240+ At 08:08 AM 3/13/00 -0800, Jesse LaBranche wrote: >Hey JC, > > Thanks for the designation- maybe I will be able to find more >information >about it now :-) Another one of my infamous questions now... Can someone >give me a list as well as strengths/weaknesses of the various guidance >systems used on missiles/rockets/aircraft and ships? > I could really use help in the Radar/Sonar departments, but I doubt that >I >am aware of all the targetting methods as well. > You really couldn't go wrong looking at the Harpoon 4 rules--my friend the sub officer even liked the sonar rules. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:28:37 +1100 From: "Peter" Subject: Re: Australian Info - -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Mandus To: twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com Date: Tuesday, 14 March 2000 11:07 Subject: Re: Australian Info >I often wondered if the USSR/Russia would target Australia since a lot of >their ICBM's are targeted towards North America via a polar route. I know >they could use SLBM's launched from a sub or maybe use bombers although in >the latter, the RAAF would be able to knock some of them down before they >make it to their targets. I really can't see the Soviets making Australia a >high priority target although I think with the Red Chinese, it could be a >different story. Any thoughts, ideas, etc? > >Chuck, curious on Australia's role in WWIII This would depend on the Timeline being used. Nurrungar was a joint US-Australian military base 500 km north of Adelaide. Its main role was the ground station for the US satellites (with IR sensors) that detect the boost flare of Soviet ICBMs. During the 1990-91 Gulf War this was the station that detected Iraq converted Scud missile launches. This warning info is then uplinked via a satellite to the USA. Nurrungar closed a few years back, and the Pine Gap ELINT base has taken on the Nurrungar role also. In any nuclear war with the US Nurrungar/Pine Gap would be a target. If we stick with the T2k v1 timeline (writen in 1986), the US shipped Tank Breaker and Assault Breaker systems to Chinese ports (page 23 of the of the Referees Manual, 1st para of the 1996). In 1997 neutral countries (doesn't say whether in Europe, Africa, South America or Australia) are hit by strikes against oil fields and refineries. Similar entry in T2k v2 (writen 1990). T2k V2.2 (writen 1993) deletes the arms shipments to to China, as Tianimin (sp) square is mentioned. Possibly China isn't as big a friend of the West as the real 1980s. Page 241 of T2k v2 has Australia 'largely untouched by the nuclear exchange', and a short war with Indonesia as Papua New Guinea is invaded. The majority of Australia's and Indonesian aircraft and naval ships are damaged or destroyed. As I am ex-RAN (Royal Australian Navy), at first this doesn't make sense. Indonesia has a big army but the Navy and Air Force is pretty ordinary. I had an email discussion with a friend in the Uk on this a few months back. The only way we could fit this in was to have Indonesia sabotage some ships in port and destroy a number of aircraft on the ground. The Army and RAAF (which has Airfield Defence Guards, sorta like the RAF Regiment) has trained extensively for this, but the sheer scale of the Top End would make this hard. Indonesia then invades PNG and gets quite a few Army units ashore. The RAN & RAAF take out the invasion fleet and isolate the Indon. Army in PNG. A air and naval blockade of Irian & PNG stops any supplies getting through (think jungles, etc not much scope for heavy engagements). During an amphibious movement the last operationalIndon. submarine penetrates in outer RAN ASW defences and sinks some of the fleet, close in island fighting account for the majority of the rest. The RAAF can not maintain an airtight blockade of PNG (distances too much), however the ground fighting dies out. Lack of supplies account for the rest of the modern gear. Can anyone add to this, please? T2k v2.2 has the same entry. Peter G *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:27:36 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?GUY_LEMIRE_&_ASSOCI=C9S?= Subject: Antibiotics This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_Ukl/DV/fHdMxPgLy9IzUGw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable This is for the people on the anti-biotic tread . An other alternative to anti-biotics are something called phages. = They are naturaly occuring micro-organism that feed on = bacterias/viruses. The great thing about them is they evolve as viruses = do so they are always effective.=20 Western medicine is just starting to look into these little critters = but the russian have been using them for over 50 years with good results = .=20 Pat=20 - --Boundary_(ID_Ukl/DV/fHdMxPgLy9IzUGw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
 This is for the people  = on the=20 anti-biotic tread .
 
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  Western medicine is just = starting to look=20 into these little critters but the russian have been using them for over = 50=20 years with good results .
 
 
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- --Boundary_(ID_Ukl/DV/fHdMxPgLy9IzUGw)-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:32:55 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: RE: Safties (Was M79 gl) At 10:36 AM 3/14/00 +1300, Gray, Raymond wrote: >As a recon scout, we never have safties on when we are on a cbt patrol. But >as an interesting aside, the AUS force in Timor has had something like 50+ >UDs, incl some poor bastard shooting his mate in the foot. UD? Unintentional discharge, or something like that? Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:09:31 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: RE: Safties (Was M79 gl) At 03:04 PM 3/14/00 +1300, Gray, Raymond wrote: >Depends on the soldiers intelligence. On a Steyr you can grab the scrim >from around your neck and click the saftey across with no noise whatsoever. >But if you are expecting a combat situation why would your weapon be on >safe. But if you are an idiot and your walk around with your weapon off >safe then odds are you will eventually have a UD. > What's a scrim? Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:03:22 -0800 From: Snake Eyes Subject: Re: Topics in this list At 12:32 AM 3/13/2000 -0500, Billy Bob wrote: >. . . do we really care what color underwear a U.S. Navy SEAL wears? It only matters in the sense that "real" Navy SEALs actually don't wear any underwear -- and I really figured that everybody here already knew this one. :) Otherwise, point well taken. ~ Snake Eyes *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:11:33 -0800 From: "Jesse LaBranche" Subject: Re: Safties (Was M79 gl) > UD? Unintentional discharge, or something like that? > Scott Orr UD = Unauthorized Discharge. Later. Jesse. vanquer@email.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:27:16 +0200 From: "Pasi Parviainen" Subject: Re: Topics in this list >(At least there has been very little flaming, >considering the some of the topics, I have yet to see someone use hostile >pointless words) > That's true, I admit. But what makes me so frustrated is that after three or four answers to the question, the topic goes sooo off, producing unneeded noise. All I ask is that, guys/gils, please, please try to stay in point or at least change the subject to reflect new topic more frequentaly, so we with less time can dumb those off-topic messages ;) > Pasi, do you have any ideas for a T2K module? Perhaps we could use all this >knowledge to build a detailed custom scenario for you? Just get us started. :) If you would too that, thanks, but naaah, I can (hopefully) yet make my own scenarios ;) Although being lurker, I have send few questions (bear in mind, that I share thoughts with some other members on this list, so I could have sent them in their names, I don't remember exactly...) in which haven't get fully satisfied answers :( Anyway, the stuff here has been in great help (I admit), but in last few months more less and less. Now, enough of this thread, let's go in business... :) >Steve PasiP PS: I haven't yet stop reading this list :) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:34:03 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: Re: M79 grenade launcher Jim, yes the M79 does indeed have a safety. Ballistix *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:45:07 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: Re: Australian Info Ok I'll add a small bit here and there for you to think of. Fremantle is close to the naval base here in WA. It is a deep water port, however most of the larger carriers tend to drop anchor off the coast at gage roads. Australia does have one major military target of note, that being the satelite tracking station, and over the horizon radar station. > I was mainly trying to figure out if I had correctly located the major oil > refineries, ports, and industrial complexes. I figured the Soviets wouldn't be > too concerned about RAAF bases that far away, but instead concentrate on > knocking Australia's industrial potential out. However, I like some of the > RAAF/RAN targets you mentioned, particularly the B-52 sites. And I am glad to > know about the harbor at Perth (or lack thereof). It sounds like Fremantle > would have been the actual target. Perth and Fremantle are close together in reality. So MIRV would be able to target both with similar effect. > As to the Order of Battle, I imagined the 3rd Bde having disintegrated while > in transit to Darwin, but the idea of it having been nuked at Katherine would > serve the same purpose...I just wanted an excuse for some better-armed > marauders roaming around Northern Australia. Currently the Australian military has task forces based in darwin. From memory there is approx 2 Infantry Battalions, plus armour etc. I had previously posted an Order of Battle for the Australian Army, as well as airforce and navy info. I think Jim may be able to help you with getting hold of a copy of them. Ballistix *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:50:56 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: Re: Safties (Was M79 gl) As I think Jim said a UD is an unauthorised discharge. Which is a chargeable offence. Scrim is basically a cloth netting that is normally cut up and used as cam. As for the safety debate, some safety catches are not that good. The prime example being the Steyer, the safety catch is a slide type. It is possible, especially when having to do some kind of work where the weapon is slung that the safety can be moved to instant (live). A dangerous situation to be in that's for sure. Ballistix *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:19:42 -0600 From: smoore@digcom.com Subject: FW: China vs. Taiwan (long) an excellent site about this discussion http://www.redteamjournal.com/issuePapers/issue_papers.htm 1_ Voice Mail Guru Digital Communications 217-442-3800, Ext. 305 Fax 217-442-0974 D- _- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:32:12 -0600 From: "Kevin O'Dell" Subject: More conversion questions Ok Here is what I am trying to do. I am setting up a game in the year 2025. It will be a group of ten that will operate similar to delta force. I don't have the T2K rules, so I am using the Mech Warrior RPG rules. I want to convert the T2K weapons to work in this game (since the systems are pretty similar.). I have been using the FFS rules for creating some weapons, but the damage value seems a little low. In particular the Smith & Wesson model 459 semi auto pistol. If anyone is familiar with the Mech Warrior system as well as the Traveler and of course the Twilight 2000 game, please offer you any advice you might have for making these values realistic Thanks Kevin *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:51:45 EST From: DukeRoyal@aol.com Subject: GDW's Fire, Fusion, and Steel I am currently looking for a copy of the GDW version of Fire, Fusion, and Steel. I would appreciate any help the members of this list can provide me with. Thanks Chris Mc Intosh dukeroyal@aol.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:01:49 -0500 From: "Garcia, Abel" Subject: WW3 PBEMAIL (was China v...) - -----Original Message----- From: Scott David Orr To help solve this problem, economists have a concept called "purchasing power parity" (PPP): you take the total amount of money earned in the country and divide it by the number of people (this gives you a "per capita" measure), and then you figure out what that money can buy. You compare the GDP per capita in PPP terms among countries by seeing which country can buy the most. PPP is thus the most accurate way of comparing standards of living, but it's not the easiest way, and so it's not really the most common (or it didn't used to be--it's getting used more often, which is good) As you can see, measuring economies by converting their currency to the U.S. dollar at the prevailing exchange rates is problematic, and leaves you with a number whose meaning isn't very certain--but it's much easies than dealing with PPP's (to caclucate PPP's you have to go out and do all sorts of surveys about local prices and spending habits), and so it's used quite frequently. >Scott, If I understand you: PPP=GDP/population (e.g. GDP(NZ)=$65.6 billion, pop(NZ)=3.68 million: PPP(NZ)=$65,600.0 million/3.68 million; PPP(NZ)=$17,826) Are there any more adjustments to this figure? I ask because the source that I got the above NZ figures from ('99 World Almanac) also lists a "Per capita GDP: $18,500" Now, how these things relate to China's military: as I said before, even though just looking at China's per capita GDP at present exchange rates (about $800/year) doesn't tell us much, in the case of military potential, using PPP per capital ($3800/year or so) doesn't tell us much either, because military equipment isn't the sort of day-to-day good from which PPP is calculated. Because things that are in great supply are cheap and things that are scarce are expensive, buying food or hiring maids is much cheaper in China than here (though remember, China is poor, so the average person there still can't afford much in the way of either food or maids), while high-tech goods and even consumer goods are much more expensive. This is _especially_ true, BTW, of the high-tech stuff, like military equipement: Hence, China can develop some pretty high-tech stuff, by educating a lot of engineers and using short-cuts like spying and reverse engineers, but they can't actually afford to build much of it. This is probably the main reason why, for example, China only has a handful of ICBM's--they have the technology, but it's horrendously expensive to build the things. >I think that I can account for this using Traveller's "Tech-Levels" rules. Does that help at all? Yes I think I understand a bit more than before. Abel *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:29:51 -0800 From: "Corey Wells" Subject: v2 or v2.2 SRP This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BF8DA0.3B6323E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anybody know offhand (or have their copy handy) the Retail Price = for the v2 or v2.2 T2K books, the main book. I believe it's listed on = the back cover in the bar-code box. Thanks Cor - ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BF8DA0.3B6323E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Does anybody know offhand (or have their copy = handy) the=20 Retail Price for the v2 or v2.2 T2K books, the main book.  I = believe it's=20 listed on the back cover in the bar-code box.
 
Thanks
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BF8DA0.3B6323E0-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:21:21 -0600 From: "Tim Moerke" Subject: Re: v2 or v2.2 SRP This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF8DB8.307C13C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anybody know offhand (or have their copy handy) the Retail Price = for the v2 or v2.2 T2K books, the main book. I believe it's listed on = the back cover in the bar-code box. Yep. T2K v2.2 is $25.00, according to the back of the book. Tim - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF8DB8.307C13C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anybody know offhand (or have their copy = handy) the=20 Retail Price for the v2 or v2.2 T2K books, the main book.  I = believe it's=20 listed on the back cover in the bar-code box.
 
Yep.  T2K v2.2 is $25.00, = according to the=20 back of the book.
 
Tim
- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF8DB8.307C13C0-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:44:41 -0800 From: "Corey Wells" Subject: Re: v2 or v2.2 SRP This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF8DAA.AF3E0FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep. T2K v2.2 is $25.00, according to the back of the book. Tim Thanks, Tim. That's what I thought. A shop is offering it on Ebay, = with the opening bid at full retail price. Since it should be in new = condition, and it's out of print, I suppose that's okay, but I don't = think I'm going to bid. I have v2. Does anyone know if Traveler:TNE is = v2 or v2.2? Cor - ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF8DAA.AF3E0FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
Yep.  T2K v2.2 is $25.00, = according to the=20 back of the book.
 
Tim
 
 
Thanks, Tim.  That's what I = thought.  A shop=20 is offering it on Ebay, with the opening bid at full retail = price. =20 Since it should be in new condition, and it's out of print, I = suppose that's=20 okay, but I don't think I'm going to bid.  I have v2.  = Does anyone=20 know if Traveler:TNE is v2 or v2.2?
 
Cor
- ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BF8DAA.AF3E0FA0-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:38:07 -0800 From: "Jesse LaBranche" Subject: Re: v2 or v2.2 SRP Does anybody know offhand (or have their copy handy) the Retail Price for the v2 or v2.2 T2K books, the main book. I believe it's listed on the back cover in the bar-code box. Yep. T2K v2.2 is $25.00, according to the back of the book. Tim Version 2 is $33.00 Jesse. vanquer@email.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:54:37 -0600 From: "Kevin O'Dell" Subject: here is a link to a humvee w/ treads http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Mar1997/970208-M-8708Y-001.jpg *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:18:32 +1300 From: "Gray, Raymond" Subject: RE: v2 or v2.2 SRP What is the difference between v2 or v2.2. I have the 'yellow book' as well as 1st edition, but am not sure which version the yellow book is. Ray > Does anybody know offhand (or have their copy handy) the Retail Price for >the v2 or v2.2 T2K books, the main book. I believe it's listed on the back >cover in the bar-code box. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:19:37 +1300 From: "Gray, Raymond" Subject: RE: v2 or v2.2 SRP What is the STANAG magazine modification on the Steyr AUG Bullpup? Ray *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:25:14 +1100 From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" Subject: Re: v2 or v2.2 SRP >What is the difference between v2 or v2.2. I have the 'yellow book' as well >as 1st edition, but am not sure which version the yellow book is. > >Ray If it doesn't say what version it is, it's version 2.0 Version 2.2 used the TNE rules (Version 2.0 was the forerunner, they're not that different) which involves, as you know, an avalanche of dice for auto fire. V2.2 also made sure that you got some more skills too, but everyone still walks away a special forces General. Jim. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:16:23 +1300 From: Andrew Tiffany Subject: OT: Merc 2000 rulebook + bits Hi all, In a sudden rash of enthusiasm (following a pile of dead PC's), my T2K wound up abruptly last night, and the players all decided they wanted to do a Merc campaign. Now, I have read the rulebook once, but don't own it (yet). I can 'wing it', but would like to do it more correctly, so: 1) Does anyone have/know of a Merc 2000 rulebook for sale? I am very keen to get one. I already know about the one currently on eBay. 2) In the meantime, can someone give me the game stats on a generic helicopter (eg, UH-1 'Huey'). Cheers Andrew Tiffany *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:53:15 -0000 From: "Roger Stenning" Subject: STANAG mag conversion on AUG (WAS: Re: v2 or v2.2 SRP) Ray - It's a conversion, at workshop level (second or third line support; probably third line, i.e., back to the factory), that allows the AUG to accept M16 style magazines, as opposed to the OEM plastic things. HTH. Best regards, Roger Stenning Webmaster, the Impossible Scenarios Group www.the-isg.co.uk - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gray, Raymond To: Sent: 14 March 2000 21:19 Subject: RE: v2 or v2.2 SRP > What is the STANAG magazine modification on the Steyr AUG Bullpup? > > Ray > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #137 *************************************