twilight2000-digest Wednesday, February 9 2000 Volume 1999 : Number 093 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: Commo Re: Commo RE: Commo Re: Commo Re: Gun Trucks Re: Commo Technical Posts SV: Commo Polish language and stuff Re: Commo Re: Polish language and stuff Re: EMP Re: Commo RE: Commo Re: Commo Re: Polish language and stuff RE: Commo Re: Commo Re: Commo Re: Commo Field Manuals Re: Commo Re: Commo Re: Commo Grenade fragments ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 00:08:01 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Commo At 07:27 PM 2/7/00 -0500, Dwight Looney wrote: >No Chuck I was serious your stuff is a good read. Got to have some of the >real gouge, if you over simplify stuff you may lose accuracy. Don't change >nuthin' > Guys, please stop quoting 10K worth of text beneath a three-line message--especially when your message doesn't refer to the text. If you'd add whatever you're going to say _below_ the quoted text, not only would you be much less likely to do this (because you have to scroll through the whole text), but it would also be much clearer what you're referring to, since people could read the text yo urefer to _before_ reading your text. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:08:22 -0500 From: "Chuck Mandus" Subject: Re: Commo I just need to get a "round tuit." B-) Believe me, I almost got the ball rolling, just need the time first. B-) I'm like an elephant at times, I might be a little slow in doing some things, am a registered Republican, but I never forget. B-) - ---- "Truly those of us with brain cells are an oppressed minority..." - -- Jason Fox said after the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles had been cancelled. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Commo > >Yeah, I guess I was a bit technical there, time for me to start writing my > >radio primer and try to simplify things. B-) > > > >Chuck > > > >DE KA3WRW > > I remember that a certain Chuck said he'd do that last year! > Jim > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:49:44 -0800 (PST) From: GRAEBARDE Subject: RE: Commo CEOI stands for Communications-Electronics Operations Instructions Thanks for the lessons learned and being relearned. ===== F.O.R.D. Rangers! Lead the Way!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 06:21:20 -0000 From: "Roger Stenning" Subject: Re: Commo Just to add a little humour... Heard on an exercise, over the HF net, back in the eighties... After a long and, frankly boring, week long exercise, at 03:00 or so. The radio's been quiet (aside from the background mush) for hours. "...God, I'm bored..." The boss man, probably a Colonel, comes on-net, clipping his words, and audibly pissed off: "Hello, unknown callsign, this is zero alpha, say callsign, over" Bugger all is heard. The boss is clearly furious, and wants to take a name, probably so as to convene some form of court-martial later on... "Hello unknown callsign, this is zero alpha. I say again: Say callsign, over" bugger all is heard, until... "...I may be bored, but I'm not bloody stupid, sir..." It is unreported as to the reaction of zero alpha after that... 8-) Best regards, Roger Stenning Webmaster, the Impossible Scenarios Group www.the-isg.co.uk *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:39:57 -0800 (PST) From: GRAEBARDE Subject: Re: Gun Trucks Found the book!! Part of the Vietnam Studies Group series. VG (IMO) pics of various trucks, etc. Gun Trucks by Timothy J. Kutta isbn 0-89747-359-0 Squadron/Signal Publications 1115 Crowley Dr Carrollton TX 75011-5010 ===== F.O.R.D. Rangers! Lead the Way!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 01:53:44 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: Re: Commo Ok lets see if I can shed a little more light on this topic for those that want it. > Shaari's comments are right on the money. I totally forgot about that whole > authentication thing. Geeze, the years go fast. Yes it's authentication of a callsign, and it is done with codes. The codes change constantly so you better have the right set for the right time period. > It also reminded me about another thing on the radio's, all the wiring > connector's used metal circular connectors with rubber o-rings for a dust > seal. If you didn't lube the o-ring regularly with silicone, then after you > drove for a while in the rain (remember, no doors on Hummer's in the 82nd) > the connection would get funky and you would have to remove the connector > and clean it off. Funny that the sand didn't bother them that much in > Saudi. I don't know why. Usually you lube the seal just to get the connection on properly. > Anyway, the point I remembered is that there are certain things that > different people aren't supposed to do. Like disassemble the lower reciever > on a M16, open and service a broken radio, change the oil on a truck, etc... > Those things were only done by the people supposed to do it. The point is > that even though I used a radio for seemingly thousands of hours, I never > knew how to load the secure unit. Commo always did it. Signallers are usually the only one's who know how to load the codes into the secure units. In Australia this information is taught to most soldiers that come into contact with the unit. > No one but the battalion armorer is allowed to disassemble the lower > reciever on an M16. It has several small parts that can get lost and put > back together wrong. WAY too complicated for the average grunt in the > Army's view. True also, only the techs do this sort of work. However it doesn't mean that other soldiers don't know how to do it. Advanced infantry techniques specific to the tasks of the soldier can include such tasks if they relate to what the soldier does. An example of this is the disassebly of machine guns to allow better cleaning. > I did see a private drop a live grenade at his feet after pulling the pin. > He was so scared and nervous of the grenade, his left hand just sliped right > off the grenade, the spoon went flying and thunk onto the ground the live > grenade went. Luckily the Army anticipates these things and has a Drill > sergeant right in front of you while you do this. He grabbed the grenade, > tossed it out of the bunker, grabbed the guy by his helmet and drove his > face about 6 inches into the dirt. He sounds like he was lucky. In the grenade ranges here there is a cement area that you throw the grenades from. Near that area you have a sort of s shape corridor that leads to the throwing area. If you drop the grenade you are unceremoniously bounced from one wall to another as you moved out of the danger zone. ____________ | | | | | A | |_____|______| The area A would be the throwing area. Now onto other topics. The radio others refer to as the PRC-77 is known here as the ANPRC-77. A vietnam era VHF radio with a planning range of approx 8km or 6 miles. This is slowly being phased out in Australia by more advanced Raven VHF radios. I could get more detailed statistics on the radio if anyone wishes also, such as weight or accessories etc etc. Ballistix *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:20:30 -0000 From: "Mark Oliver" Subject: Technical Posts - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dwight Looney To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 12:27 AM Subject: Re: Commo > No Chuck I was serious your stuff is a good read. Got to have some of the > real gouge, if you over simplify stuff you may lose accuracy. Don't change > nuthin' > > Loonz Yeah some of it is technical and I do skimp some of it but I would ask you to continue posting in the same level of detail. It's a good read and just provides me with some more background info that I can slip into the games I run now and again. I know I don't comment too much but I've though some of the recent threads on here (dead bodies & EMP for example) have been really useful and have sure given me some ideas. Thanks to all who do take the time and have the knowledge to chip in, keep it up it's appreciated and well recieved. Regards, Mark *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:49:28 +0100 From: "Carl Roger Nilsen" Subject: SV: Commo >Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:22:15 -0600 >From: "Walter Rebsch" >Subject: RE: Commo > >Shaari's comments are right on the money. I totally forgot about that whole >authentication thing. Geeze, the years go fast. > >It also reminded me about another thing on the radio's, all the wiring >connector's used metal circular connectors with rubber o-rings for a dust >seal. If you didn't lube the o-ring regularly with silicone, then after you >drove for a while in the rain (remember, no doors on Hummer's in the 82nd) >the connection would get funky and you would have to remove the connector >and clean it off. Funny that the sand didn't bother them that much in >Saudi. I don't know why. > >Anyway, the point I remembered is that there are certain things that >different people aren't supposed to do. Like disassemble the lower reciever >on a M16, open and service a broken radio, change the oil on a truck, etc... >Those things were only done by the people supposed to do it. The point is >that even though I used a radio for seemingly thousands of hours, I never >knew how to load the secure unit. Commo always did it. If our unit started >taking casulties and commo wasn't around anymore, then there wouldn't be >anyone that knew how to do it. The complacency that the proper guy will >always be there to do it for you is rampant. Instead of giving a new Lt. a >radio and showing him how to use it, they give you a radio and a person to >operate it. So completely typical. Never mind that it handicaps the Lt >from that day on ... unless he has the personal initiative to learn it for >himself. I was a communications specialist in a small, company size unit. Everybody was supposed to be able to do those things there, and even the chefs learned how to fix things. I know this is quite unusual, so I'd like to mention it. But they were all very incompetent, which ultimately gave us comms people a double workload (fixing radios because someone tried to fix them). It shouldn't have taken commo much time to teach you the secrets of the secure unit. It's very easy to learn. However, it would probably be argued that it was only for qualified people with the proper military communications training. I wouldn't know if it would be so, though, as I am not familiar with your unit. > >No one but the battalion armorer is allowed to disassemble the lower >reciever on an M16. It has several small parts that can get lost and put >back together wrong. WAY too complicated for the average grunt in the >Army's view. With your later comment on the frequency of room-temperature IQs, there seems to be a very good reason for this. A working gun is more important than a working radio, in most cases. But I wholly support your opinion on the disadvantages should the "qualified" person be unavailable, short term or permanently. Qualified personell only is bullshit in many live situations. > >I never saw anyone place a claymore backwards, but I remember the >instructors going over the point many times. I wondered why they repeated >it so many times, and why they looked so nervous when they handed you an M72 >rocket launcher for the first time. > >I did see a private drop a live grenade at his feet after pulling the pin. >He was so scared and nervous of the grenade, his left hand just sliped right >off the grenade, the spoon went flying and thunk onto the ground the live >grenade went. Luckily the Army anticipates these things and has a Drill >sergeant right in front of you while you do this. He grabbed the grenade, >tossed it out of the bunker, grabbed the guy by his helmet and drove his >face about 6 inches into the dirt. I don't think I ever saw an ass chewing >as bad as what he got. That drill sergeant was about to kill that guy. >Ahhh, the memories of basic training.... > >It's amazing how completely 'ate up' (the term we used to describe someone >with a room temperature IQ) many people are. You know, our battalion >armorer, the one that had the key and security code to our battalion arms >room, was such an idiot that when we deployed to Saudi, he didn't even bring >his own rifle. He left it locked in the Arms room in Ft. Bragg. I guess he >thought they would send him back since he didn't have a rifle. Well, he >just got an article 15 (non-judicial punishment for those of you that don't >know) and was assigned a new rifle. It's really amazing some of the people >the Army lets in... > >Walter Does anybody have any first-hand experience with the new radio equipment that is being discussed all of a sudden? I would really like to have some tech specs for the game. Carl Roger Nilsen *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 07:01:10 -0600 From: Mitch Berg Subject: Polish language and stuff >Not anymore, no--when the borders were moved after WWII, most of the >Germans were physically expelled. There are a few Germans, and more people >with some German heritage, but the percentage of the population that's >German is something like 1% of the country's total population (if that much). True, and to be perfectly accurate, I was speaking historically. >The extreme northwestern parts of Poland (Pomerania and whatever is to the >south of Pomerania--can't remember what it's called) Pomorze, I remember - the other one I don't... >>And borders make remarkably porous barriers to language. >> >In the days before nation-states, sure--but with centralized public >education, language lines have hardened in the past century--and this is >probably especially true of places under Communist rule, with their >limitations on travel. Mind you, most educated Poles speak either English >or German. Again, I was speaking historically. And the odd thing - as I understand it - - is the Polish has changed very little since medieval times - the only European language to have done so. This is probably because (I suspect) the educated classes have spent most of the last 500 years speaking German, Russian, French and English. >Pancier? Never heard that one. The Polish word for tank is >"czolg"--though they may call German tanks something else, like we often >do. Pancier refers to "armor", as the German "Panzer" literally does - to a hunk of steel rather than a vehicle. I've seen "Pancierny" used as an adjective - "Armored". But take what I say with a grain - nay, a block - of salt. I don't actually speak the language, I've just picked up a few things. Mitch Berg Humanware Design, Inc. Business: http://www.humanwaredesign.com/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 04:33:41 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: Re: Commo Carl, > Does anybody have any first-hand experience with the new radio equipment > that is being discussed all of a sudden? > I would really like to have some tech specs for the game. This is a link to the radio equipment used by the US military. I had a quick look through it and by the looks it has all the specs included with the links. http://155.217.58.58/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/24-24/2424toc.htm I'd like to supply you with specs for the radios I use but I am unable to due to military restrictions. I'm looking for a web page for the company and if I find one I'll post it for you to look at. I've never used the equipment listed but others may have. Ballistix *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:32:39 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Polish language and stuff > > Pancier refers to "armor", as the German "Panzer" literally does - to a > hunk of steel rather than a vehicle. I've seen "Pancierny" used as an > adjective - "Armored". But take what I say with a grain - nay, a block - > of salt. I don't actually speak the language, I've just picked up a few > things. Pancierny means tankers as well (the people inside a tank, not the ships that carry oil heh). There was an old television show called 'We Four Tankers.' Well it doesn't sound that ackward in Polish. Anyway it was just about them, their tank (named Rusty) and their dog during WWII. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:42:02 -0500 From: "Dwight Looney" Subject: Re: EMP Subject: RE: EMP > -----Original Message----- > From: Billy Bob > In my last scenario a small (1 > kiloton) nuclear device went off just out of the reach of the PC's. They had > > a M1A1 Abrams MBT and 2.5 ton truck. I knocked out both with EMP. An > argument > ensued, and the ruling is on hold until I resolve this. > > >Billy Bob, Going completely from memory, and with no references about. It will fry any non shielded solid state component in your vehicle. This as far as mobility goes affects nearly exclusively the ignition system. A vehicle with an electronic ignition system is dead, one with points and a condenser are sort of dead. A mech would have to divert the system, I'm no mechanic and one can explain it to you, it's hard but not impossible. Also if you have solid state components on any of your peripheral systems like your alternator it's gone to, yes you can re rig around it, have a mechanic explain how. In a nut shell all those modern components will have to be replaced with stone age equivalents to emulate or replace the space age ones that got fried by the EMP. Having seen 2 deuce and a halfs with the hood up and a fella who's knowledge I trusted we determined the truck would be back up and running in minutes 15-20, by someone who knew how. The M1 is best left to a tread head or someone with experience with gas turbine ignition systems. IMHO the 2 and a half is up on successful mech rol in 15 minutes, twice for fail, 4 times for a critical failure. Same for HUMVEEs, and other light vehicles. The M1 is toast without parts and time to fabricate the new ones. I'm guessing many hours. Loonz *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:44:26 -0500 From: "Dwight Looney" Subject: Re: Commo Thanks for the lesson. Loonz - ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott David Orr To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 12:08 AM Subject: Re: Commo > At 07:27 PM 2/7/00 -0500, Dwight Looney wrote: > >No Chuck I was serious your stuff is a good read. Got to have some of the > >real gouge, if you over simplify stuff you may lose accuracy. Don't change > >nuthin' > > > Guys, please stop quoting 10K worth of text beneath a three-line > message--especially when your message doesn't refer to the text. If you'd > add whatever you're going to say _below_ the quoted text, not only would > you be much less likely to do this (because you have to scroll through the > whole text), but it would also be much clearer what you're referring to, > since people could read the text yo urefer to _before_ reading your text. > > Scott Orr > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:03:23 -0600 From: "Walter Rebsch" Subject: RE: Commo > I was a communications specialist in a small, company size unit. > Everybody was > supposed to be able to do those things there, and even the chefs > learned how to > fix things. Chefs?!? What kinda unit has Chefs? Even the guys that worked in our mess hall (they were in the Brigade level headquarters company) I'd hesitate to call a Chef. Maybe a "food heater upper guy". Never in all the countless field exercises did we have a meal that was actually prepared by them. It was T-rats or MRE's and that's it. Even thanksgiving dinner in Saudi was T-rats (I got KP duty that day, so I remember it vividly). If it was cold, maybe you could un-congeal your beef stew by sticking it on the engine block of you hummer. That was better than a beef stew popcile like we had to eat sometimes... OK maybe I'm a bit hard on the mess hall guys. They have thankless hard jobs ... if the recruiter told them what it was really going to be like they would have never joined ... Also, I was browsing around the web and ran across this site. Seems like it has lots of nice info on lots of different things. Probably most of you already knew about it, but for those of you who don't: http://www.cfcsc.dnd.ca/links/milorg/index.html Walter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:32:01 -0500 From: "Darren" Subject: Re: Commo Hey Walter... What Battallion you in the 82nd and when? I was 325th... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 17:48:34 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Polish language and stuff At 07:01 AM 2/8/00 -0600, Mitch Berg wrote: >Again, I was speaking historically. And the odd thing - as I understand it >- is the Polish has changed very little since medieval times - the only >European language to have done so. This is probably because (I suspect) >the educated classes have spent most of the last 500 years speaking German, >Russian, French and English. > The reverse, actually: Poland was one of the earliest nation-states. That means that Polish (like English and French) was a written, literary language, commonly used by the upper classes, hundreds of years before the other Slavic languages (save for Old Church Slavonic, and to an extent Czech--but Czech fell into disuse as a written language until a revival in the last 18th century). The other languages didn't undergo a process of standardization until the late 18th or 19th century, and hence you can't even refer to them as "languages" before that time (though local dialects probably would have changed over time more readily than a standardized langauge would). Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:59:46 -0600 From: "Walter Rebsch" Subject: RE: Commo > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com > [mailto:owner-twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of Darren > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 4:32 PM > To: twilight2000@lists.imagiconline.com > Subject: Re: Commo > > > Hey Walter... What Battallion you in the 82nd and when? I was > 325th... > S2 HHC 2/82 Avn 82 Abn For those that don't know, that means: Intelligence Staff, Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 2nd Battalion, 82nd Aviation Brigade, 82nd Airborne Division. I was there from mid 89 to early 92. Geeze, I'm such a dunce sometimes, I can't remember anymore what the 325 was. Was that in 1st Brigade (Devils in Baggy Pants, if I remember right)? Or did I get museum detail once too many and "Proud to be an American" fried all my brain cells? Have you heard of any more CAPEX's going on at Bragg? I tried looking at their web site but it wasn't helpful. Maybe I gotta call the base public affairs office to find out. Didn't it go on about a couple weeks after base cleanup, around the time of 'All American' week and the Division review idiocy? Walter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:27:05 +0100 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: Commo Hi, Peter! Trying to kill the keyboard, Peter Vieth (fitek@ix.netcom.com) produced 0,7K in 14 lines: > > A makeshift device from a few transistors > > scrounged, some tubes and coils of wire[1], stuck together with > > luck and gum and spit might react differently to a civilian > > model or a rugged 'drive a tank over me' military model. > I dunno I've built some crystal set radios and yes they would get smashed if > you step on them but they're so simple and small that really only smashing it > to bits can hurt it. And they dont even need batteries. That's true for crystal sets, but once you want an amplifier to actually hear stuff ... or if you cannot properly solder the pieces ... then you have not something you'll want mistreated. And now imagine you might want to build a transmitter too. - -Wolfgang *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:43:37 +0100 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: Commo Hi, shaari! Trying to kill the keyboard, shaari ladue (shaari1@hotmail.com) produced 3,0K in 54 lines: > Let me tell ya, the sheer number of > cadets who couldn't manage that task was astounding. Well, maybe not to you > guys, but to me it was. Here's a scary thought: You know how dumb the average person is? Now, half of them are even dumber ... > But hey, I guess I shouldn't have been surprised > after previous watching a fellow (well, at that point anyway) officer-to-be > stick a practice claymore mine in ground during a practice ambush, pointing > the wrong way. (complete with the letters "This Side Towards Enemy" facing > in their direction) And then proceed to pretend detonate said mine... Too bad it wasn't a real mine. Stupidity should be allowed to darwinate itself. > It was > amusing to inform a cadet private (read, freshman with about 2 months of > ROTC experience) that she was now in command of the squad and watch the > ensuing slaughter. Said cadet private then proceeded to almost slaughter the opposition, a performance he could never repeat again. Right? :-) - -Wolfgang *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:24:45 +0100 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: Commo Hi, Scott! Trying to kill the keyboard, Scott David Orr (sdorr@ix.netcom.com) produced 0,9K in 18 lines: > If you'd > add whatever you're going to say _below_ the quoted text, not only would > you be much less likely to do this (because you have to scroll through the > whole text), but it would also be much clearer what you're referring to, > since people could read the text yo urefer to _before_ reading your text. I hearthily agree to that. Remember some people pay for phone by the minute (me, for exaple, I pay between 1.5 to 4 cents per minute, no, no flat rate even for inner city connections). So remember: The answer belongs *below* the *shortened* original. Doing otherwise is as luserish as playing around with a gun, without ever checking if it was safe and unloaded, to the point of pointing the weapon at people. Noone sane in their mind would do that. - -Wolfgang *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:35:22 -0800 (PST) From: GRAEBARDE Subject: Field Manuals Re: Ballistix link to the FM on radios. It jogged the gray matter on the TRADOC [US Army Training and Doctrination] on line digital library. They list about 225 FM's [field manuals] on all types of military subjects from combat arms to most of the support. You can find them at www.adtdl.army.mil/adtdls.htm Keep the learning process rolling! ===== F.O.R.D. Rangers! Lead the Way!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:46:54 -0500 From: "Chuck Mandus" Subject: Re: Commo I know when my grandmother was little she told me a story that about 1919 or 1920, they had a crystal set to listen to KDKA here in Pittsburgh and to amplify the earphones, they took a horn off of the gramophone record player and hooked it to the earpiece for everyone to hear. According to her, it worked pretty well. I also have an old book from 1922 with a few projects on how to make crystal sets to even more sophisticated radio using DeForest audion tubes for regeneration and amplification. Transmitters, well, they can make simple ones if you're willing to stick to CW (Morse Code) where I have the "Radio Handbook - First Edition - 1935" (first printing too) where you can make a two tube transmitter. Also, there are even simple VHF AM mode voice transceivers that can be made be using one, two, or three tubes for use in the amateur 5-meter band (56 - 60 Mc) that was in existence from the 1920's to 1945 when they re-arranged some of the bands for television and FM radio. I've talked to another ham I know who remembers making those radios back in 1938 when he was first licensed. He told me that even the regenerative receivers put out a good signal and the transmitters tend to be "spectrum-hogs" for putting out a wide-band signal. I guess in a TW2K situation, I don't think the FCC will be around busting anybody. B-) BTW, there are many plans around to making a "Foxhole Radio" that were popular with the American G.I's. in World War Two by using a blued razor blade as the detector (crystal). Chuck DE KA3WRW - --- "Truly those of us with brain cells are an oppressed minority..." - -- Jason Fox said after the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles had been cancelled. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Weisselberg" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 8:27 AM Subject: Re: Commo > Hi, Peter! > > Trying to kill the keyboard, Peter Vieth (fitek@ix.netcom.com) > produced 0,7K in 14 lines: > > > > A makeshift device from a few transistors > > > scrounged, some tubes and coils of wire[1], stuck together with > > > luck and gum and spit might react differently to a civilian > > > model or a rugged 'drive a tank over me' military model. > > > I dunno I've built some crystal set radios and yes they would get smashed if > > you step on them but they're so simple and small that really only smashing it > > to bits can hurt it. And they dont even need batteries. > > That's true for crystal sets, but once you want an amplifier > to actually hear stuff ... or if you cannot properly solder the > pieces ... then you have not something you'll want mistreated. > And now imagine you might want to build a transmitter too. > > -Wolfgang > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:10:17 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Commo Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote: > > I dunno I've built some crystal set radios and yes they would get smashed if > > you step on them but they're so simple and small that really only smashing it > > to bits can hurt it. And they dont even need batteries. > > That's true for crystal sets, but once you want an amplifier > to actually hear stuff ... or if you cannot properly solder the > pieces ... then you have not something you'll want mistreated. > And now imagine you might want to build a transmitter too. > Also I must add that it's very hard to smash a crystal set radio since it is really just a resistor, a capacitor, a diode and wire *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:33:01 -0000 From: "Mark Oliver" Subject: Re: Commo - ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Mandus To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 3:46 AM Subject: Re: Commo <<< I know when my grandmother was little she told me a story that about 1919 or 1920, they had a crystal set to listen to KDKA here in Pittsburgh and to amplify the earphones, they took a horn off of the gramophone record player and hooked it to the earpiece for everyone to hear. >>> I made a few crystal sets when I was younger and we used to placed the earpiece in a round glass bowl that my mother used to mix cakes in. It worked quite well as well and my brother and sister could sit around the bowl and hear quite well. I presume that if you took the padding out of a helmet it would work in a very similar fashion. It's quite a good picture to imagine a small T2K infantry squad hunched around an upturned helmet and a small crystal radio listening to some message. Regards, Mark *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:27:55 +1300 From: Andrew Tiffany Subject: Grenade fragments Hi all, Here's a weird question for all you military hadware/accountant types: What would be a round figure for the number of fragments that you get out of a standard Fragmentation grenade? Is it more like fifty, a hundred, several hundred,....? Reason: have made an Excel program for T2K which takes the number of shots fired from a weapon, and the users skill, and works out what targets got hit and where. Made a similar thing for grenades that makes having a grenade land on top of you real bad, but need to know a very rough number of fragments from a grenade to use for the 'number of shots' input. At the moment I am using 100, and it gives good distribution over the primary and secondary burst radius simlar to the normal game mechanic, but is deadly up close (like 20 frangments into a target a couple of metres away from the centre). Cheers Andrew Tiffany *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #93 ************************************