twilight2000-digest Thursday, September 2 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 068 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: Rail Guns Re: Rail Guns Re: Rail Guns Re: Rail Guns Re: M16 Re: Rail Guns Re: M16/Mercury Bullets Re: M16 t2k - Re: t2k - Re: t2k - Behind Enemy Lines Re: Rail Guns Re: t2k - Re: Rail Guns Re: Behind Enemy Lines Re: Behind Enemy Lines Re: t2k - Re: t2k - Re: Rail Guns Re: t2k - Re: t2k - Re: Video Conference Video Conference Re: Video Conference want to by. Re: t2k - Re: t2k - RE: t2k - Re: Behind Enemy Lines Re: want to by. Re: t2k - Re: Behind Enemy Lines Re: Behind Enemy Lines Re: Behind Enemy Lines ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:43:34 +0100 From: "Roger Stenning" Subject: Re: Rail Guns Peter Vieth wrote... > All right, all right-- I have to admit I have it on tape somewhere. As an action > movie it is amusing, but it isn't a very good remake :) I suppose sharing 10% of > the plot of the original made it worthy of the name (and we know just how high > quality Golan-Globus productions are! heh). And who can't appreciate some good ol' > German bashing, Hogan's Heroes style? I preferred Kelly's Heroes, myself ... Clint Eastwood, Donal Sutherland, Telly Savalas, and a host of others, raiding a Bank in Enemy-Held territory... "Like, hey, man... Cool..." Best regards, Roger Stenning ISG Web Design Services http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html Contact me for my PGP Public Key. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:11:51 -0700 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Rail Guns Peter Vieth wrote: > Scott David Orr wrote: > > > At 10:22 PM 8/29/99 -0700, Peter Vieth wrote: > > > > > >There was an armored German train in King Solomon's Mines (at least in the .. > > >ugh... remake I've never seen the beginning of the original). > > > > How dare you! That was the greatest movie ever made! At least, that was > > the greatest continuity in the history of adventure movies, and therefore > > very funny (e.g. Sharon Stone's shorts--but you have to watch carefully). :) > > > > Scott Orr > > All right, all right-- I have to admit I have it on tape somewhere. As an action > movie it is amusing, but it isn't a very good remake :) I suppose sharing 10% of > the plot of the original made it worthy of the name (and we know just how high > quality Golan-Globus productions are! heh). And who can't appreciate some good ol' > German bashing, Hogan's Heroes style? > Found it! it's taped off Fox too! hehe. "Uncle Dorfmann will be very good to you!" That line alone warrants having a copy :) - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://sanitarium.computers-radio.com]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:04:36 -0400 From: Tim Riess Subject: Re: Rail Guns > > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:51:53 -0400 > From: Scott David Orr > Subject: Re: Rail Guns > > At 11:10 PM 8/29/99 -0700, Peter Vieth wrote: > >Scott David Orr wrote: > > > >> How long it takes to repair torn-up track depends on how effective it's > >> torn up. If you just knock the rails (and maybe crossties) out of place, > >> it's pretty easy to fix--the further you can pull the ties away, the > >> further someone else has to pull them back, though you have to do exactly > >> as much work as he does. If you really want to mess up the track, though, > >> you pick up the rails (and possibly the crossties) and take them with > >> you--but you have to have some way to take them; if you don't have a way to > >> carry them, what you do is heat up the rails and wrap them around trees (or > >> something similar), making them useless (you can't really straighten them > >> out I don't think) > > > >I think straightening them and actually getting them hot while they are > >attached to a tree would be equally difficult. Maybe if you set the tree > >on fire. I remember reading somewhere that in some places the rails get > >warped so badly by the heat of the sun at times that people from the train > >will fix them as it goes along. > > > I've read about rails being destroyed by bending this way, I think during > the U.S. Civil War--of course, the quality of steel back then may have been > a lot lower, and so it might be harder to do nowadays, but I don't know for > sure. Getting them hot enough would be the hard part--after that you just > need big tongs or something of the sort to lift them without burning > yourself--chains would probably do the trick as well. > > Scott Orr Late in the US Civil War, General Sherman's men would make a pyramid out of the ties, lay the rails over them, then light the ties on fire. If a hot enough fire resulted, the rails would warp on their own. If not, they used chains and ice tongs to wrap them around trees. These were called Sherman's Neckties. It was quite impossible to reuse them for rails. Also the strength if the rails is much better in the 20th century, then in the 19th. However for T2k, I feel it wouldn't be "that" difficult to warp them out of shape. Maybe a half a days work by a crew of 10 or so (?). Tim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:20:12 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Rail Guns At 12:04 PM 8/31/99 -0400, Tim Riess wrote: >> >Also the strength if the rails is much better in the 20th century, then >in the 19th. However for T2k, I feel it wouldn't be "that" difficult to >warp them out of shape. Maybe a half a days work by a crew of 10 or so >(?). > I don't think you could be sure that rails in ex-Communist countries would be of high quality--they had notorious problems with quality control. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:45:08 -0700 From: Ron Hale Subject: Re: M16 matthew henley wrote: could any one tell me what versens of the M16 have full auto I believe all versions other than the A2. thanks Your welcome. TTFN Ron Hale *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:00:00 -0700 From: Ron Hale Subject: Re: Rail Guns The biggest problem everyone seems to point out, as the hard part to warpping tracks, is making them hot enough. I don't know the temperature off hand thats needed but if I'm not mistaken, a Thermite Grenade should produce more than enough heat to warp them. I mean it burns hot enough to weld(melt) metal. TTFN Ron Hale *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:42:22 -0500 From: Steve Chymy Subject: Re: M16/Mercury Bullets Randy Knight wrote: > Most Likely, he was speaking of mercury fulminate (sp?). The idea here is to > make a round which explodes on impact, they are kind of 'iffy' in their > reliability though.as far as the T2K usefullness, as long as you have > someone with chemestry and access to mercury, I would give them a chance > (allong with a chance to blow their own hands off too). Oh, and yes, these > rounds would also contravene the Hague convention, but then, I guess there > wont exactly be a war crimes tribunal to be convened in the T2K world now, > would there? }:] > You are right, they are mercury filament bullets, I asked today, Would you have an idea of how dangerous these bullets would be for the receiver? Would these bullets cause mercury poisoning? Steve *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:47:34 -0500 From: Steve Chymy Subject: Re: M16 Randy Knight wrote: > Most Likely, he was speaking of mercury fulminate (sp?). The idea here is to > make a round which explodes on impact, they are kind of 'iffy' in their > reliability though.as far as the T2K usefullness, as long as you have > someone with chemestry and access to mercury, I would give them a chance > (allong with a chance to blow their own hands off too). Oh, and yes, these > rounds would also contravene the Hague convention, but then, I guess there > wont exactly be a war crimes tribunal to be convened in the T2K world now, > would there? }:] > You are right, they are mercury filament bullets, I asked today, Would you have an idea of how dangerous these bullets would be for the receiver? Would these bullets cause mercury poisoning? Steve *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:55:04 EDT From: REBEL P ENGLISH Subject: t2k - I am setting up a campaign in Poland and wanted any advice you (as in anyone) wanted to give... What is the common weapon that a civilian Polish people would have (other then what they might pick up off of dead soldiers where can I find a character sheet online? ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:57:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Wiberg Subject: Re: t2k - Hell 0, Communist nations (and captialist ones as well) are not often fond of arming their populous. At best they might have hunting rifles or shotguns, but I imagine that gun control was in full swing during the alternate T2K timeline. Even in The UK or Austraila you will find that firearms are VERY rare. I haven't found any character sheets online so I can't help you there (they are however quite asy to make). Prost, Ray On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, REBEL P ENGLISH wrote: > I am setting up a campaign in Poland and wanted any advice you (as in > anyone) wanted to give... > > What is the common weapon that a civilian Polish people would have (other > then what they might pick up off of dead soldiers > > where can I find a character sheet online? > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:00:00 -0400 From: "Dwight Looney" Subject: Re: t2k - > where can I find a character sheet online? http://t2k.findhere.com I have one and there are more links to other sites. Loonz *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:18:04 EDT From: Calibur1@aol.com Subject: Behind Enemy Lines I am looking for a boxed edition (complete and intact contents) of "Behind Enemy Lines," a W.W.II RPG by FASA. This was a great war sim in its' time, and I'd like to restart my old campaign. If anyone knows where I can find a copy I'd much appreciate it. - -Billy Bob *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:28:53 +0800 From: "Ballistix" Subject: Re: Rail Guns Another way t o warp rails is wait for a hot day and plug the expansion gaps could be one of their ingenious ways they try. Ballistix - ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott David Orr To: Sent: Wednesday, 1 September 1999 5:20 Subject: Re: Rail Guns > At 12:04 PM 8/31/99 -0400, Tim Riess wrote: > >> > >Also the strength if the rails is much better in the 20th century, then > >in the 19th. However for T2k, I feel it wouldn't be "that" difficult to > >warp them out of shape. Maybe a half a days work by a crew of 10 or so > >(?). > > > I don't think you could be sure that rails in ex-Communist countries would > be of high quality--they had notorious problems with quality control. > > Scott Orr > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:23:28 -0700 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: t2k - REBEL P ENGLISH wrote: > I am setting up a campaign in Poland and wanted any advice you (as in > anyone) wanted to give... > > What is the common weapon that a civilian Polish people would have (other > then what they might pick up off of dead soldiers > > where can I find a character sheet online? Only hunters were allowed to have shotguns and hunting rifles, and they were fairly expensive, though I suppose anyone who does have them would know how to use them (you wouldn't have one as a novelty). They were confiscated during martial law in '81 so the same thing would happen in t2k. - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://sanitarium.computers-radio.com]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:25:12 -0700 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Rail Guns Scott David Orr wrote: > At 12:04 PM 8/31/99 -0400, Tim Riess wrote: > >> > >Also the strength if the rails is much better in the 20th century, then > >in the 19th. However for T2k, I feel it wouldn't be "that" difficult to > >warp them out of shape. Maybe a half a days work by a crew of 10 or so > >(?). > > > I don't think you could be sure that rails in ex-Communist countries would > be of high quality--they had notorious problems with quality control. > > Scott Orr They weren't of high quality, and, in many cases, the engineering was poor too (gaps were too small). On a hot day theres was a good chance a train couldn't even run. I doubt this has changed in the '90s. - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://sanitarium.computers-radio.com]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Wiberg Subject: Re: Behind Enemy Lines Hi, I assume you have tried ebay and other online auctioning. Gamescape out of San Fran is a company that specializes in out of print games. Give them a try, they do COD and Credit Card ordering, but I'm not sure if they have any online resources. Prost, Ray On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 Calibur1@aol.com wrote: > I am looking for a boxed edition (complete and intact contents) of "Behind > Enemy Lines," a W.W.II RPG by FASA. This was a great war sim in its' time, > and I'd like to restart my old campaign. If anyone knows where I can find a > copy I'd much appreciate it. > -Billy Bob > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Wiberg Subject: Re: Behind Enemy Lines Hi, I assume you have tried ebay and other online auctioning. Gamescape out of San Fran is a company that specializes in out of print games. Give them a try, they do COD and Credit Card ordering, but I'm not sure if they have any online resources. Prost, Ray On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 Calibur1@aol.com wrote: > I am looking for a boxed edition (complete and intact contents) of "Behind > Enemy Lines," a W.W.II RPG by FASA. This was a great war sim in its' time, > and I'd like to restart my old campaign. If anyone knows where I can find a > copy I'd much appreciate it. > -Billy Bob > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:22:33 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: t2k - At 04:57 PM 8/31/99 -0700, Ray Wiberg wrote: >Hell 0, > >Communist nations (and captialist ones as well) are not often fond of >arming their populous. At best they might have hunting rifles or shotguns, >but I imagine that gun control was in full swing during the alternate T2K >timeline. Even in The UK or Austraila you will find that firearms are VERY >rare. I haven't found any character sheets online so I can't help you >there (they are however quite asy to make). > On the other hand, the Communist countries had "militias" (armed police), and probably recruited local militia forces (other meaning of the word) late in the war--given the number of casualties, small arms of all major types are going to be a dime a dozen in areas near the front lines, and in addition to that stragglers/deserters will have settled down in local communities all over the place. Therefore, I think you'd be fully justified in giving whatever sorts of weapons you'd like to civilians. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:29:32 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: t2k - At 07:23 PM 8/31/99 -0700, Peter Vieth wrote: >REBEL P ENGLISH wrote: > >> I am setting up a campaign in Poland and wanted any advice you (as in >> anyone) wanted to give... >> >> What is the common weapon that a civilian Polish people would have (other >> then what they might pick up off of dead soldiers >> >> where can I find a character sheet online? > >Only hunters were allowed to have shotguns and hunting rifles, and they were >fairly expensive, though I suppose anyone who does have them would know how to >use them (you wouldn't have one as a novelty). They were confiscated during >martial law in '81 so the same thing would happen in t2k. > As I recall, the 2nd Edition timeline specified a post-Communist Poland, so you couldn't necessarily make that assumption. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:26:55 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Rail Guns At 09:28 AM 9/1/99 +0800, Ballistix wrote: >Another way t o warp rails is wait for a hot day and plug the expansion gaps >could be one of their ingenious ways they try. > Do you mean plug the gaps _before_ it got hot, so that they wouldn't be there when needed in the heat? Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:36:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Wiberg Subject: Re: t2k - On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Scott David Orr wrote: > At 04:57 PM 8/31/99 -0700, Ray Wiberg wrote: > >Hell 0, > > > >Communist nations (and captialist ones as well) are not often fond of > >arming their populous. At best they might have hunting rifles or shotguns, > >but I imagine that gun control was in full swing during the alternate T2K > >timeline. Even in The UK or Austraila you will find that firearms are VERY > >rare. I haven't found any character sheets online so I can't help you > >there (they are however quite asy to make). > > > On the other hand, the Communist countries had "militias" (armed police), > and probably recruited local militia forces (other meaning of the word) > late in the war--given the number of casualties, small arms of all major > types are going to be a dime a dozen in areas near the front lines, and in > addition to that stragglers/deserters will have settled down in local > communities all over the place. Therefore, I think you'd be fully > justified in giving whatever sorts of weapons you'd like to civilians. > > Scott Orr I know, but he mentioned specifically that he wanted to know what weapons they'd have other than what was left on dead soldiers. Ray *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:23:02 -0500 From: ^NikE^ Subject: Re: t2k - R u setting the campaign up for playing online? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:29:37 -0500 From: Steve Chymy Subject: Re: Video Conference ^NikE^ wrote: > R u setting the campaign up for playing online? > > Has anyone any interest in using one of those video cams (logitech,etc) to play a scenario in our campaign over the internet? Yes, I am a bit spoiled I have access to high speed internet. :) Although we could try 28.8k modems, please do not make me explain why 56k modems will not work at full speed when using bi-directional communications. So are there any lurkers with video out there who want to sit in on a hosted campaign? I think you can get a cheap camera for $50.00 U.S. or $2000.00 Canadian. ;) Steve Build it and they will come?? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 00:31:39 -0500 From: Steve Chymy Subject: Video Conference ^NikE^ wrote: > R u setting the campaign up for playing online? > > Has anyone any interest in using one of those video cams (logitech,etc) to play a scenario in our campaign over the internet? Yes, I am a bit spoiled I have access to high speed internet. :) Although we could try 28.8k modems, please do not make me explain why 56k modems will not work at full speed when using bi-directional communications. So are there any lurkers with video out there who want to sit in on a hosted campaign? I think you can get a cheap camera for $50.00 U.S. or $2000.00 Canadian. ;) Steve Build it and they will come?? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:08:30 -0700 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Video Conference Steve Chymy wrote: > ^NikE^ wrote: > > > R u setting the campaign up for playing online? > > > > > > Has anyone any interest in using one of those video cams (logitech,etc) to play > > a scenario in our campaign over the internet? Yes, I am a bit spoiled I have > access to high speed internet. :) Although we could try 28.8k modems, please do > > not make me explain why 56k modems will not work at full speed when using > bi-directional communications. So are there any lurkers with video out there > who want to sit in on a hosted campaign? I think you can get a cheap camera for > > $50.00 U.S. or $2000.00 Canadian. ;) > > Steve > Build it and they will come?? I think you're better off using just voice. First off, its not such a burden bandwidth wise, and second microphones are cheap (I used to use a pc speaker, which sounded like crap but it worked). Cameras, on the other hand, aren't :) - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://sanitarium.computers-radio.com]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:37:11 EDT From: REBEL P ENGLISH Subject: want to by. I know this is not the place BUT: Does anyone have a copy of Cadillacs and DInasors RPG (that GDW published) that they would be willing to sell. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:37:11 EDT From: REBEL P ENGLISH Subject: Re: t2k - >> where can I find a character sheet online? > >http://t2k.findhere.com > >I have one and there are more links to other sites. > >Loonz Thanks. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:37:11 EDT From: REBEL P ENGLISH Subject: Re: t2k - On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Ray Wiberg writes: > >I know, but he mentioned specifically that he wanted to know what >weapons they'd have other than what was left on dead soldiers. > >Ray > Obviosly the US forces would carry M16A2s and the Soviets AKMs, I was just curious what other weapons might be found. I just don't want to throw weapons in there that wouldn't be there. In the case of german troops, do you have them carry the G3 or as Inf weapon book says the replacement the G11? ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:33:20 -0600 From: "Tom Opgenorth" Subject: RE: t2k - > On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Ray Wiberg > In the case of german troops, do you have them carry the G3 or as Inf > weapon book says the replacement the G11? Personally, I think I would stick with the G11. Makes the game more interesting IHMO. Plus it is just a game, it doesn't have to be 100% realistic. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:49:17 +0000 From: bcsnskm Subject: Re: Behind Enemy Lines > >On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 Calibur1@aol.com wrote: > >> I am looking for a boxed edition (complete and intact contents) of "Behind >> Enemy Lines," a W.W.II RPG by FASA. This was a great war sim in its' time, >> and I'd like to restart my old campaign. If anyone knows where I can find a >> copy I'd much appreciate it. >> -Billy Bob Well I dont know about FASA...but I believe the game was bought by a group called The Companions back in like 82...I have a copy around here somewhere...The Companions no longer exist as well....but you are right it is a great game. If you want a copy I can probably track one down just send me an email at BCSNSKM@chestertel.com and I will see what I can do. Brian Seagoves *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:21:48 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: want to by. At 08:37 AM 9/1/99 EDT, REBEL P ENGLISH wrote: >I know this is not the place BUT: > >Does anyone have a copy of Cadillacs and DInasors RPG (that GDW >published) that they would be willing to sell. > If you can't get ahold of that, you might have a look at GURPS Atomic Horror (a "worldbook" based on 1950's horror/science-fiction movies). Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 17:29:15 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: t2k - At 08:37 AM 9/1/99 EDT, REBEL P ENGLISH wrote: > >Obviosly the US forces would carry M16A2s and the Soviets AKMs, I was >just curious what other weapons might be found. I just don't want to >throw weapons in there that wouldn't be there. > Ah...then in most places, as others have said, it would definitely be hunting rifles--but you might also want to check into the weapons that police carry (especially border guards and other "miltary" police units), and into what's in armories intended for reserve units, since it's quite possible that in some cases, after government breaks down civilians might have looted armories before they were ever used for their intended purposes (for a recent example, see Albania). I'm sure that any weapon used by a country since WWII (or captured in large numbers at the end of WWII) can be found in armories somewhere in that country. One important exception occurs if your campaign goes to Yugoslavia: there the government secreted arms in caches all over the country as part of a strategy that relied on guerilla warfare as the main form of defense. The collection of stuff that could be found in these problaby includes anything that either side fielded as far back as WWII, including some heavy weapons. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:11:35 EDT From: OrrinLadd@aol.com Subject: Re: Behind Enemy Lines In a message dated 8/31/99 7:32:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ray@cloudfactory.org writes: << Hi, I assume you have tried ebay and other online auctioning. Gamescape out of San Fran is a company that specializes in out of print games. Give them a try, they do COD and Credit Card ordering, but I'm not sure if they have any online resources. Prost, Ray >> Gamescape didn't have it on my last visit in late July. As a matter of fact, I have never seen Behind Enemy Lines at Gamescape. Their out of print stock/used stock is not as good as it once was. Mostly Rifts, Gothic rpgs, wargames and other stuff, no Behind Enemy Lines. They do however have a holding- type service, you can leave your name, phone number and the game that you are looking for. Hopefully, someone will sell the game to the store, then they're supposed to hold it for you. Of course, in the one instance it worked for me it took over a year and I had forgotten I even placed my name with them. That was in 1995, and I've still got stuff on hold with them. I think your best bet would be the internet. orrin *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:19:02 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Behind Enemy Lines At 06:11 PM 9/1/99 EDT, OrrinLadd@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/31/99 7:32:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >ray@cloudfactory.org writes: > ><< Hi, > > I assume you have tried ebay and other online auctioning. > Gamescape out of San Fran is a company that specializes in out of print > games. Give them a try, they do COD and Credit Card ordering, but I'm not > sure if they have any online resources. > > Prost, > > Ray > >> > >Gamescape didn't have it on my last visit in late July. As a matter of fact, >I have never seen Behind Enemy Lines at Gamescape. Their out of print >stock/used stock is not as good as it once was. Mostly Rifts, Gothic rpgs, >wargames and other stuff, no Behind Enemy Lines. > You might try http://www.titangames.com for out of print stuff. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 23:06:12 -0700 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Behind Enemy Lines OrrinLadd@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/31/99 7:32:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ray@cloudfactory.org writes: > > << Hi, > > I assume you have tried ebay and other online auctioning. > Gamescape out of San Fran is a company that specializes in out of print > games. Give them a try, they do COD and Credit Card ordering, but I'm not > sure if they have any online resources. > > Prost, > > Ray > >> > > Gamescape didn't have it on my last visit in late July. As a matter of fact, > I have never seen Behind Enemy Lines at Gamescape. Their out of print > stock/used stock is not as good as it once was. Mostly Rifts, Gothic rpgs, > wargames and other stuff, no Behind Enemy Lines. > > They do however have a holding- type service, you can leave your name, phone > number and the game that you are looking for. Hopefully, someone will sell > the game to the store, then they're supposed to hold it for you. Of course, > in the one instance it worked for me it took over a year and I had forgotten > I even placed my name with them. That was in 1995, and I've still got stuff > on hold with them. > > I think your best bet would be the internet. > > orrin > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. Try gatorgames.com, they're in San Carlos. They have some hard to find used stuff, although its expensive (original price). And Gamescape does suck now :) Nice location, but no good used stuff. Right before they moved they had a HUGE amount of t2k stuff, I bought 5 modules in one day. Gator games had 2.2 rule books if I remember right. - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://sanitarium.computers-radio.com]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #68 ************************************ To subscribe to Twilight2000-Digest, send the command: subscribe twilight2000-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com". 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