twilight2000-digest Thursday, October 7 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 070 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: Is Anybody Out There? RE: Is Anybody Out There? exotic small arms The Steyr RE: The Steyr Re: The Steyr Re: The Steyr Re: The Steyr Re: The Steyr Re: The Steyr Re: The Steyr Signing up Kappaabz at AOL - where are you?! European/Other Twilight stuff? Re: European/Other Twilight stuff? Re: European/Other Twilight stuff? Re: European/Other Twilight stuff? Vs: European/Other Twilight stuff? Re: European/Other Twilight stuff? Australian Steyr bayonet Re: bayonet Re: bayonet Fw: Twilight 2000 RPG Collection Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia [T2K] Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia Re: [T2K] Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia Re: [T2K] Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:05:27 -0600 From: rogue09@sprynet.com Subject: Re: Is Anybody Out There? Calibur1@aol.com wrote: > Just Testing. > I've haven't received any mail from the message board and I was concerned. > Is there a problem, or is everyone just being shy? This happens all the time, the list slows up from time to allow us all to catch our breaths from the last exchanges... :-) T.R. - -- *************************************************************** "What about the truth? What about the public's right to know?!" "Oh, come on don't give me that... The public traded the right to know for the chance to watch a long time ago..." - --Len Kaminski (Writer) Ghost Rider: 2099 #6 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:04:30 -0500 From: "David Reed" Subject: RE: Is Anybody Out There? No. Shhhhh. > Is there a problem, or is everyone just being shy? Yes or no. Y2k is coming. Be vewwwy kwiet. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:16:34 +500 From: osborne6@wt.net Subject: exotic small arms Folks, I'm looking for some statistics or (better yet) games stats on some exotic small arms, like say the FN P-90, or the AK-100 or AN-94. I've tried finding information on the internet, but have come up with nil. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks John osborne6@wt.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:45:06 +1000 From: "Graeme Paine" Subject: The Steyr This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF0996.250FCC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was wondering what everyone thinks of the steyr that Australian forces = use. I have heard that the M203 can be fitted to it, anyone have info on = that? Thanks - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF0996.250FCC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was wondering what everyone thinks of the steyr = that=20 Australian forces use. I have heard that the M203 can be fitted to it, = anyone=20 have info on that? Thanks - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF0996.250FCC80-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:02:37 +1200 From: "Gray, Raymond" Subject: RE: The Steyr I find the steyr to be a very good weapon. The New Zealand Army uses the same weapon, manufactured in Australia. The 203 fits underneath, and indeed you will find most New Zealand rifle sections will have a pair of grenadiers now. The steyr is a lot lighter and has a much shorter barrel than the M16 we used previously which translates into great field accuracy. By this I mean snap or reaction shooting. The light weight and and shorter barrel allow a quick change of target. It is a has a lower maintenance requirement and is a lot more likely to survive in harsh environments than its peers. The SA80 is more accurate (on the range at least) but this accuracy advantage becomes negated in combat conditions. The SA80 however will jam, fall apart or misfire if it is not absolutely spotless and free from carbon buildup. The steyr meanwhile can survive for ages with a 'field strip' and clean that takes a couple of minutes a day. Cheers Raymond - -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Paine [mailto:blast@netconnect.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 1999 11:45 To: twilight2000@mpgn.com Subject: The Steyr I was wondering what everyone thinks of the steyr that Australian forces use. I have heard that the M203 can be fitted to it, anyone have info on that? Thanks *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:40:26 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: Re: The Steyr > The steyr is a lot lighter and has a much shorter barrel than the M16 we > used previously which translates into great field accuracy. By this I mean > snap or reaction shooting. The light weight and and shorter barrel allow a > quick change of target. Ok the Steyr actually comes with the option of 3 different barrel lengths. The Carbine is the shortest barrel, usually this is found with tank crews and in some cases is used in urban operations. The middle length is the standard infantry sized barrel. This length is a good allround length providing accuracy over range but still allowing the soldier decent usage in closed areas such as room clearances etc. The longest barrel is the sniper version, providing greater accuracy and has the option of allowing a bipod mount also. One thing to note is that the Steyr doesn't have a bayonet as such but can have a mount placed on the barrel to allow the attachment of a combat knife. The Aus-Steyr in earlier models did go through a phase where it was having a large number of stoppages due to a problem with the manufacture of the trigger mechanism. This has been resolved with later versions, as it had to do with the type of plastic used in the mechanism (well that's what us grunts were told anyway). Hope that helps Ballistix PS: Steyr have a webpage with heaps more detail on it about the weapon, unfortunately I've lost it since I had a HD crash. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:20:05 EDT From: Zek101@aol.com Subject: Re: The Steyr yea but try loading it in the prone *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:43:09 +1000 From: Damian Robinson Subject: Re: The Steyr > Graeme Paine wrote: > > I was wondering what everyone thinks of the steyr that Australian > forces use. I have heard that the M203 can be fitted to it, anyone > have info on that? > > Thanks Well the M203 can be fitted, but its taken some time to get it working correctly (originally it threw out the zero every time you fired the 40 mm), and I know the NZ regular army has them. The Australians still use M79's, at least until the new 203's can be afforded in the budget! Compared to the old SLR, the Steyr is easier to shot, lighter, and much easier to do fire and movement with. However, the round isn't as good at shooting through tree's and walls as the old 7.62. The steyr is at least (almost) controllable in full auto. No-where as good on the bayonet course though... - -- Cheers Damian & Leigh-anne Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dreamworld/4808/ ICQ? His #14030875 Hers #37896626 "Guns are no more responsible for killing people than spoons are responsible for making Rosie O'Donnell and Oprah Winfrey fat." -- Unknown *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:42:21 +1000 From: Damian Robinson Subject: Re: The Steyr Zek101@aol.com wrote: > > yea but try loading it in the prone > Its no harder than any other Assault rifle. you still have to squirm around to reload. (and I've used the M16, the SLR and the Steyr btw) Its just the way you squirm that changes. - -- Cheers Damian & Leigh-anne Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dreamworld/4808/ ICQ? His #14030875 Hers #37896626 "Guns are no more responsible for killing people than spoons are responsible for making Rosie O'Donnell and Oprah Winfrey fat." -- Unknown *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:13:07 +0100 From: "Roger Stenning" Subject: Re: The Steyr Zek101@aol.com wrote: > > yea but try loading it in the prone Piece of piss, mate. I used to use the L85A1 in the RMP(v), and it's a little different from the AUG, it's the same format, slightly different mag release, but intrinsically, the same process. Just takes a little more training, is all. Prone, Standing, Crouched, Kneeling, Squatting, Cross-legged, Rear Prone, Side Prone, single or double-handed, off-hand, good hand, uncle tom cobbly and all. Makes bugger all difference to me. I still hit the damn targets with varying degrees of reasonable accuracy. BTW, in my time in the RMP, I also used many other weapons; the Browning Mk2 9mmP pistol (and many others), Stirling 9mmP smg, H&K MP5 series smgs (several), HK53A5, G3 and 33, Type 51 Chinese AK clone, to name a few. Changing mags on any of them is simple, straight-forward, and can be accomplished in seconds. Just like the L85A1 and AUG. Once a trained Soldier, always a Trained Soldier... HTH! Best regards, Roger Stenning ex-Corporal, RMP(v), British Territorial Army Roger Stenning Intelligent Web Design Services http://iws.n3.net/ Contact me for my PGP Public Key. Main ISG gateway site: http://isg.n3.net/ Impossible Scenarios Group main web site: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/index.html Visit the Millennium's End London Sourcebook! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/melsb/melsb_index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:31:41 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: Re: The Steyr > Compared to the old SLR, the Steyr is easier to shot, lighter, and > much easier to do fire and movement with. However, the round isn't as > good at shooting through tree's and walls as the old 7.62. The steyr > is at least (almost) controllable in full auto. No-where as good on > the bayonet course though... Ok, my next two cents worth now :) The bayonet is usually the problem here though, like I mentioned in a previous post in Aust a combat knife is attached the knife however is rather easy to snap if a target is thrust at hard enough and the bayonet is not withdrawn in a straight line. The M16 bayonet also fits and has been found to be more durable (or cheaper). On a different subject though, the Steyr has the option to mount different sighting systems on the weapon. The drawback for some of these systems is the height of the soldiers head above the barrel of the weapon. For example the PVS4A night sight would place the soldiers eye about 15 to 20 cm above the line of the barrel. This would make a rather nice target to most enemy. So as with any weapon it has advantages and disadvantages. Oh yeah and don't underestimate the SS109 round which is used. Fair enough it doesn't have quite as much punch as the 7.62 round but it sure can make a mess of cover and also the internals of a person. I've seen the effect it has on a kangaroo.....turned the pelvic area into something resembling the aftermath of a blender. Ballistix *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Josh Baumgartner Subject: Signing up It's been so long since I signed up, I forgot how. I have a friend who wants to join, I know its simple, what's the format? Thanks, Josh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:48:39 +0100 From: "Roger Stenning" Subject: Kappaabz at AOL - where are you?! Hi, folks; Sorry to use this mailing list for such a problem, but I can't contact someone who contributed to the Merc:2000 INTSUM website (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/intsum/index.html) some time ago, as his e-mail address now bounces. He contributed the "Revised Hit Chart" and "Starting Funds in Twilight:2000". Previously, his e-mail address was kappaabz@aol.com; Would the kind gent please contact me off-list, with his new e-mail address, please? Many thanks. Best regards, Roger Stenning Intelligent Web Design Services http://iws.n3.net/ Contact me for my PGP Public Key. Main ISG gateway site: http://isg.n3.net/ Impossible Scenarios Group main web site: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/index.html Visit the Millennium's End London Sourcebook! http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/melsb/melsb_index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:13:12 -0500 From: Rob Barnes Subject: European/Other Twilight stuff? Hey all, I've heard there were several sourcebooks/adventures produced for Twilight/Merc:2000 outside the USA. Have any of you seen any of them? Are they any good? Know where I could find them? Thanks, - -Rob *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:18:10 +0200 From: Sebastian Kehrle Subject: Re: European/Other Twilight stuff? Rob Barnes schrieb: > Hey all, > > I've heard there were several sourcebooks/adventures produced for > Twilight/Merc:2000 outside the USA. Have any of you seen any of them? > Are they any good? Know where I could find them? > > Thanks, > > -Rob > Hi Rob, I've never heard of it.... cu Cybastian *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:02:34 -0400 From: "Dwight Looney" Subject: Re: European/Other Twilight stuff? Subject: European/Other Twilight stuff? > Hey all, > > I've heard there were several sourcebooks/adventures produced for > Twilight/Merc:2000 outside the USA. Have any of you seen any of them? > Are they any good? Know where I could find them? There were 4 Finnish titles. Allot of people assume they're were others, which is not the case. Loonz *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:52:30 -0500 From: Rob Beck Subject: Re: European/Other Twilight stuff? At 01:13 pm 9/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hey all, > >I've heard there were several sourcebooks/adventures produced for >Twilight/Merc:2000 outside the USA. Have any of you seen any of them? >Are they any good? Know where I could find them? The only ones I know of were three produced in Finland. Of course, they were also written in Finnish. There are a few list members from Finland, I think, still who would be able to give you more info on them. I'll search my archives to see if I have any more info. Rob. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:57:25 +0200 From: "Pasi Parviainen" Subject: Vs: European/Other Twilight stuff? >Hey all, > >I've heard there were several sourcebooks/adventures produced for >Twilight/Merc:2000 outside the USA. Have any of you seen any of them? >Are they any good? Know where I could find them? > >Thanks, > >-Rob > There are few Finnish products for TW:2000 which I know (and they are all written in finnish ): - Version 2.2 rules set - Version 1.0 rules set and - 'Kööpenhaminaan', scenario in Copenhagen and Finland (if i remeber right) - 'Erikoisjoukot', sourcebook of Special Forces, includes Finish 'Sissi' too ;) - 'Pohjoismaat', sourcebook of Finland, Sweden, Norway and other 'Northern Europe' countries. - -PasiP *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:51:56 +0300 (EDT) From: Janne Kemppi Subject: Re: European/Other Twilight stuff? > At 01:13 pm 9/30/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Hey all, > > > >I've heard there were several sourcebooks/adventures produced for > >Twilight/Merc:2000 outside the USA. Have any of you seen any of them? > >Are they any good? Know where I could find them? > > The only ones I know of were three produced in Finland. Of course, they > were also written in Finnish. There are a few list members from Finland, I > think, still who would be able to give you more info on them. I'll search > my archives to see if I have any more info. I wrote two of them. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:30:25 +1000 From: "Graeme Paine" Subject: Australian Steyr I was wondering what everyone thinks of the steyr that Australian forces use. I have heard that the M203 can be fitted to it, anyone have info on that? Thanks *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 03:12:37 -0700 From: Peter Vieth Subject: bayonet I went over to my friend's house to borrow his soldering iron, his garage is full of odd stuff and theres always something new and strange laying about. I asked him about several things including a somewhat rusty bayonet he had laying on the table. He has no idea where it came from or how long it has been lyng around the house. It has the cut in the handle to attach it to a rifle as well as a 24mm hole in the hilt where I guess the barrel would go. It is rather plain except for a star on the blade with a semi circle underneath the star that has 3 points on it. The scabbard is plain too. He fancies it might be Russian, I just wonder if anyone out there has any ideas about it? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 14:14:15 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: bayonet At 03:12 AM 10/3/99 -0700, Peter Vieth wrote: >I went over to my friend's house to borrow his soldering iron, his >garage is full of odd stuff and theres always something new and strange >laying about. I asked him about several things including a somewhat >rusty bayonet he had laying on the table. He has no idea where it came >from or how long it has been lyng around the house. It has the cut in >the handle to attach it to a rifle as well as a 24mm hole in the hilt >where I guess the barrel would go. It is rather plain except for a star >on the blade with a semi circle underneath the star that has 3 points on >it. The scabbard is plain too. He fancies it might be Russian, I just >wonder if anyone out there has any ideas about it? > You might try posting this question to a newsgroup like soc.history.war.misc on Usenet. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 14:28:14 -0500 From: Rob Barnes Subject: Re: bayonet I'm no expert, but the emblem sounds a little like a star and crescent moon, which is a common insignia in the various arab mid-east nations. I'm not sure what you are describing with regards to "three points". If you are saying that 3 points of the star are touching the crescent, then I would say it is definitely middle eastern in origin. Iraqi, perhaps. - -Rob Peter Vieth wrote: > I went over to my friend's house to borrow his soldering iron, his > garage is full of odd stuff and theres always something new and strange > laying about. I asked him about several things including a somewhat > rusty bayonet he had laying on the table. He has no idea where it came > from or how long it has been lyng around the house. It has the cut in > the handle to attach it to a rifle as well as a 24mm hole in the hilt > where I guess the barrel would go. It is rather plain except for a star > on the blade with a semi circle underneath the star that has 3 points on > it. The scabbard is plain too. He fancies it might be Russian, I just > wonder if anyone out there has any ideas about it? > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:01:31 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: Fw: Twilight 2000 RPG Collection This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BF0F42.827AB040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saw these for sale on the newsgroups. - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kevin Combs=20 Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.marketplace Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 12:36 AM Subject: FS: Twilight 2000 RPG Collection I have the following GDW Twilight 2000 items for sale (43 total item - = just above covers all produced items for T2K). I am selling only as a = set. All items are GDW except the one 3W product City of Angels. I = have included the item name and code for each item. All modules are in = excellent to mint shape. Three of the modules have numerous scuff marks = on the covers from shelf wear. That does not affect the booklet inside. = Name Code (GDW or 3W)=20 Boxed Rules Set - 1st Edition 500=20 Rules 2.2 2000=20 Merc: 2000 2005=20 Special Operations 2012=20 Referee's Screen 2015=20 Infantry Weapons of the World 2002=20 American Combat Vehicles 2003=20 Bangkok 2006=20 Gazetteer 2008=20 Naitical/Aviation Handbook 2009=20 Twilight Nightmares 2010=20 East Europe Sourcebook 2017=20 Castle by the Sea 2014=20 3W - City of Angles 401=20 Operation Crouching Dragon 2016=20 Rendezvous in Krakow 2018=20 Free City of Krakow 501=20 Free City of Krakow 501=20 Pirates of the Vistula 502=20 The Ruins of Warsaw 503=20 The Black Madonna 505=20 Going Home 506=20 Red Star/White Star 507=20 RDF Sourcebook 508=20 Armies of the Night 509=20 Gateway to the Spanish Main 512=20 King's Ransom 513=20 Soviet Vehicle Guide 514=20 Urban Guerilla 515=20 The Last Submarine 517=20 Kidnapped 518=20 Howling Wilderness 519=20 Mediterranean Cruise 520=20 Boomer 521=20 Satellite Down 522=20 Return to Warsaw 523=20 Bear's Den 524=20 Heavy Weapons Guide 525=20 NATO Vehicle Guide 526=20 White Eagle 527=20 Survivor's Guide to the United Kingdom 528=20 Last Battle (Boxed Set) 551=20 Twilight Encounters (Boxed Set) 552=20 The last two items are boxed sets that are unpunched. I am asking = $250.00 plus shipping and handling for the lot. Please feel free to = make an offer for I am looking for some items in trade: GDW Space 1889, = GDW Scorched Earth, any ASL items, and GRD's For Whom the Bells Toll.=20 Please email with any questions, etc. Thanks for looking!=20 - --=20 "We should have freed the slaves, then fired on Fort Sumter."=20 General James Longstreet=20 Kevin Combs=20 Columbia, MD=20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BF0F42.827AB040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saw these for sale on the newsgroups. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kevin = Combs Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.marketplace Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 12:36 AM Subject: FS: Twilight 2000 RPG Collection I have the following GDW Twilight 2000 = items for=20 sale (43 total item - just above covers all produced items for = T2K). I am=20 selling only as a set. All items are GDW except the one 3W product = City of=20 Angels. I have included the item name and code for each = item. All=20 modules are in excellent to mint shape. Three of the modules have = numerous=20 scuff marks on the covers from shelf wear. That does not affect = the=20 booklet inside.=20 Name Code (GDW or 3W) Boxed Rules Set - 1st Edition = 500=20 Rules 2.2 2000 Merc: 2000 2005 Special = Operations 2012 Referee's Screen 2015 Infantry = Weapons=20 of the World 2002 American Combat Vehicles 2003=20 Bangkok 2006 Gazetteer 2008 = Naitical/Aviation=20 Handbook 2009 Twilight Nightmares 2010 East = Europe=20 Sourcebook 2017 Castle by the Sea 2014 3W - = City of=20 Angles 401 Operation Crouching Dragon 2016 = Rendezvous=20 in Krakow 2018 Free City of Krakow 501 Free = City of=20 Krakow 501 Pirates of the Vistula 502 The = Ruins of=20 Warsaw 503 The Black Madonna 505 Going Home = 506=20 Red Star/White Star 507 RDF Sourcebook 508=20 Armies of the Night 509 Gateway to the Spanish Main = 512 King's Ransom 513 Soviet Vehicle Guide = 514=20 Urban Guerilla 515 The Last Submarine 517=20 Kidnapped 518 Howling Wilderness 519=20 Mediterranean Cruise 520 Boomer 521 = Satellite=20 Down 522 Return to Warsaw 523 Bear's Den = 524=20 Heavy Weapons Guide 525 NATO Vehicle Guide 526 = White Eagle 527 Survivor's Guide to the United = Kingdom=20 528 Last Battle (Boxed Set) 551 Twilight = Encounters=20 (Boxed Set) 552=20 The last two items are boxed sets that are unpunched. I am = asking=20 $250.00 plus shipping and handling for the lot. Please feel free = to make=20 an offer for I am looking for some items in trade: GDW Space 1889, = GDW=20 Scorched Earth, any ASL items, and GRD's For Whom the Bells Toll.=20 Please email with any questions, etc. Thanks for looking!=20 -- "We should have freed the slaves, then fired on Fort Sumter."=20 General James Longstreet=20 Kevin Combs Columbia, MD - ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BF0F42.827AB040-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 21:46:32 EDT From: REBEL P ENGLISH Subject: Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:02:17 -0700 Peter Vieth writes: >Zek101@aol.com wrote: > >> FREE CITY OF KRAKO. THE CAN MAKE AMMO, AND HAVE MORE AMERICANS SERVING WITH THEM > >Yes I'm sure the latter would always turn the tide of war :) > Yea, Right... ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 21:46:32 EDT From: REBEL P ENGLISH Subject: Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:11:30 -0400 Scott David Orr writes: >At 02:25 PM 9/16/99 -0700, ignatius wrote: >> >> Who do you think would win in a war between the Free >>City of Krakow and The Margravate of Silesia? > >What are they fighting over? Who's the margravate (isn't it Margrave?) of Silesia? ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:12:51 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia At 09:46 PM 10/5/99 EDT, REBEL P ENGLISH wrote: > >On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:11:30 -0400 Scott David Orr >writes: >>At 02:25 PM 9/16/99 -0700, ignatius wrote: >>> >>> Who do you think would win in a war between the Free >>>City of Krakow and The Margravate of Silesia? >> >>What are they fighting over? > >Who's the margravate (isn't it Margrave?) of Silesia? > A margravate is I think the domain of a margrave. I don't remember though who the margrave is, but do remember that he's mad. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:14:44 +500 From: osborne6@wt.net Subject: Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia > >On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:02:17 -0700 Peter Vieth >writes: >>Zek101@aol.com wrote: >> >>> FREE CITY OF KRAKO. THE CAN MAKE AMMO, AND HAVE MORE AMERICANS SERVING >WITH THEM >> >>Yes I'm sure the latter would always turn the tide of war :) >> >Yea, Right... Who was it that said something to the effect that "Logistics wins wars"? Whomever can out supply the other would likely be the more victorious party (barring intervention by any third parties, ie the Soviets). John osborne6@wt.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 22:54:24 EDT From: REBEL P ENGLISH Subject: [T2K] Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia Warning: a hardcore gamer has arrived....But I'm not Spooky... ...Yet! ? Rebel P.E. Esq. On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:14:44 +500 osborne6@wt.net writes: >>On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:02:17 -0700 Peter Vieth >>writes: >>>Zek101@aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> FREE CITY OF KRAKO. THE CAN MAKE AMMO, AND HAVE MORE AMERICANS SERVING WITH THEM >>> >>>Yes I'm sure the latter would always turn the tide of war :) >>> >>Yea, Right... > >Who was it that said something to the effect that "Logistics wins >wars"? Whomever can out supply the other would likely be the more victorious >party (barring intervention by any third parties, i e the Soviets). > >John >osborne6@wt.net Yes, but supplies don't win wars, Troops do. American troops are very good but the technical hardware makes them even better. There are only 4 things that can beat the american soldier. 1) American bureaucracy - like Vietnam. 2) Ego - Our troops are not John Wayne/supermen/etc but this spoon fed to them every day in the military 3) Numbers - The lack of size of our military/the size of others (#1 example is China) 4) In T2K, the fact that the US is no longer supporting them in the fine (LOL) American manner they are accustom to. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:31:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Wiberg Subject: Re: [T2K] Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia > Yes, but supplies don't win wars, Troops do. American troops are very > good but the technical hardware makes them even better. There are only 4 > things that can beat the american soldier. > > 1) American bureaucracy - like Vietnam. > 2) Ego - Our troops are not John Wayne/supermen/etc but this spoon fed to > them every day in the military > 3) Numbers - The lack of size of our military/the size of others (#1 > example is China) > 4) In T2K, the fact that the US is no longer supporting them in the fine > (LOL) American manner they are accustom to. > In the case of nuked out craters that were once industrial centers, with little or no command left controling the fragments of what were their collective forces. Supplies become very important....he who has the most ammo wins. Several battle in WWII were won due to supply, in some extreme cases, literally, whoever run out of shells or bullets first. In the context of the game and area, those with the best production and numbers will win...it's only a matter of time. If someone with inferior numbers but good arty is around, it goes back to supply :) Ray aka Jack Frost *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 00:18:43 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: [T2K] Re: Free City of Krakow vs The Margravate of Silesia At 08:31 PM 10/6/99 -0700, Ray Wiberg wrote: >> Yes, but supplies don't win wars, Troops do. American troops are very >> good but the technical hardware makes them even better. There are only 4 >> things that can beat the american soldier. >> >> 1) American bureaucracy - like Vietnam. >> 2) Ego - Our troops are not John Wayne/supermen/etc but this spoon fed to >> them every day in the military >> 3) Numbers - The lack of size of our military/the size of others (#1 >> example is China) >> 4) In T2K, the fact that the US is no longer supporting them in the fine >> (LOL) American manner they are accustom to. >> >In the case of nuked out craters that were once industrial centers, with >little or no command left controling the fragments of what were their >collective forces. Supplies become very important....he who has the most >ammo wins. Several battle in WWII were won due to supply, in some extreme >cases, literally, whoever run out of shells or bullets first. > >In the context of the game and area, those with the best production and >numbers will win...it's only a matter of time. If someone with inferior >numbers but good arty is around, it goes back to supply :) > It's only true in long, drawn-out wars that logistics win. In a short conflict, a single battle decided by chance can turn the whole war. And anything in a the post-Holocaust world could quite probably be short, since the forces involved are small and the ability to support them for long periods is also small, while the ability to manufacture new weapons is practically nil. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #70 ************************************