twilight2000-digest Friday, March 3 2000 Volume 1999 : Number 111 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. RE: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) RE: vehicle conversions (rant) Re: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) RE: vehicle conversions (rant) SV: Game settings (Red Dawn) Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) Re: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. SNOOPIN' & POOPIN' (RECON BY RPG INC.) Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) Re: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) RE: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) RE: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. Re: vehicle conversions (rant) Re: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. Re: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. RE: vehicle conversions (rant) Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:03:33 EST From: CMarkChester@aol.com Subject: Re: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. Actually all this stuff about McDonald selling Hamburgers of uncertain origin reminds me of another great British Urban Legend. However this one is about what the Chinese actually cook in their Takeaways!! Apparently for a while there was a rumour going around that the Chinese restaraunts were actually selling Dog meat instead of beef (ie meat coming from Dogs, not a can of Pedigree Chum :-)) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ----------------------------- "I can't go in there. I have a problem with confined spaces. Theres a medical name for it!" "Yes it's called cowardice" (Villa talking to Jenna - Blake's 7) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ----------------------------- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:52:44 -0600 From: "Kevin O'Dell" Subject: RE: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. On Friday, March 03, 2000 3:47 PM, Ray Wiberg [SMTP:ray@cloudfactory.org] wrote: > > > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Scott David Orr wrote: > > > At 08:20 PM 3/2/00 EST, Damage169@cs.com wrote: > > >I just got to thinking about all the various places McDonald's has gotten > > >itself into nowadays (Moscow, Peking, even Iran, IIRC) and I wondered about > > >the type of "meat" they serve in their hamburgers in India. The majority of > > >the population reveres cows for some reason and get very irked if anyone > > >suggests eating them. How does McDonald's (or any other Western fast-food > > >chain) go about dealing with this? > > > > > They make local adaptation to their menus; I think I heard once that they > > have a strong vegetarian menu in India, but I'm not sure. > > > Here in Canada they serve things like pizzas and other strange stuff. I > haven't tried the pizzas, I'm not into it :) I'm sure in Hindu areas, they > have alot of chicken, and other alternatives....maybe soy, maybe something > wildly different :) > > Ray > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. Maybe like a McCat sandwich Kevin *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:11:22 EST From: CMarkChester@aol.com Subject: Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) Actually in Britiain there were two big ones!! War Games - A late 60's made for TV film. This was banned for a while by the BBC (Just in case it caused panic!!) And Threads - A 80's post nuclear drama. Far better than The Morning After, and far more horrific!! Both I believe might no longer be available!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ----------------------------- "I can't go in there. I have a problem with confined spaces. Theres a medical name for it!" "Yes it's called cowardice" (Villa talking to Jenna - Blake's 7) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ----------------------------- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:19:32 -0600 From: "Walter Rebsch" Subject: RE: vehicle conversions (rant) > Just out of curiosity, how do the determine the toughness of this > material. > Any idea? They just make them up to suit the game. Only a very vague approximation of reality (probably as intented). If you want some more realistic comparisons of real materials there is lots of good info on the web. Obviously, even the names of the futuristic materials are completely made up. The 2 most important stats you'll probably find on materials is the strength (either tensil strength or yield strength) and hardness. Strength is typically in ksi, or 'thousands of pounds per square inch' and hardness has many different scales depending on which field you get the numbers from. An interesting side note is that typical mild steel has a typical yeild strength of about 30 ksi. Higher strength steels and most stainless are about 60-90 ksi. Super expensive hardened steels can get all the way up to about 210 ksi I believe. But the ultimate molecular strength of just pure iron, if you could make it perfectly without any internal stresses, is about 2000 ksi (it's either that or 4000 ksi, I can't remember anymore, so I'm being conservative). So we still have a long way to go in materials science. Of course, on this list, you gotta wonder if they don't put too much iron in the McDonalds hamburgers... Walter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:20:57 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Wiberg Subject: Re: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. > Actually that's not quite right!! Muslims (as far as I can make out) have a > similar food standard like the Jewish Kosher! The muslim kosher is known as > Halal. Everything that a good muslim eats must be declared as Halal. (This > is a major cause of concern in UK Schools, especially in areas where there > are large number of muslims, since Schools have to provide food that is > suitable for Muslim dietary standards, as well as for everyone else.) So you > might not get too many Muslims going into a McDonalds and ordering a > Hamburger!! Well, true enough, but this also assumes you are of an orthodox sect (which I suppose many of them are). My point was that, the Hindu faith is the one that does not eat the sacred cow of Brahma. All others *can* eat beef in India. Ray *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:23:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Wiberg Subject: Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) Wasn't there a British cartoon flick as well, about a couple just after the bombs fall, who leave their shelter and try to lead "normal" lives while slowly dying of radiation? Ray On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 CMarkChester@aol.com wrote: > Actually in Britiain there were two big ones!! War Games - A late 60's made > for TV film. This was banned for a while by the BBC (Just in case it caused > panic!!) > > And Threads - A 80's post nuclear drama. Far better than The Morning After, > and far more horrific!! > > Both I believe might no longer be available!! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------- > "I can't go in there. I have a problem with confined spaces. Theres a > medical name for it!" > "Yes it's called cowardice" > (Villa talking to Jenna - Blake's 7) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------- > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:55:10 -0600 From: "Kevin O'Dell" Subject: RE: vehicle conversions (rant) On Friday, March 03, 2000 4:20 PM, Walter Rebsch [SMTP:walter@houston.rr.com] wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, how do the determine the toughness of this > > material. > > Any idea? > > They just make them up to suit the game. Only a very vague approximation of > reality (probably as intented). > > If you want some more realistic comparisons of real materials there is lots > of good info on the web. Obviously, even the names of the futuristic > materials are completely made up. > > The 2 most important stats you'll probably find on materials is the strength > (either tensil strength or yield strength) and hardness. Strength is > typically in ksi, or 'thousands of pounds per square inch' and hardness has > many different scales depending on which field you get the numbers from. > > An interesting side note is that typical mild steel has a typical yeild > strength of about 30 ksi. Higher strength steels and most stainless are > about 60-90 ksi. Super expensive hardened steels can get all the way up to > about 210 ksi I believe. But the ultimate molecular strength of just pure > iron, if you could make it perfectly without any internal stresses, is about > 2000 ksi (it's either that or 4000 ksi, I can't remember anymore, so I'm > being conservative). So we still have a long way to go in materials > science. > > Of course, on this list, you gotta wonder if they don't put too much iron in > the McDonalds hamburgers... > > Walter > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. LOL What is specific gravity, and does that play a role at all? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:30:42 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mathias_K=F6ppen?=" Subject: SV: Game settings (Red Dawn) >Wasn't there a British cartoon flick as well, about a couple just after >the bombs fall, who leave their shelter and try to lead "normal" lives >while slowly dying of radiation? > >Ray Yepp, I remember seeing that a couple of years ago. The old couple who prepared themselves for the bomb and when it came they just waited for the government to come and save them. This could be an interesting encounter for the PCs. An old couple who lives in a farm, just barely hanging on waiting for the someone to come and save them. And here comes our heroes, not expecting to have an old couple to care for... Mathias *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:36:51 -0700 From: "JC" Subject: Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) I suppose you could count By Dawns Early Light or maybe you can count Dr Zhivago? Though I guess those are more about dropping nuclear bombs. JC *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:12:22 -0600 From: "Tim Moerke" Subject: Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) > I suppose you could count By Dawns Early Light or maybe you can count Dr > Zhivago? Though I guess those are more about dropping nuclear bombs. > > JC Dr. Zhivago? That takes place *long* before nuclear bombs were developed. I bet you meant Dr. Strangelove. Tim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:05:09 -0800 (PST) From: GRAEBARDE Subject: Re: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. Nothing wrong with dog meat or cat.. many cultures think nothing of it.. Remember an incident in Korea where a local farmer's dog whelped a large litter of about 8-9 pups. One of my troops wanted to get one of the pups, but was going to wait until they were weaned.. The old farmer, his bitch and her pups would be at the farm gate every day as we passed on patrol.. then one day, no pups.. when we asked what happened to the pups, with his toothless grin he answered in Korean they had eaten them at a party.. we had to pull the guy who wanted one of the pups away.. close to an international incident. Another time I went to a Korean resturant with our ROK liaison sergeant.. We had pastery stuffed with meat and vegetables, very good.. being as conosure of good food, and curious too, I asked what was in it.. after pondering the question and answer he said Americans didn't want to know, but I persisted.. He couldn't think of the answer in English, so as I was scarffing about my fourth one he says "meow".. I hesitated a moment, looked at the food, and continued to scarf.. It's all a matter of mind over stomach.. about the ONLY thing I cann't stomach is snake.. cann't stand snakes so it's all in the mind.. buds say it tastes like chicken, but then everything does??.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:06:32 -0500 From: "Garcia, Abel" Subject: SNOOPIN' & POOPIN' (RECON BY RPG INC.) - -----Original Message----- From: CMarkChester Subject: Different eras-Recon RPG Oh well. In that case, anybody care to take up the case for the Defence.(Is there a Lawyer in the House :-)) The RECON System Designer: Joe F. Martin. From the back of the game manual: #6636 RECON (1982)- "Four to twelve men operating in the bush of Viet Nam. Outnumbered; with only wit, skill, & raw courage between them & violent death. Looking for the Viet Cong in his jungle sanctuary; then dumping on him. Snooping and pooping, the RECON missions of the LRRP, SOG, SEAL, DELTA, PRU, and Phoenix. RECON recreates 34 operations using a percentile role playing system that features a unique map-less terrain generation, for faster play and simpler preparation. RECON can be played with 20mm Viet Nam figures already available. Special artillery, air-strike and helicopter gun-ship rules let you call in anything from mini-guns to napalm. begin you mission by inserting via chopper, river patrol boat, HALO parachute drop, or underwater using SCUBA. Continue your character's career after 'NAM as a soldier of fortune with the 19 missions also in this book." Contents: How to play; Characteristics (strength, alertness, agility); Character classes; RECON teams (RT); VC/NVA; Operations; Insertion; Mercenary; Experience; Small arms; Heavy weapons; Mines & booby traps; Demolitions; Artillery; Air strikes; Gun-ships; Hand to hand; Non-weapon skills; Tables; Appendices; PC sheet. -8.5"x11" (also available in 5.5"x8.5" digest booklet w/GM screen) 44pp for $10. #6637 SAN SUCCI (1982) - "20mm modern building floor-plans for use with metal miniatures." $5. #6652 RECON Module One: The Haiphong H.A.L.O. (1983) - "SOG operations in North Viet Nam. Under OPS 31 (Maritime) and OPS 35 (North Viet Nam) SOG RT's penetrated deep into the hear of North Vietnam. The Haiphong HALO allows you to recreate some of the most dramatic missions of that war. This module is designed to allow you to run overland, or amphibious operations with new insertion and extraction systems and tables. Special terrain generation tables for the central highlands and coastal plains allow you to lead your RT overland to the very gates of Hanoi. New insertion and extraction system allow you to take SEALs or Marine Force RECON swimmers (SCUBA divers) into Haiphong harbor for RECON, sabotage, snatches, assassinations, and rescues." Contents: Haiphong harbor area hex map; 20mm deck plan of a small merchant freighter; Insertion (new); Extraction by Skyhook; New tables (including surf & underwater contacts). Printed on 4pp of newspaper sized (15"x23") newsprint/butcher paper for $3.50. #6653 RECON Module Two: HEARTS & MINDS (1983) - "In Hearts and Minds your RECON character is a member of a U.S. Special Forces A Team organizing and training a Montagnard village in the Central Highlands of the Republic of Viet Nam. for daily events in the village there is a 2d100 table of common occurrences, ceremonies, and VC planted rumors. For patrols with your Montagnard Strikers (Strike Force) There is a new set of Contact Tables - -covering terrain, pack time, and extensive VC/NVA contacts along the Ho Chi Minh Trail (including a random tunnel system.)" Contents: Plei-Mih map; Introduction; The Montagnards; The Special Forces (SF); Campaign Activities; Campaign Outline; Dice; Montagnard NPCs; Weapons (WWII surplus & crossbows); Map legend (inhabitants); Daily events tables; Contact tables; Tunnel system. -43pp, digest sized booklet (5.5"x 8.5") for $3.50. #6654 RECON Supplement One: SAYARET & TANK COMMANDER (1983) - "Israeli reconnaissance/special operations units, and a unique role-playing system for an Israeli tank crew. The first in a set of supplements that will cover the major hot areas since WWII: SWEEP will cover conventional search-and-destroy operations in Veit Nam; RECCE will cover Rhodesian and South African reconnaissance special operation units; and others. SAYARET covers only armored combat during the Arab-Israeli Wars 1967-1983." Contents: Background; Mechanics; Track Commander; Tables. -53pp in a digest sized booklet (5.5"x8.5") for $5.98. Abel p.'s. NO! I'm not selling any of my old RECON stuff -those are the original '80s prices! *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:09:49 -0800 (PST) From: GRAEBARDE Subject: Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) "The Morning After" with Jason Robards [spelling ?], was a WW3, but NOT as good as "Red Dawn" TMA was an antinuc movie that came out about the time the Nuclear Winter theory hit the scene. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:10:26 -0700 From: "JC" Subject: Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) - -----Original Message----- From: Tim Moerke To: twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com Date: Friday, March 03, 2000 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) >> I suppose you could count By Dawns Early Light or maybe you can count Dr >> Zhivago? Though I guess those are more about dropping nuclear bombs. >> >> JC > >Dr. Zhivago? That takes place *long* before nuclear bombs were developed. >I bet you meant Dr. Strangelove. > Whoops you're right, guess I wasn't thinking straight. At least I got the Dr part right though? JC *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:14:30 -0800 (PST) From: GRAEBARDE Subject: Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) NOT Dr. Zhivago, but Dr. Strangelove I beleive. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:15:26 -0700 From: "JC" Subject: Re: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. >Nothing wrong with dog meat or cat.. >Another time I went to a Korean resturant with our ROK >liaison sergeant.. We had pastery stuffed with meat and >vegetables, very good.. being as conosure of good food, and >curious too, I asked what was in it.. after pondering the >question and answer he said Americans didn't want to know, >but I persisted.. He couldn't think of the answer in >English, so as I was scarffing about my fourth one he says >"meow".. It's definately has to be a cutural thing. I'm sure there are plenty of Hindi people who faint at the thought of the millions of burgers and steaks America goes through in a single month. For myself though if someone were to turn my daughter's cat into a pastry puff I'd probably have to be restrained from pulling a two to the chest and one to the head on the guy. Course a dog ate one of our kittens once, the dog is just lucky animal control got to it before I got home. Regards, JC *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:20:17 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Wiberg Subject: Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, GRAEBARDE wrote: > "The Morning After" with Jason Robards [spelling ?], was a > WW3, but NOT as good as "Red Dawn" TMA was an antinuc > movie that came out about the time the Nuclear Winter > theory hit the scene. Not as good as Red Dawn? I dunno....I thought most "serious" nuclear war flicks were anti nuke. Makes sense to me, afterall, I can think of little advantage for a dust covered, chilly, radioactive hellhole. Maybe I'm overreacting :) Red Dawn, while throughily enjoyable, wasn't really a great film in the classical sense. It is however, a great flick for patriots and war lovers/gamers (like me and ya'll). I think The Morning After was a good flick. It was fairly realistic as I recall. I certainly impressed me at age 10. I checked out the video tape when I was 20 or so to watch it again. I still thought it was good. Ah well, just my opinion of course. Ray *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:14:20 -0600 From: "Kevin O'Dell" Subject: RE: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. On Friday, March 03, 2000 6:05 PM, GRAEBARDE [SMTP:graebarde@yahoo.com] wrote: > Nothing wrong with dog meat or cat.. many cultures think > nothing of it.. Remember an incident in Korea where a local > farmer's dog whelped a large litter of about 8-9 pups. One > of my troops wanted to get one of the pups, but was going > to wait until they were weaned.. The old farmer, his bitch > and her pups would be at the farm gate every day as we > passed on patrol.. then one day, no pups.. when we asked > what happened to the pups, with his toothless grin he > answered in Korean they had eaten them at a party.. we had > to pull the guy who wanted one of the pups away.. close to > an international incident. > > Another time I went to a Korean resturant with our ROK > liaison sergeant.. We had pastery stuffed with meat and > vegetables, very good.. being as conosure of good food, and > curious too, I asked what was in it.. after pondering the > question and answer he said Americans didn't want to know, > but I persisted.. He couldn't think of the answer in > English, so as I was scarffing about my fourth one he says > "meow".. I hesitated a moment, looked at the food, and > continued to scarf.. > > It's all a matter of mind over stomach.. about the ONLY > thing I cann't stomach is snake.. cann't stand snakes so > it's all in the mind.. buds say it tastes like chicken, but > then everything does??.. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. LOL That is toooo funny I can see the guy, looking confused and then saying "Meow" *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:29:42 -0800 (PST) From: GRAEBARDE Subject: Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) The line of thought I found flawed in "Red Dawn" was the idea that 'Free America' was thinking about sending in some speical forces in the spring. I have strong doubts that the military commands would wait until spring to send at least a half team in with some technical assistance if ther were partisians doing as much damage to the enemy as portraied in the movie? Thoughts? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:27:28 -0600 From: "Kevin O'Dell" Subject: RE: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. On Friday, March 03, 2000 6:15 PM, JC [SMTP:jc173@gci-net.com] wrote: > >Nothing wrong with dog meat or cat.. > >Another time I went to a Korean resturant with our ROK > >liaison sergeant.. We had pastery stuffed with meat and > >vegetables, very good.. being as conosure of good food, and > >curious too, I asked what was in it.. after pondering the > >question and answer he said Americans didn't want to know, > >but I persisted.. He couldn't think of the answer in > >English, so as I was scarffing about my fourth one he says > >"meow".. > > It's definately has to be a cutural thing. I'm sure there are plenty > of Hindi people who faint at the thought of the millions of burgers > and steaks America goes through in a single month. For myself > though if someone were to turn my daughter's cat into a pastry > puff I'd probably have to be restrained from pulling a two to the chest > and one to the head on the guy. Course a dog ate one of our > kittens once, the dog is just lucky animal control got to it before I > got home. > > Regards, > > JC > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. We had a couple of guys from india stay with us once for a church function. We took them out to eat and they asked us what was good to eat. We recomended hamburgers and they agreed. Once the waitress left, they asked "what is in a hamburger?" When we told them beef, they turned white and their eyes got big. They always asked what was in the food after that Kevin *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 16:43:11 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: vehicle conversions (rant) Uh can you guys do like if there is an extremely long quote and you have just one sentence to respond with? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:41:12 EST From: CMarkChester@aol.com Subject: Re: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. Actually this all about the bloke going "meow" reminded me of a legend my family told me. Many, many years ago (we're talking the 50's here folks), my father was in the RAF. He was stationed in Gibraltar, and he and my mother went to a local restaraunt. And my father ordered all this food, which he and my mother proceeded to eat. My mother proceeded to eat a dish of Calimari (I think thats the right name although I could be wrong!!) Half way through my father asked my mother "Do you like that" My mother replied "Oh yes it's very nice." Then my father replied "Well I'll know to get you Squid the next time." My mother's face proceeds to turn white, and she leaves the restaraunt rather quick!! :-) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ----------------------------- "I can't go in there. I have a problem with confined spaces. Theres a medical name for it!" "Yes it's called cowardice" (Villa talking to Jenna - Blake's 7) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ----------------------------- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:49:47 -0800 (PST) From: GRAEBARDE Subject: Re: Severely OT....McDonald's Etc. As I said it's mind over stomach :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 19:26:35 -0600 From: "Walter" Subject: RE: vehicle conversions (rant) > What is specific gravity, and does that play a role at all? If I recall my physics correctly ... specific gravity is a number relating the weight (or mass) per volume as related to water. Water weighs a certain amount per volume. Thus a material that has a specific gravity of 2, weighs twice as much per volume as water. The lower the specific gravity, the lighter the material given the same volume. An aluminum plate that is of a certain size will wiegh less than a steel plate of the same dimensions. The proportion less can be seen by dividing the two specific gravities. Note that Titanium is typically about as strong as higher end steel. It just weighs less (lower specific gravity) and has a (usually) higher tolerance for heat. Since I'm home now, I looked up in my steel reference book, "Structural Steel Design" and it looks like I underestimated from memory the strength of higher end steels. It was written in the 70's and according to it ultra-high-strength steels go up to 300 ksi, but only 100 ksi was available outside research labs back then. On the web today, I found a super expensive bike frame made from steel with a strength of 180 ksi. For the trivia buffs, the "theoretical binding force between iron atoms" is supposed to be "in excess of 4,000,000 psi" (or 4000 ksi). It'll be cool when we learn how to make perfect iron. It probably won't be until we can build it a molecule at a time with nano-tech. Another cool thing will be when the velocities of anti-tank shells get over 6000 m/sec, then the strength of the armor will no longer matter since the impact occurs at faster than the speed of sound in the steel. During impacts above the speed of sound in a solid, the solid will act like a liquid (ie. zero shear strength). Thus, if you could build a rifle that could shoot at 10km/sec, you could probably shoot right through a tank like it was a big puddle of really heavy water. This is the same principal that they use for ground penetrating re-entry vehicles from ICBM's. They make it impact above the speed of sound of the earth, but below the speed of sound of the nuke. Thus it penetrates like a rock thrown at water. Walter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:53:53 -0800 From: "Corey Wells" Subject: Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) > On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Fugitivus wrote: > > > > > what other ww3 films are there, no one has done red storm rising or any > > of the ian slater seris of books. has there been any other world world > > films? > > > > aaron > > There are two fairly good ones I can think of off the top of my head. > > A Soviet/Russian one called "Letters From a Dead Man" (I think...It's been > a long time since I saw it). It's a black and white flick...very dark. > > In the 80's ABC made a made for TV movie called...I can't remember! It > starred Henry Fonda though, and took place in Kansas as I recall. Anybody > else remember this?...AHA, it was "The Morning After" I think. > > "On the Beach" a 50's flick about an american submarine crew who go to > Austraila and head home to see what's left. > > The whole slog of Sci-Fi post-fall flicks like "Boy and His Dog", and > others to heinous to name. > > Ray > There's also tons of books. If you can handle the dryness, there's World War III. I can't remember the author; but as I recall, it was British guy who was in the military. Former Admiral or something. Then there are some great Harold Coyle books. Team Yankee, which was based on part of the time line of WW III, mentioned above. Also, Trial by Fire was very good, would work well for those campaigning in the US. The Ten Thousand takes place in Europe, concerning a former Hitler Youth gaining control of Germany. Sword Point takes place in the Mid-East. I'm currently reading God's Children, which is set in Slovakia, and dealing with ethnic conflict. I cannot remember if I've read Code of Honor. Coyle has started a series of Civil War novels, which is what Code of Honor may be about. On thing about Coyle's books is that he tends to focus on a few individual characters, and also shows the dynamics of small units. But at the same time, he often also includes the big picture (The Ten Thousand is a good example.) This is nice, because it gives you the whole gamut. He also doesn't get too much into the Techno-war stuff like Clancy and Brown do. Another one good for settings and individual/unit dynamics (and big picture) is Larry Bond's Vortex. It's set in South Africa, I believe either before the end of Apartheid, or dealing with a resurgence of it. Actually, I think it had something to do with a moderate government that was phasing out Apartheid, and radicals tried to take over or something. Anyhow, though the books take longer to read than watching a movie; they provide good setting material and how the "Big Picture" is looked at, how the small unit operates, and how the individual soldier sees and handles all of it. As far as movies are concerned, Ray mentioned a few decent ones (I think someone earlier mentioned Damnation Alley, that's a decent on for you Techno-futuristic, Post Apocalyptic people) and that there are numerous ones that aren't even good enough to mentioned (but may be worth a 50 cent rental on a otherwise boring weekend.) One that I do like was the Postman. Thought the movie was actually better than the book, and more believable (of course, the book was written a good 30 years before it's setting, where the movie was only about 15...) Also, as far as just little scenario deals, many World War 2 movies, or other 20th century war films, can be good. Got something going on in a POW camp, with the players as prisoners? Look at the Great Escape. Bridge over the River Kwai. Bridge Too Far. Big Red One. Even All's Quiet on the Western Front (I prefer the older, black and white version) is good for looking at trench warfare. There are many, many to look at to get ideas of combat (even if Hollywood combat) and such. Hope this helps you find some "mind juice" for you. Cor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:17:31 -0000 From: "Mark Oliver" Subject: Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) - -----Original Message----- From: Ray Wiberg To: twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com Date: 03 March 2000 22:25 Subject: Re: Game settings (Red Dawn) >Wasn't there a British cartoon flick as well, about a couple just after >the bombs fall, who leave their shelter and try to lead "normal" lives >while slowly dying of radiation? It's called "When the Wind Blows" and it's by Raymond Briggs who also wrote the Snowman and Father Christmas books. All have also been made into animations. "When the Wind Blows" is a very adult tale and is surprisingly moving and bleak. It's well worth checking out if you can find it somewhere. Raymond Briggs also wrote another book called "Ted and Ethel", or something along those lines. It was based around his parents experiences which included the Blitz on London in the 40s. Something I've read pieces of but never the whole. Anyhow "When the Wind Blows" (definately) and the other one (from what I've seen) give a very moving account of "real" people in extraodinary circumstances. None of this "teenager grabs a machine gun and mows down the invading commie scum" teenager fantasy stuff but a believable tale about people who could be your parents. I read "When the Wind Blows" years ago when I was much younger and it's one of those things that had a huge impact upon me even years later, it does haunt you a wee bit. Anyhow, as I've allready said, do yourselves a favour and go and find it, it's a good investment of time and money. Regards, Mark *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #111 *************************************