twilight2000-digest Monday, February 28 2000 Volume 1999 : Number 102 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: Rats and Plagues (Australia) Re: guides (Australia) best place on earth (bit dangerous though) Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. Re: Rats and Plagues (Australia) Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. Re: Mad Max/Australia Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. Re: Rats and Plagues (Australia) Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. Re: Politics stuffs Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. Re: Equipment Guides Plagues of Rats, Etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:50:10 -0600 From: Steve Subject: Re: Rats and Plagues (Australia) "Gray, Raymond" wrote: > The "Australia is full of millions of rats" comment is enough for me.... > ****************************************************************** LOL That is great! This is the last time I double post, I promise. Steve *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:12:41 -0700 From: Rogue09@Sprynet.com Subject: Re: guides Fugitivus wrote: > what does the list feel are the best guides out there on equipment. the > janes guides or are there other good books. > > a friend said that janes do excellent books on armor. > > aaron Janes Yearbooks and their regular Magazine Titles are worth their weight in gold, Brassey's materials are good but not quite as good as Janes, and then you run into other magaziens like Armada and others which are helpfull... course you can always get the annual Gun Digest and Shooters Bibles for small arms info... and if you need equipment catalogs from Sears (etc) are handy... Just my opinion T.R. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:51:55 +1100 From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" Subject: (Australia) best place on earth (bit dangerous though) >Are their plagues of rats in Australia? > I have seen some documentary (Nature of Things) perhaps, however in this >program they were showing tens of millions of >rats overrunning farms and the countryside. They claimed that the situation is >worsening, although I don't recall the cause. > > Is this true, or a sad attempt for ratings? >I know this appears absurd, but that’s what they were conveying. Perhaps I >could expand my T2K campaign to have a plague >in Australia, and the food supply is non-existent. >Steve > << I can picture in my mind a world without war. >A world without hate, and I Can picture us attacking that world, >because they'd never expect it.>> I usually clip tag lines, but yours is very funny. Mice Mate! Millions and squillions of mice. Whenever there's a bumper crop and the conditions are right we can get tons of mice in the wheat belt but they don't significantly impact the crop. If they carried a disease it might make a decent scenario but Australians have very few guns about to add nasty foes with, Mad Max springs to mind though. The 'Death Of Grass' scenario would work but it's probably more interesting in a more urban society, there's enough land here for every one to live on spuds! Whenever the mice go berserk the snakes do really well. There are only two types of snake in Oz, Phenomenously Poisonous is type 1 and Never Seen is type 2. We have snakes here that can kill you by e-mail, they're that poisonous. Thinking about it, a good scenario can be built out of a bunch of mercenaries trying to get to civilisation with a bunch of troops chasing them after a downed transport situation. Cliche' you say? The real danger here is the environment, the Oz Army (we have one) expects 50% of enemy casualties in a proposed invasion to be through environmental factors alone. We mightn't have grizzly bears but the crocs weigh over a ton, climb trees well, run faster than a horse (in a straight line) and have been known to lie in wait for people who use tracks and fishing spots too often (three times in a row will do it). They can be found long distances from water, places you'd never expect to find a water-reptile. Water Buffalo are very dangerous and take buckets of damage to drop. Wild pigs with heads that fill a wheelbarrow will hunt you down if wounded, they too take ridiculous amounts of damage to kill. Both these animals are full of worms and you have to be carefull eating them. Food is hard to find, one of the hardest spots on the planet but roleplaying a starving PC is not a lot of fun, same with dying of thirst. Many survival techniques are less effective in Australia, so your snake-eaters may be unpleasantly surprised. Back to snakes. The bloody things are everywhere, the most poisonous snake on the planet is here. Taipans are incredibly poisonous, they're both territorial and aggressive too. Death Adders have a virulent poison and a 'dirty mouth' (hello infection), they move slowly but if you stand on one they whip back and bite with the speed of a steel trap. The whole outback is mined with these things. The snakes live in the water too, sea snakes are venomous (of course) and live in both fresh and salt water. Whoa! Rambling Jim! *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 23:52:06 -0800 From: "Jesse LaBranche" Subject: Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. Cor wrote: > >Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 0 degrees C freezing? 15 is a > whoppingly > >low 59 deg. F (I'm being sarcastic, I don't get cold until the low 50s > F...) > >And 25 deg C is an uncomfortably warm 77 F... Did you mean -15, or being > >sarcastic, or what? Just curious. To which Jim Lawrie (The smug bastard :-) responded: > Yep, I was being humourous and comparing your chilly climes with Balmy > Australia. Especially to Ray who features in several of our PbEMs. > It's our summer at the moment, I can't even imagine the temperatures > you're describing! (That, and you keep using those funny old temperature > measurements) > Down here the weather is perfect, as is the scenery and the lifestyle. > It's totally useless for T2K scenarios because we have a small relatively > peacefully coexisting population. No right-wing militias would spring up in > event of a catastrophe and we prefer that only our police and army do our > defending. Whew! That explains a lot. I was busting my brain trying to remember that old quick and dirty formula for converting celsius to farhenheit and just couldn't remember it. Somehow, I knew that 15-25C was NOT colder than -40F though, and I just could not get a grip on what part of the posts you were missing, or whether you had made some typos, or what. Glad that was resolved. Now my brain hemoroid and headache can both go away in peace and I can sleep tonight... I did want to address a couple of your points in the last paragraph in hopes of kind of clarifying rather than getting into one of these "my country is better than yours" types of wars (which you have no worry- I will avoid.) I would be kind of curious to see what the list-members could come up with for Australian events in the course of T2k (especially those who use the 1st ed history, although 2nd would do too). I do know that the sweeping changes going through the rest of the world would not leave Australia sitting at its current status-quo though. Any ideas people? My only attempts at an Australian campaign ended up looking a whole lot more like a Mad Max movie than a T2k campaign- although it was not a catastrophic failure since we all had a lot of fun with it. As to the rather small population coexisting in relative peace, we actually do have that, actually many of those, in the US. You never really hear about those because it is very unlikely that a story saying: "...and Mr. Jones slept peacefully in his nice quiet neighborhood" would ever reach international headlines unless it added in something about poor ol' Jones getting shot or some other such thing as well. As hard as it is, do not let the media/movies give you ANY indication of any country, we're all a lot more similar than the governments/media would have us believe IMO. In regards to letting our police and military do the fighting, I actually do have the highest respect for these people who are willing to risk their lives, do the job, and take the shit for it. I don't know how much of the US feels the way that I do about this, but IF we could trust our politicians to stay out of the affairs of the military and leave the police alone to do their jobs- then "I" would have a whole lot more faith in their ability to do the job. Let me make it CLEAR that I am not saying that our military and police are ineffective or that ALL politicians are bad. What I am saying is that we have enough bad one's that they ARE effectively tying the hands of anything they come in contact with enough that they are unable to be effective at their jobs though. Was that clear? Somehow, it seems as clear as mud. Oh well, hopefully it came across the way that it was meant- if not, I'm sure I'll hear about it. Just a little sidenote, when I used to work at the gas station in Anchorage... Well, it was actually a convenience store chain and our particular store sold alcohol. We had to check ID on everyone who looks under thirty and if they're under 21- no alcohol. Now, in the US, a person can enter the military as early as 17 (unless things have changed fairly recently). Anyway, a guy in civilian clothes with a proper haircut and shave usually looks younger than he is and I ended up IDing a LOT of military guys. As soon as I saw that military ID and came to the realization that it wasn't a dependant ID- I didn't even bother to check the birthdate on the card. The way I look at it is that I can give this guy his alcohol and maybe lose a job or go to jail over it. Small risk on my part considering that tomorrow this guy may be defending me and my country against some outside threat... In fact, his mere presence does that (in a loose sense) every day. Here is a guy that can potentially handle nuclear weaponry, handle just about any conventional weapon put on the battlefield, drive armor, handle classified information, and go fight everyone's battles responsibly anywhere that duty calls, but he can't be responsible for his own actions with a bottle of alcohol- Go figure. Well, as always, wordy me goes on another rampage. Jesse. vanquer@email.msn.com ICQ. 30334260 or 8004143 (backup) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:05:32 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: Re: Rats and Plagues (Australia) Ok to clear things up here. Yes every now and again the farming community goes through a MICE plague. Due to one environmental condition or another it can trigger this off. For those people interested in running a T2K scenario in Australia I'm sure that there'd be a few of us that could help you out with little bits and pieces. We pretty much have a wide range of weather conditions over here. As some have mentioned, yes about 1/3rd of Queensland (a state in Aust) is underwater with flooding at the moment. When it isn't flooding, it's usually in drought (which is the way it was before the current lot of rains). Temperatures of some of these places can get up to 50 deg C. If you think desert then you will have the idea if you wish to run a campaign in the majority of Australia. The Northern area of Oz, is tropical, so it's hot and it's humid. As you go further south, it continues to be hot, but the humidity drops. The effect being temps in the 30's - 40's. Continue to travel further south and it become's milder, temps ranging from the 20's -30's max. Then you hit Tasmania, and well who really cares about Tasmania, other than to say it has to be better than Melbourne. Oh yeah getting back on track, Tassie rains it has the mildest temp range compared to other cities. If your looking for military targets down here, you may be struggling, Nuke targets that is. The suggestion would be for a Mad Max style of game if the players were to venture outside of the major populated areas. General lawlessness with pockets of people congregated together around resources of one kind or another, eg oil or WATER (if they're in the desert). I hope that gives you lot some ideas, although it's hard to convey the crispy critters effect of the Australian desert over the Internet. Oh yeah and with reference to Australia being full of rats.....that's only because we're hospitable to our tourists :) Ballistix *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:31:24 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. > I did want to address a couple of your points in the last paragraph in hopes of > kind of clarifying rather than getting into one of these "my country is better than > yours" types of wars (which you have no worry- I will avoid.) Tooo late - mine's betterer and biggerer than yours :) > I don't know how much of the US feels the way that I do about this, but IF we > could trust our politicians to stay out of the affairs of the military and leave the > police alone to do their jobs- then "I" would have a whole lot more faith in > their ability to do the job. Figure I'd add a comment here before the scenario tit bits. If we had better politicians we wouldn't need armies :) > I would be kind of curious to see what the list-members could come up with > for Australian events in the course of T2k (especially those who use the 1st > ed history, although 2nd would do too). By this I assume you mean the nuclear war course of events. > I do know that the sweeping changes going through the rest of the world would > not leave Australia sitting at its current status-quo though. Any ideas people? My > only attempts at an Australian campaign ended up looking a whole lot more > like a Mad Max movie than a T2k campaign- although it was not a catastrophic > failure since we all had a lot of fun with it. Ok well in reality a lot of things could happen, even though I did digress to the Mad Max thing in another post. In reality that is probably what would happen in the outback areas of Aust. In the cities things may get a little different. Now before I go on, these are just ideas and do not represent my personal views over any specific country mentioned. RACIAL VIOLENCE AND RACE WARS. Sorry had to have this one, as it seems the most logical for Australia given our wide spread of cultural backgrounds. If in the case of the scenario given, Australia may experience a nuclear attack, although the targets would be limited and in all reality I couldn't see the immediate effect being much of note. However the repercusions could be more devesatatiing. If you could imagine whole cities splitting up and segregating into race or country of origin gangs or groups. Small enclaves of races fighting it out over areas or importance. It tends to digress into a sort of post apocalyptic gang war in a sense. Others may say that this couldn't happen but unfortunately with the arrival of the 'One Nation' party into Australian politics, it has shown that there is enough racial tension in some parts of the community for just this type of thing to occur. MILITARY INVASION How you say???. Well imagine this, if the areas in SE Asia remained relatively intact after a nuclear strike over zealous leaders might sieze on the opportunity to gain nearby resources. As most people know Australia has a population of around 18 million people, about the same number of people that you can find in one city of the USA probably. If we take our closest neighbour Indonesia (and don't anyone get upset about it, given current strained ties with them). for example a country that has I think a couple of hundred million people. They could launch military operations into the north of Australia, with the aim to capture vital resources and land. Well there's two options for you all, I'm sure there's probably heaps more but I'm not that creative at the moment. Ballistix *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 03:44:31 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. At 11:52 PM 2/27/00 -0800, Jesse LaBranche wrote: > I don't know how much of the US feels the way that I do about this, but >IF we >could trust our politicians to stay out of the affairs of the military and >leave the >police alone to do their jobs- then "I" would have a whole lot more faith in >their >ability to do the job. With all due respect, the whole idea of democracy is that military and police have to be watched over by politicians, lest they use their power to abuse people. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:38:56 -0800 From: "Corey Wells" Subject: Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. > > Whew! That explains a lot. I was busting my brain trying to remember > that old > quick and dirty formula for converting celsius to farhenheit and just > couldn't > remember it. Actually, I don't know what those formulas are. I trust my handy TI-36X calculator, with it's Farhenheit to Celsius converter to do the work. > In regards to letting our police and military do the fighting, I > actually do have the > highest respect for these people who are willing to risk their lives, do the > job, and > take the shit for it. > I don't know how much of the US feels the way that I do about this, but > IF we > could trust our politicians to stay out of the affairs of the military and > leave the > police alone to do their jobs- then "I" would have a whole lot more faith in > their > ability to do the job. > Let me make it CLEAR that I am not saying that our military and police > are > ineffective or that ALL politicians are bad. What I am saying is that we > have enough > bad one's that they ARE effectively tying the hands of anything they come in > contact > with enough that they are unable to be effective at their jobs though. > Was that clear? Somehow, it seems as clear as mud. Oh well, hopefully it > came > across the way that it was meant- if not, I'm sure I'll hear about it. You sure will hear about it. I agree with the respect issue. But it is more than that. An a*hole is an a*hole regardless of his job, uniform, etcetera. And to me, an a*hole does not deserve respect. As far as politicians and military/police. We must have a ploitician in charge of the military. It's in the constitution, and I think a very good idea. Much more easy to end up with a military junta otherwise. Granted, it may help that the CIC has some understanding of military life, and strategic thinking. And as for the police, it's the politicians that create the laws. Otherwise, no point of having police. Or we could instead have something like the Gestapo. I agree, sometimes seems very ineffective. But I feel much more secure of my rights and freedom (if not entirely safe of body) with our system. I'd like to be trusted to protect myself in other respects. Unfortunately, that right has been pretty much abolished. And though I feel that the need for drinking alcohol, well I feel there is pretty much no need. I'm not like anti or anything. I just don't see the need for it. Anyway, I agree mostly with your assesment. That's why the voting age was dropped to 18. If a person could be drafted and sent off to fight and die for the country, he (because only us men get drafted) should have a say in the election of government. And I think drinking and other things should be the same. Maybe we should just make it a more round number of say: 20. And 18 year old isn't really all that more physically fit than a 20 year old. And you'll be dealing with some one more mature mentally and emotionally (hard to believe how much difference those two years could make in that respect, but they do.) I think all those age based things should be the same. It's like, you're an adult at 18, but not fully an adult yet. And it goes state to state anyhow. Make it a national thing I say. Heck, age of consent here in CA is 18. But some states it's 16. If two 16 year olds married in another state, then came to CA, we'd still have to recognize the marriage. So why not have a national standard for adulthood? My six and a half cents. Cor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:43:03 -0800 From: "Jesse LaBranche" Subject: Re: Mad Max/Australia Wow! Right after my post about possible scenarios and feeling really bad that I couldn't come up with something better than Mad Max for the Aussie camp. that I ran- You guys suggest that! Now I feel better :-) Later. Jesse. vanquer@email.msn.com ICQ. 30334260 or 8004143 (backup) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 03:55:17 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. At 12:38 AM 2/28/00 -0800, Corey Wells wrote: > >> >> Whew! That explains a lot. I was busting my brain trying to remember >> that old >> quick and dirty formula for converting celsius to farhenheit and just >> couldn't >> remember it. > >Actually, I don't know what those formulas are. I trust my handy TI-36X >calculator, with it's Farhenheit to Celsius converter to do the work. > > > >> In regards to letting our police and military do the fighting, I >> actually do have the >> highest respect for these people who are willing to risk their lives, do >the >> job, and >> take the shit for it. >> I don't know how much of the US feels the way that I do about this, >but >> IF we >> could trust our politicians to stay out of the affairs of the military and >> leave the >> police alone to do their jobs- then "I" would have a whole lot more faith >in >> their >> ability to do the job. >> Let me make it CLEAR that I am not saying that our military and police >> are >> ineffective or that ALL politicians are bad. What I am saying is that we >> have enough >> bad one's that they ARE effectively tying the hands of anything they come >in >> contact >> with enough that they are unable to be effective at their jobs though. >> Was that clear? Somehow, it seems as clear as mud. Oh well, hopefully >it >> came >> across the way that it was meant- if not, I'm sure I'll hear about it. > >You sure will hear about it. I agree with the respect issue. But it is >more than that. An a*hole is an a*hole regardless of his job, uniform, >etcetera. And to me, an a*hole does not deserve respect. As far as >politicians and military/police. We must have a ploitician in charge of the >military. It's in the constitution, and I think a very good idea. Much >more easy to end up with a military junta otherwise. Granted, it may help >that the CIC has some understanding of military life, and strategic >thinking. And as for the police, it's the politicians that create the laws. >Otherwise, no point of having police. Or we could instead have something >like the Gestapo. I agree, sometimes seems very ineffective. But I feel >much more secure of my rights and freedom (if not entirely safe of body) >with our system. I'd like to be trusted to protect myself in other >respects. Unfortunately, that right has been pretty much abolished. > >And though I feel that the need for drinking alcohol, well I feel there is >pretty much no need. I'm not like anti or anything. I just don't see the >need for it. Anyway, I agree mostly with your assesment. That's why the >voting age was dropped to 18. If a person could be drafted and sent off to >fight and die for the country, he (because only us men get drafted) should >have a say in the election of government. And I think drinking and other >things should be the same. Maybe we should just make it a more round number >of say: 20. And 18 year old isn't really all that more physically fit than >a 20 year old. And you'll be dealing with some one more mature mentally and >emotionally (hard to believe how much difference those two years could make >in that respect, but they do.) I think all those age based things should be >the same. It's like, you're an adult at 18, but not fully an adult yet. >And it goes state to state anyhow. Make it a national thing I say. Heck, >age of consent here in CA is 18. But some states it's 16. If two 16 year >olds married in another state, then came to CA, we'd still have to recognize >the marriage. So why not have a national standard for adulthood? > >My six and a half cents. > >Cor > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 03:56:55 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. If you ever write an email client, do NOT put the reply and send hot-keys right next to each other. At 12:38 AM 2/28/00 -0800, Corey Wells wrote: > >And though I feel that the need for drinking alcohol, well I feel there is >pretty much no need. I'm not like anti or anything. I just don't see the >need for it. Anyway, I agree mostly with your assesment. That's why the >voting age was dropped to 18. If a person could be drafted and sent off to >fight and die for the country, he (because only us men get drafted) should >have a say in the election of government. And I think drinking and other >things should be the same. Actually, the dirnking age _was_ dropped to 18 during Vietnam, I think (or at least, it was dropped on military bases); it was only raised later due to drunk driving concerns. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:51:11 +1100 From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" Subject: Re: Rats and Plagues (Australia) Then you hit Tasmania, and >well who really cares about Tasmania, other than to say it has to be >better than Melbourne. Oh yeah getting back on track, Tassie rains >it has the mildest temp range compared to other cities. >Ballistix grrr Sandgropers! Jim : ) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:56:03 -0800 From: "Jesse LaBranche" Subject: Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. > > I did want to address a couple of your points in the last paragraph in > hopes of > > kind of clarifying rather than getting into one of these "my country is > better than > > yours" types of wars (which you have no worry- I will avoid.) > Tooo late - mine's betterer and biggerer than yours :) Heh. I said *Countries* not *Egos* Ballistix ;-) > Figure I'd add a comment here before the scenario tit bits. If we had better > politicians we wouldn't need armies :) Hmm... If we didn't have politicians, would we have armies? > > I would be kind of curious to see what the list-members could come up with > > for Australian events in the course of T2k (especially those who use the > > 1st ed history, although 2nd would do too). > By this I assume you mean the nuclear war course of events. Well, the 1st ed. history runs with the "nukes" striking a few targets at a time rather than the idea of a mass launch that wipes the world in one clean blow, but in the loosest sense of the term- yeah, that's what I meant :-) > Ok well in reality a lot of things could happen, even though I did digress > to the Mad Max thing in another post. In reality that is probably what would > happen in the outback areas of Aust. In the cities things may get a little > different. > Ballistix Two things hit my mind while I was reading your potential scenarios. 1st off- thanks for the 18 million population figure. Any idea how large the Armed Forces are? and a breakdown of branches, occupations, etc. with full order of battle would be nice... Also, how big is Australia in rough square mileage? (Or km- I'll pull out the trusty ol' metric conversion calculator and hope that the guys who made it understand the american and metric systems better than I do :-) Later. Jesse. vanquer@email.msn.com ICQ. 30334260 or 8004143 (backup) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:20:26 -0800 From: "Jesse LaBranche" Subject: Re: Politics stuffs > At 11:52 PM 2/27/00 -0800, Jesse LaBranche wrote: > > I don't know how much of the US feels the way that I do about this, but > >IF we > >could trust our politicians to stay out of the affairs of the military and > >leave the > >police alone to do their jobs- then "I" would have a whole lot more faith in > >their > >ability to do the job. > With all due respect, the whole idea of democracy is that military and > police have to be watched over by politicians, lest they use their power to > abuse people. > Scott Orr Hey Scott, That is one of the few statements that I have ever seen that I agree and disagree with completely at the same time :-) Without politicians at all, we do see the abuse of power that you speak of. However, what do we use in our democracy to see that politicians do not overstep their bounds? My answer to that question would be: It is supposed to be the citizens of this country. However, that power has been stripped by those which we are supposed to be watching- unfortunately, that is an answer that will generally draw much debate and probably off-topic discussion... Later. Jesse. vanquer@email.msn.com ICQ. 30334260 or 8004143 (backup) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:29:47 -0800 From: "Jesse LaBranche" Subject: Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. > If you ever write an email client, do NOT put the reply and send hot-keys > right next to each other. I was wondering what that last message was all about. I hadn't known you to quote whole lines of stuff without a good amount of your own wit involved, let alone a whole post without anything to say :-) > At 12:38 AM 2/28/00 -0800, Corey Wells wrote: > >And though I feel that the need for drinking alcohol, well I feel there is > >pretty much no need. I'm not like anti or anything. I just don't see the > >need for it. Anyway, I agree mostly with your assesment. That's why the > >voting age was dropped to 18. If a person could be drafted and sent off to > >fight and die for the country, he (because only us men get drafted) should > >have a say in the election of government. And I think drinking and other > >things should be the same. > Actually, the dirnking age _was_ dropped to 18 during Vietnam, I think (or > at least, it was dropped on military bases); it was only raised later due > to drunk driving concerns. > Scott Orr I don't recall for sure whether this was the case in the civillian communities, but that is correct. In VN, the "official" drinking age was lowered to 18, but I have been generally told that nobody really bothered to check if you were in the uniform. Just a quick response to Corey's post about an ass no matter what the uniform and what-not... I agree. I was speaking "stereotypically" since I had no way of knowing most of the people that I served. Also, I feel the same way that you do in general about the alcohol- not "anti" and no need for it. Later guys. Jesse. vanquer@email.msn.com ICQ. 30334260 or 8004143 (backup) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:47:26 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: Re: cold and extreme cold weather effects and stuff. > Two things hit my mind while I was reading your potential scenarios. 1st > off- thanks for the 18 million population figure. Any idea how large the > Armed Forces are? and a breakdown of branches, occupations, etc. with > full order of battle would be nice... Ok lets see this is a quick fix, until I can get hold of some firmer numbers. Total number of personel in the ADF (Australian Defence Forces) is approximately 54,000. As for the breakdown it's similar to the following Australian Army (not all abbrev will be correct, checking) RAInf - Royal Australian Infantry Approx 6 Battalions (I'll have to check on this) RAEME - Royal Australian Electrical & Mechanical Engineers RAMC - Royal Australian Medical Corps RASig - Royal Australian Signals Corp AvN - Aviation Regiment (Mainly Helo Support) RAE - Royal Australian Engineers RAA - Royal Australian Artillery RAAC - Royal Australian Armoured Corp (Usually associated with Light Horse) RACT - Royal Australian Corp of Transport ------- - Ordanace Corp (Not sure of Abbrev) ------- - Meatheads...sorry Military Police (Not sure of Abbrev) ------- - Musicians SAS - Obvious one here, the best of the best...Special Air Service Probably more but as I said I'd need to check up on them Royal Australian Navy Royal Australian Airforce Unsure of the other arms breakup, will check for you though. > Also, how big is Australia in rough square mileage? Will check on this also, unless someone else gets in first. Ballistix *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:34:54 EST From: Damage169@cs.com Subject: Re: Equipment Guides You write: > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:03:59 -0600 > From: "Fugitivus" > Subject: guides > > what does the list feel are the best guides out there on equipment. the > janes guides or are there other good books. > > a friend said that janes do excellent books on armor. > > aaron One of the better firearm and equipment guides, IMHO, is the "Edge of the Sword" tech book put out a while ago by the R. Talsorian Games company. It includes only existing weaponry and equipment in an easy to use format, with game conversion guidelines for T2K and a whole lot of other game systems. It's out of print now, but I've seen a goodly number of them in discount/used sections in most of my local game shops. Simon Jester *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:44:39 EST From: Damage169@cs.com Subject: Plagues of Rats, Etc. You write: > I remember seeing something on PBS... But it was in India. People hunt the > rats as a living. I don't remember much of it, besides that. You sure > yours was Australia? > > Cor I remember seeing something about this on a "weird world" newsbit, except it was about a mouse population explosion in the central part of the country, around Alice Springs. A newsman was shown picking up a sheet of corrugated tin and about a thousand mice scattered from the light. A shot inside a shed showed a horde of mice so thick you couldn't see the floor: it was like a furry brown flood. Their explanation for it all was the increase in farming in the area along with the farmers killing off the local dingo population. I live in the US, so I don't know if this was all BS or not, but it seemed to be the real thing. Simon Jester *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #102 *************************************