twilight2000-digest Friday, April 2 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 029 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: Mi-24 HIND RE: Mi-24 HIND (or MIND UR HIND!) Re: Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND speech Re: speech Twilight 2000 1st Edition Player Charts Re: Mi-24 HIND [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] attack subs Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] T2K 1st Ed BOX PLUS Support the POWs Re: Support the POWs Re: Support the POWs Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] Re: Mi-24 HIND Merc question Re: Merc question Re: Merc question Re: Support the POWs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:05:17 -0800 From: Ron Hale Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND Scott David Orr wrote: [Just a minor vocabulary police post.] >For all intensive purposes.... The expression, for the record, is "for all intents and purposes" If everyone understand what I meant? Than WHO CARES. TTFN Ron Hale *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:41:55 -0500 From: "Garcia, Abel" Subject: RE: Mi-24 HIND (or MIND UR HIND!) < [Just a minor vocabulary police post.] > >For all intensive purposes.... > The expression, for the record, is "for all intents and purposes">> > < If everyone understand what I meant? > WHO CARES.>> > Of course the purposeful intent of the Mi-24 HIND's designers was for an aircraft with an intensive purpose;^} > ************************************************************************** > * > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:27:16 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND At 04:05 PM 3/30/99 -0800, Ron Hale wrote: >Scott David Orr wrote: >[Just a minor vocabulary police post.] >>For all intensive purposes.... >The expression, for the record, is "for all intents and purposes" > >If everyone understand what I meant? >Than WHO CARES. >TTFN >Ron Hale > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:28:47 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND [Sorry about the empty post--reply and send keys are right next to each other.] At 04:05 PM 3/30/99 -0800, Ron Hale wrote: >Scott David Orr wrote: >[Just a minor vocabulary police post.] >>For all intensive purposes.... >The expression, for the record, is "for all intents and purposes" > >If everyone understand what I meant? >Than WHO CARES. I do. Yes, everyone understood you, but if they don't know any better you'll teach people to use the wrong expression; worse still, remember there are a lot of people on this list whose native language isn't English. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:40:54 -0500 From: loonz857@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND > Scott David Orr wrote: > [Just a minor vocabulary police post.] > >For all intensive purposes.... > The expression, for the record, is "for all intents and purposes" > > If everyone understand what I meant? > Than WHO CARES. > TTFN > Ron Hale I undah stood pefektly. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:51:28 -0500 From: loonz857@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND > At 04:05 PM 3/30/99 -0800, Ron Hale wrote: > >Scott David Orr wrote: > >[Just a minor vocabulary police post.] > >>For all intensive purposes.... > >The expression, for the record, is "for all intents and purposes" > > > >If everyone understand what I meant? > >Than WHO CARES. > > I do. Yes, everyone understood you, but if they don't know any better > you'll teach people to use the wrong expression; worse still, remember > there are a lot of people on this list whose native language isn't English. > > Scott Orr OMG ROFLM illiterate AO *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:57:05 -0500 From: "cell-66 Toronto" Subject: speech how many people speak with exact grammer. very very few. most people have never learned or the enviroment that they grew up in or whatever. you use contractions [don't, you'll, isn't] now these are extremly common words now. but when i was at school my english teacher hated them and said they had no place in the english language, that they are a lazy way to say things. language is fluid and changes over time. i feel that comunicating is much more important than being exactly right. but who is going to be exactly right when the teachers and parents can't speak the language properly, as in the way it is totally meant to be. as to non english speakers i have found many of them to have much better english than the native speakers as they learn from language courses and many of them exact little phrases that sound werid to many of us as we no longer speak that way. if people are really concerned about the way english is spoken then they should watch internet speak. lol lmao and the one i really do hate kewl. arguments have been made that lol etc are nothing more than modern contrations or a new shorthand and are inevitable. maybe they are right. but kewl is a complete relettering of an excisting word. i feel that things like that have more impact that a slightly off phrase. also english is different in each spoken place. go to england, australia, canada, u.s.a, south africa etc and they will all have differences and what is acceptable etc. aaron >I do. Yes, everyone understood you, but if they don't know any >better >you'll teach people to use the wrong expression; worse still, >remember >there are a lot of people on this list whose native language isn't English. Scott Orr ~In darkness lies often are the truth.~ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:20:15 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: speech At 11:57 PM 3/30/99 -0500, cell-66 Toronto wrote: > > how many people speak with exact grammer. very very few. most >people have never learned or the enviroment that they grew up in or >whatever. you use contractions [don't, you'll, isn't] now these are >extremly common words now. but when i was at school my english >teacher hated them and said they had no place in the english >language, that they are a lazy way to say things. language is fluid >and changes over time. i feel that comunicating is much more >important than being exactly right. but who is going to be exactly >right when the teachers and parents can't speak the language >properly, as in the way it is totally meant to be. > as to non english speakers i have found many of them to have >much better english than the native speakers as they learn from >language courses and many of them exact little phrases that >sound werid to many of us as we no longer speak that way. > > if people are really concerned about the way english is spoken >then they should watch internet speak. lol lmao and the one i really >do hate kewl. >arguments have been made that lol etc are nothing more than >modern contrations or a new shorthand and are inevitable. maybe >they are right. but kewl is a complete relettering of an excisting >word. i feel that things like that have more impact that a slightly off >phrase. > >also english is different in each spoken place. go to england, >australia, canada, u.s.a, south africa etc and they will all have >differences and what is acceptable etc. > The above is all true to a certain extent, but what we're talking about is something unique: it's an expression that most people have only heard and have never really seen, until the Internet, with it's use of spoken language, came along. In spoken English, "intents and purposes" sounds almost exactly like "intents and purposes", and so you'd never know the difference between the two. Another example is the word "voila" (French for "there it is"), which some people mis-write as "walla" or "wallah" or other things. This isn't a real case of the language changing, but of people trying to write things they've only heard before, and so I don't see any harm in pointing out how the terms are written--I'm not correcting the language itself but the writing of it. As for foreigners, since these phrases are usually heard only in spoken English, and not in written, in some cases this will be their only exposure to them, and I hate for them to mis-learn them. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:36:09 GMT From: "Nick Lawrence" Subject: Twilight 2000 1st Edition Player Charts I have recently acquired the 1st Edition Box Set. The player charts were missing, if any one in the UK has a copy could they contact me or Aaron Jones on aaron.jones@virgin.net Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:05:37 +1000 From: "Peter" Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cranston To: twilight2000@mpgn.com Date: Tuesday, 30 March 1999 7:33 Subject: Mi-24 HIND >I tried to send this message a few days ago but it didn't seem to work, so >here it is again: > >Here are some questions about the Mi-24 HIND entry in the Nautical/Aviation >Handbook (p83). > >1. This is what is says for it's load entry: "1 ton (internal) OR 1500kg on >6 hardpoints". Does this mean that if the aircraft carries some passengers >(which counts towards internal load - as stated earlier in the book) it can >not carry any weapons on it's hardpoints and vice versa ? Info seems to indicate the Hind was to originally carry a squad of infantry and weapons to suppress the landing zone. Actual experience showed the Hind couple not carry the two together. So if you want to carry the max 1 ton internal, limit the external load to 500 kg. Transport tasks untaken by the Mi-24 are high speed insertions of Spetsnaz teams. >2. In the description of the aircraft it goes on to say: "Up to 12 ATGMs >plus two AAMs or bombs (not exceeding 1500kg) can be fitted as external >load". So does this mean these are the ONLY weapons it can carry, hence >excluding things like rocket and gun pods and so forth ? Each wing has 3 pylons. The tip pylon normally carriers 2 AT-3/AT-6 (depending on version). The other 2 normally carry one rocket pod each, although I've seen a picture with a total of 8 AT-6 and 2 rocket pods fitted. The use of SAM-14/16 as AAM is on a purely experimental use Bombs, 800 litre drop tanks, gun pods, grenade launchers, mine dispensers, chemical weapons dispensers (maybe) are other options. > >3. This is a more general question about the aviation rules: On P5 under the >title "Firing From Moving Aircraft" it says: "Characters may not conduct >aimed fire from a moving aircraft. They may fire quick shots or bursts at >one stage greater than normal...........This rule does not apply to pilots >or crew of aircraft firing weapons mounted on the aircraft. Okay, fair >enough. It then says (P7 "Ground Attack - Guns and Rockets") "All attacks by >aircraft moving at speed four or more grid squares per action phase are >resolved at one difficulty level higher". So is firing from moving aircraft >conducted at one level higher or not ? Quick shots and bursts may be used by passengers firing non-mounted weapons like rifles and pistols at one level harder (P5 last sentence about firing from moving aircraft. Like sticking your M16 out the door and letting rip. If the aircraft is slower than 4 squares per action phase no, faster yes. This applies only to guns and rockets. See P7 about missiles (no movement allowed). >4. Another general point. The aviation rules allow any automatic small arms >to fire at an aircraft and cause minor damage if they hit. Due to this and >the fact that there are no armour ratings for aircraft it means that any >fool with an AK can easily damage an Apache ! This can't be right surely ? I >thought the Apache (which I'm just using as an example) had around 30mm of >front armour and the rear, it's weakest point, around 10mm. Under the >vehicle rules this would be enough armour to stop small arms rounds ! Are >aircraft really that vulnerable ? > >I'm sorry if the answers to these questions are obvious, but I am relying on >the book for my information and it doesn't explain the rules very well. > >Cheers! >Chris Cranston, The armour ratings of the Mi-24 and AH-64 always seem to be overrated. Yes certain parts of the helo can resist 23mm or 30mm fire and so. Cockpits, fuel systems, control systems, gearboxes, rotor blades are rated as 23mm or 12.7mm resistant. You are correct the rules should cover aircraft armour. Peter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:49:17 -0800 From: Ron Hale Subject: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------43F1E1FA546EF9D93C3C9059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is anyone else getting this message. The last 2 or 3 times I've sent things to the list I've recieved this message. TTFN Ron Hale - --------------43F1E1FA546EF9D93C3C9059 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from netcofmg.com (lou-ts4-4.iglou.com [204.255.239.156]) by postal.c-zone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA02349 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 04:26:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ) Received: from netcofmg.com [101.101.102.101] by netcofmg.com [101.101.102.101] with RAW (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.R) for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:13:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:13:10 -0500 From: MDaemon@netcofmg.com X-MDSend-Notifications-To: [trash] Subject: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown! To: ronhale@c-zone.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: ronhale@c-zone.net Reply-To: MDaemon@netcofmg.com Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0331-0713-10-PART-BREAK" X-Actual-From: MDaemon@netcofmg.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 The following data may contain sections which represent BASE64 encoded file attachments. 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There is no user by that name at this server. : Message contains [1] file attachments - --0331-0713-10-PART-BREAK Content-Type: message/rfc822; charset=US-ASCII; name="MD09704.MD" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-ID: Content-Description: Received: from pop.iglou.com [192.107.41.55] by netcofmg.com [101.101.102.101] with DomainPOP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.R) for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:06:54 -0500 Received: from [206.66.87.5] (helo=phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.1/8.9.1) id 10S8XO-0003yO-00; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:07:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA24710; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:05:26 -0500 Received: by lists.MPGN.COM (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:05:10 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24679 for twilight2000-outgoing; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:05:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM: majordom set sender to owner- twilight2000@lists.MPGN.COM using -f Received: from mail.mpgn.com (mail.mpgn.com [206.66.87.250]) by phaser.Showcase.MPGN.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA24666 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:04:54 -0500 Received: from postal.c-zone.net (postal.c-zone.net [207.211.22.14]) by mail.mpgn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27810 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from c-zone.net (stk-ca4-18.cust.internetuser.net [209.155.77.177]) by postal.c-zone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29769 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:03:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ronhale@c-zone.net) Message-ID: <370166BC.73C5CF62@c-zone.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:05:17 -0800 From: Ron Hale X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: twilight2000@mpgn.com Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND References: <3.0.6.32.19990330022306.0079a6a0@popd.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-twilight2000@lists.MPGN.COM Reply-To: twilight2000@mpgn.com X-UIDL: 71f5776f7fc76e0129da70faeb406236 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com Scott David Orr wrote: [Just a minor vocabulary police post.] >For all intensive purposes.... The expression, for the record, is "for all intents and purposes" If everyone understand what I meant? Than WHO CARES. TTFN Ron Hale *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. - --0331-0713-10-PART-BREAK-- - --------------43F1E1FA546EF9D93C3C9059-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:58:22 EST From: Grimace997@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] Yep, I get them about every other message that I sent out to this list. Probably just a glitch somewhere. Year 2000 anyone??? :) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:12:25 -0500 From: "cell-66 Toronto" Subject: attack subs i was watching a show tonight on subs mainly attack and some boomers. when the call for battlestations was made they had alarms and all sorts of noise. now i realise that silent running was not all the time, but i did think that noise was of importance to sub captains. is that standard practice? aaron ~In darkness lies often are the truth.~ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:35:46 -0600 From: "ddolllaw" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] Got it several times - -----Original Message----- From: Ron Hale To: T2K Mailing List Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 9:50 PM Subject: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] >Is anyone else getting this message. The last 2 or 3 times I've sent >things to the list I've recieved this message. >TTFN >Ron Hale > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:53:40 +1000 From: Damian Robinson Subject: Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] I've got it with like every message I've sent out. Anyone know how we can get rid of the *%&$^(*)$*&^*(^ problem? - -- Cheers Damian Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dreamworld/4808/ pay a visit, and please don't forget the Guestbook... ICQ? #14030875 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:32:55 EST From: MarkChest@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] Christ. Not another one. I've got exactly the same problem, but since (something like Wells Fargo) the mails got through, I've just left it. However if it does become a problem we might have to do something. (Who runs this list anyway) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:22:40 +0100 From: "Mark Oliver" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] I reckon there's someone who's email address is no longer valid. The mail server is returning it to sender, which it's somehow determining is the original sender of the message (i.e yourself). I guess we should contact the list administrator and let them know there's a problem. I doubt it's a Y2K thing or anything similar. - -----Original Message----- From: MarkChest@aol.com To: twilight2000@mpgn.com Date: 01 April 1999 08:47 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] >Christ. Not another one. I've got exactly the same problem, but since >(something like Wells Fargo) the mails got through, I've just left it. >However if it does become a problem we might have to do something. (Who runs >this list anyway) >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:03:32 -0500 From: "Garcia, Abel" Subject: T2K 1st Ed BOX PLUS <>. I have received some inquires so I'll give a brief description of what you'll get. All the original components (except for dice) are included, and all are in good condition. (Most of the components are near mint, since I copied everything for actual play.) Also included, in this flat box, are photocopies I made of EARLY (cr. '86) Challenge T2K articles: * "T2K AIR MODULES I & II" - by Frank Frey (11pp, C#26) * "ULTRALIGHTS" - by William H. Keith (5pp, C#2?) * "HELICOPTER RULES FOR T2K" - by William H. Keith (6pp, Krakow module, This can answer the recent "HIND" thread) * "T2K MINIATURES RULES" - by Frank A. Chadwick (8pp, C#25)! #8^O THE NORTH AMERICA ARTICLE SERIES: * "Y2K CANADA" - by Frank A. Chadwick (6pp, C#2?) * "Y2K USA TARGET LIST" - by Loren K. Wiseman (3pp, C#2?) * "Y2K MEXICAN ARMY" - by Frank A. Chadwick (3pp, C#2?) * "T2K CONSOLIDATED PRICE LIST" - by Loren K. Wiseman (4pp, C#2?) * "EQUIPMENT LIST" - by Frank A. Chadwick (3pp, C#2?) * "INSIDE AN M1" - by Cpt. Harold Martin (3pp, C#29) * "WILDERNESS TRAVEL" - by William H. Keith (5pp, C#?) * "CITY MAKER" - by Timothy B. Brown (6pp, C#?) * "BUILDINGS" - by Loren K. Wiseman (3pp, C#2?) * "SHELL GAME IRAN ADVENTURE" - by Adam Geibel (10pp, C#2?) Make me an offer, for this stuffed box, at the address below: > Thanks, > Abel > agarcia@us.rhodia.com > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:57:49 PST From: "Jason Weiser" Subject: Support the POWs Hello all, My apologies for this OT msg, I will be brief. The American POWs and their families deserve our support and our prayers. Therefore, please show your support for our POWs if you have a web page by putting on it an MIA/POW flag and a few words of hope. You can get a gif of said flag at: www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Cauldron/2636/ Keep the faith Jason Weiser Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 22:08:08 -0700 From: rogue09@sprynet.com Subject: Re: Support the POWs Jason Weiser wrote: > Hello all, > My apologies for this OT msg, I will be brief. The American POWs and > their families deserve our support and our prayers. Therefore, please > show your support for our POWs if you have a web page by putting on it > an MIA/POW flag and a few words of hope. > > You can get a gif of said flag at: > www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Cauldron/2636/ > > Keep the faith > Jason Weiser > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Way ahead of you Jason... Anyone who wants to see it can go to my entry page and look at the top of sections... T.R. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 00:26:46 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Support the POWs At 10:08 PM 4/1/99 -0700, rogue09@Sprynet.com wrote: > > >Jason Weiser wrote: > >> Hello all, >> My apologies for this OT msg, I will be brief. The American POWs and >> their families deserve our support and our prayers. Therefore, please >> show your support for our POWs if you have a web page by putting on it >> an MIA/POW flag and a few words of hope. >> >> You can get a gif of said flag at: >> www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Cauldron/2636/ >> >> Keep the faith >> Jason Weiser >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >Way ahead of you Jason... Anyone who wants to see it can go to my entry page >and look at the top of sections... > While I can't disagree with this sentiment, I do wonder why you gentlemen can't display similar emotion for the 500,000 Albanians who've been through much worse than those POW's? Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:10:35 +0200 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, marko@syslogic.com produced: > I reckon there's someone who's email address is no longer valid. The mail > server is returning it to sender, which it's somehow determining is the > original sender of the message (i.e yourself). I guess we should contact The message should be send to the "Sender" (owner-twilight2000@Phaser.ShowCase.MPGN.COM) not to "Reply-To" (twilight2000@mpgn.com)[1] or "From", since it is a notice of a transport/delivery problem. See RFC 822 for details. That proves that the complaining site is (slightly?) misconfigured. "postmaster@domain" should work to tell them (if you care). [1] which overrides/should override the "From" (MarkChest@aol.com). > the list administrator and let them know there's a problem. That address would be either "owner-twilight2000@Phaser.ShowCase.MPGN.COM" (the "Sender") or "owner-twilight2000@lists.MPGN.COM" (as specified in the greetings message). I guess they go to the same mailbox and might even be the same machine. > I doubt it's a Y2K thing or anything similar. Quite right. > >Christ. Not another one. I've got exactly the same problem, but since > >(something like Wells Fargo) the mails got through, I've just left it. It's just *one* recipient who generates an error. No problem for the list as such. - -Wolfgang PS: Watch me getting the bounce ... :-) - -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. How to dominate the Internet/WWW/etc? Destroy the protocols! See: http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 00:58:11 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User unknown!] Mark Oliver wrote: > I reckon there's someone who's email address is no longer valid. The mail > server is returning it to sender, which it's somehow determining is the > original sender of the message (i.e yourself). I guess we should contact > the list administrator and let them know there's a problem. > > I doubt it's a Y2K thing or anything similar. > > -----Original Message----- > From: MarkChest@aol.com > To: twilight2000@mpgn.com > Date: 01 April 1999 08:47 > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Warning: twilight2000-outgoing@netcofmg.com - User > unknown!] > > >Christ. Not another one. I've got exactly the same problem, but since > >(something like Wells Fargo) the mails got through, I've just left it. > >However if it does become a problem we might have to do something. (Who > runs > >this list anyway) > monkeyboy's final revenge? :) - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 00:59:16 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND Peter wrote: > > Each wing has 3 pylons. The tip pylon normally carriers 2 AT-3/AT-6 > (depending on version). The other 2 normally carry one rocket pod each, > although I've seen a picture with a total of 8 AT-6 and 2 rocket pods > fitted. The use of SAM-14/16 as AAM is on a purely experimental use Bombs, > 800 litre drop tanks, gun pods, grenade launchers, mine dispensers, chemical > weapons dispensers (maybe) are other options. > The chemical and mine dispensers were used in Afghanistan. - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 01:04:13 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Merc question I told two of my players about the Merc pbem I was part of, run by Milo Donharden, and they expressed interest in me running a similar campaign. I haven't seen the merc: 2000 book in two or three years so I simply went by what I know of merc:2000 from this list. Now we were playing, and I suppose this had to come up eventually: how does merc say to handle the situation when a PC kills or wounds an NPC? My PCs were guarding a man and he gets attacked and so the PCs pull out their weapons and start shooting. I wonder what I should do after this fight ends... - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 01:34:30 -0800 From: Snake Eyes Subject: Re: Merc question Peter: How should we interpret your question below? Are you looking for a rule clarification on the mechanics of combat, or asking how to handle the in-game effects of the PC's losing a patron to possibly friendly fire? For the latter, I would recommend civil lawsuits from the patron or his estate, and the haunting specter of a bad reputation. Good work dries up. Contacts ignore them or jack up their prices astronomically. Team members shunned by their peers. Can't find good help. Kicked out of the Merc Guild. Equipment is mysteriously unavailable. Not to mention any legal action in the form of criminal charges by the local authorities, and of course the ensuing media circus. Maybe they get leaned on by the underworld. Make them pariahs. Remember the Soldier of Fortune trial back in the 80's? SOF got sued for carrying a Merc classified ad that led to some dude getting hired to pull off a bank job in Texas, and he ended up shooting somebody? Any or all of these should cause the team to rethink their tactics. I've got a spare copy of Merc I can sling your way -- perhaps a barter agreement can be reached. ~Snake Eyes At 01:04 AM 4/2/99 -0800, Peter Vieth wrote: >I told two of my players about the Merc pbem I was part of, run by Milo >Donharden, and they expressed interest in me running a similar campaign. >I haven't seen the merc: 2000 book in two or three years so I simply >went by what I know of merc:2000 from this list. Now we were playing, >and I suppose this had to come up eventually: how does merc say to >handle the situation when a PC kills or wounds an NPC? My PCs were >guarding a man and he gets attacked and so the PCs pull out their >weapons and start shooting. I wonder what I should do after this fight >ends... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 02:09:52 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Merc question Snake Eyes wrote: > Peter: > > How should we interpret your question below? Are you looking for a rule > clarification on the mechanics of combat, or asking how to handle the > in-game effects of the PC's losing a patron to possibly friendly fire? All right, I should have made it clearer. The man being guarded is the boss of a French arms manufacturing company who has received death threats and hires the PCs to guard him. The PCs expect to be able to capture the person(s) doing this or at least point them out to the police. To mess up their plans I have things get even worse. While the four of the five PCs are out of the house eight men pull up in two sedans with rifles and start approaching the house. The single PC calls the police but the men are still coming (and there is no where to escape to), so the PC pulls out his pistol and starts shooting, seeing as the police will not arrive in time to save them. Two of the PCs are only a few blocks from the house, coming back from a drive to a nearby town... when they see whats happening they start shooting as well. Now the French police will arrive in about five minutes to either the aftermath of a battle or a battle in progress. Certainly the PCs are acting in defense but the situation is different from a homeowner shooting a burglar or something along those lines (em... not to mention that the PCs car sort of hit one of the men when it came speeding around the corner). What legal problems can they encounter? - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:14:36 -0700 From: rogue09@sprynet.com Subject: Re: Support the POWs > > > > > While I can't disagree with this sentiment, I do wonder why you gentlemen > can't display similar emotion for the 500,000 Albanians who've been through > much worse than those POW's? > > Scott Orr > Think you'll find that the similiar emotion you'll looking for from some us is that we support the action of the US government, maybe not the way their doing it but the reasons for it... T.R. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #29 ************************************