twilight2000-digest Tuesday, March 30 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 028 The following topics are covered in this digest: SV: T2K Character Genrerator Re: T2K Character Genrerator Re: T2K Character Genrerator Re: T2K Character Genrerator Re: twilight2000-digest V1999 #27 RE: T2K Character Genrerator Re: T2K Character Genrerator Re: Computer utilities + Web Site Update Character generator. Swedish BILL ATGM Announcement: Intsum website will be moving soon... My Website Twilight 2000 1st Edition Player Charts Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND Re: Mi-24 HIND T2K 1st Ed Player Charts Re: Twilight 2000 1st Edition Player Charts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:34:08 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mathias_K=F6ppen?=" Subject: SV: T2K Character Genrerator Sure has. Bought it last year. Have also used it as a character generator, works quite good! Mathias Subject: Re: T2K Character Genrerator >Has anyone ever played the old computer game of T2K? >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:47:06 -0600 From: Tom Floyd Subject: Re: T2K Character Genrerator Morgan wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:02:01 EST, FlankerMan@aol.com wrote: > > >Has anyone ever played the old computer game of T2K? > >*************************************************************************** > > Speaking of which, my 5.25" copy has a bad DiskA. Anybody out there who could send > me an image of DiskA only (I have the package, I only need the first disk! > Still do! I'll try and see if I can send you an image of diska, too. Tom Floyd > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:33:47 +0000 From: "Morgan" Subject: Re: T2K Character Genrerator Thanks very much. Haven't seen it around on any of the compilation CD's (sadly). On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:47:06 -0600, Tom Floyd wrote: > >> Speaking of which, my 5.25" copy has a bad DiskA. Anybody out there who could send >> me an image of DiskA only (I have the package, I only need the first disk! >> > > Still do! I'll try and see if I can send you an image of diska, too. > > > Tom Floyd *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:21:45 EST From: FlankerMan@aol.com Subject: Re: T2K Character Genrerator Was there any add ons for the computer game? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:42:42 -0500 From: "Strevrep" Subject: Re: twilight2000-digest V1999 #27 How do I remove myself from this list? I have been trying several times to no avail!! - -----Original Message----- From: twilight2000-digest To: twilight2000-digest@Phaser.ShowCase.MPGN.COM Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 7:32 AM Subject: twilight2000-digest V1999 #27 > >twilight2000-digest Wednesday, March 17 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 027 > > > >The following topics are covered in this digest: > >Re: Several Space Topics >Re: New stuff >Book Reviews >Items and Weapons List >Re: Website update >Re: FAS.org >Re: Several Space Topics >Re: Several Space Topics >web page fun >Re: web page fun >Major changes >Re: Major changes >Re: FAS.org >Re: Several Space Topics >Re: Major changes >term >Re: Several Space Topics >Space Topics >Re: Several Space Topics >T2K Character Genrerator >Re: T2K Character Genrerator >Re: T2K Character Genrerator >Re: T2K Character Genrerator >9mm vs. Soft-skin vehicles >Computer utilities + Web Site Update > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:35:27 -0500 >From: loonz857@mindspring.com >Subject: Re: Several Space Topics > >Thats not the impression I got, hours "maybe" but definately not days. Not >from that conversation or what I knew then or now. Without Colorado Springs >(and the others) there is no data. But Id venture to guess you could like >you said build another control station. Might no be pretty but Id say its >possible. > >- -----Original Message----- >From: Wolfgang Weisselberg >To: twilight2000@mpgn.com >Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 6:02 AM >Subject: Re: Several Space Topics > > >>Hi! >> >>Trying to kill the keyboard, loonz857@mindspring.com produced: >>> Ok, while on a mission to Massachusettes this year I worked with a GPS >>> engineer, (specific contractor eludes me). However this is what I >gleened >>> from our conversation, with GPS if no one can or does maintain the GPS >>> ground equipment then any satellites left will be useless instantly, as >soon >>> as the gear is offline. The premise is (I suppose) Northstar must first >>> triangulate the Sats then tell the Sats where they are, then they can >tell >>> the individual receivers for the receivers to calculate a fix. >> >>Immediately would probably too fast. I'd expect the accuracy >>to slowly degrade to complete uselessness within some weeks >>(or even months) ... orbits change slowly. However there will >>be backup stations, and it should even be possible to build >>up a new station if the need arises without having serious[1] >>degraded signal in between. Assuming there is the money, the >>expertise and --- most of all --- the will to build such a thing. >>Which is no given in TW:2K. >> >>[1] i.e. it'll be good enough to navigate, but probably off by >> quite some meters. >> >>-Wolfgang >> >>-- >> PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". >> Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. >> How to dominate the Internet/WWW/etc? Destroy the protocols! See: >> http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html >>************************************************************************** * >>To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >>'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:03:04 +0100 >From: Wolfgang Weisselberg >Subject: Re: New stuff > >Hi! > >Trying to kill the keyboard, grining@tas.webnet.com.au produced: >> Has anyone converted V1 modules to V2.2. The vehicles and weapons are okay, >> mainly the skills. I guess dividing v1 skills by 10 will give the v2 level >> but what about other stats like strength? > >Stats go from 1 to 20 with a strong preference around 10 (or >15/5 if you favour/slight them). You can map them onto skills >(in V1) by multiplying with 5. HTH > >- -Wolfgang > >- -- > PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". > Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. > How to dominate the Internet/WWW/etc? Destroy the protocols! See: > http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:55:40 -0500 >From: loonz857@mindspring.com >Subject: Book Reviews > >I've posted product reveiws on the stuff I know about on my page >http://t2k.findhere.com . The list is incomplete as I dont own everything >(duh). Also my cronology is not complete either, help with that would be >neat. The format being; >Product Title Product number Year published Author >Publishing company > >Come on by. >Loonz > >http://bookmark.findhere.com > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:23:12 EST >From: ALIEN1UFO@aol.com >Subject: Items and Weapons List > >Can someone send me the list of items and weapons and their prices for the >game. My stupid sister threw it in the trash. If you can it would be a great >help. If it is illegal to send it than nevermind >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:50:21 +0100 >From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mathias_K=F6ppen?=" >Subject: Re: Website update > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BE6E53.E4C047A0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Some additional info on the Carl Gustav Recoilless HE-ammo. > >You can set a range on the grenade (up to 400m if I remember correctly) = >and fire it overhead of your target. When the grenade reaches the set = >range it explodes downwards, littering the target area with fragments. = >But even if you set the range it always explodes on impact (if it hits = >something before the set range). > >In the swedish army the loader carries 4 rounds of ammo (in my group we = >used to have 2 HEAT, 1 HE & 1 Smoke) and the assistant squad leader = >carried an additional 2 rounds. > >Mathias K=F6ppen > >BTW - I'd be happy if anyone had TW2K stats on the swedish AT-MSL BILL = >and BILL2. > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BE6E53.E4C047A0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
Some additional info on the Carl = >Gustav=20 >Recoilless HE-ammo.
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You can set a range on the grenade = >(up to 400m=20 >if I remember correctly) and fire it overhead of your target. When the = >grenade=20 >reaches the set range it explodes downwards, littering the target area = >with=20 >fragments. But even if you set the range it always explodes on impact = >(if it=20 >hits something before the set range).
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In the swedish army the loader = >carries 4 rounds=20 >of ammo (in my group we used to have 2 HEAT, 1 HE & 1 Smoke) and the = > >assistant squad leader carried an additional 2 rounds.
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BTW - I'd be happy if anyone had = >TW2K stats on=20 >the swedish AT-MSL BILL and BILL2.
> >- ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BE6E53.E4C047A0-- > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:56:31 -0000 >From: "Roger Stenning" >Subject: Re: FAS.org > >The FAS have a truly HUGE amount of material that can be put to good effect >in Merc:2000 games, most especially, their vast library of (declassified, >dammit!) Photographic Intelligence Satellite 'products'. > >These make for bloody good props, lemme tell you! > >Later! > >Roger Stenning > > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:15:36 +0100 From: "Eduardo Perez Santos" Subject: RE: T2K Character Genrerator Hello, Please, tell me the WEB page where it reside. Thanks. > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-twilight2000@lists.MPGN.COM > [mailto:owner-twilight2000@lists.MPGN.COM]En nombre de Swingerzz@aol.com > Enviado el: martes 16 de marzo de 1999 23:57 > Para: twilight2000@mpgn.com > Asunto: Re: T2K Character Genrerator > > > I feel it is good, but maybe it would be nicer it ventured farther. Maybe > someone can make a program that lets you choose you want your charcter to > join. Then after you typed up branch you want, age and > everything, it will > automatically put the top choses of skills for that job and will give the > skills skill points. Also, to make it easier, they should allow > you how many > times you want to re-enter, then it the ranks, contact, and if you go into > battle automatically. Also I have a question. What do you guys > think is the > closest novel to T2K? Also are there anyother new T2K PBEMs out > there, I am > looking for maybe another one to join. > > > Well, has anyone had a chance to take a look at the Char Gen. posted on > > Damain's web page? I was wondering if anyone feels it is > worth pursuing > any > > further? Any feedback would help. I have a newer version > ready for upload > > that now figures the characters rank, specialty and branch, as well as > skill > > points. So this version pretty much takes care of all the die > rolling for a > > character. I have started on the skills portion, but have > realized this is > > going to take a little bit of time to complete. > > Also, is there any feedback on the weapon database program that was > included > > in the download? > ****************************************************************** > ********* > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com > with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:59:57 +1000 From: Damian Robinson Subject: Re: T2K Character Genrerator The Program resides in my page, and the address is in the .Sig :-{> - -- Cheers Damian Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dreamworld/4808/ pay a visit, and please don't forget the Guestbook... ICQ? #14030875 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:46:42 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Computer utilities + Web Site Update Mark Oliver wrote: > Hi, > > This talk of a character generator (anyone got a first edition > version?) Yes. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/2946/rpa.zip - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:28:29 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Character generator. I've done it again. The 1st edition generator is at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/2946/Rpados.zip NOT rpa.zip. I really have to go in there and rename it. I did the same thing last nov. - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:27:57 +1100 From: "Peter" Subject: Swedish BILL ATGM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BE74A2.78BE1640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From Jane's Infantry Weapons 1999-2000: A laser beam riding top attack missile (no third party remote = designation) RBS 56 BILL entered service in 1985, by 1996 15000 missiles had been = made. Users Sweden, Austria, Brazil (delivered 1996-97) BILL 2 to enter service in 1999. Will have a tandem warhead to defeat = ERA. System is lighter due to better electronics. Each Missile Firing Post Thermal sight BILL 20 kg +18 kg +9 kg BILL 2 18 kg +11 kg +9 kg BILL minimum range as 300 metres against mobile target, 150 stationary, = 2200 metres maximum. I'm sure the Army technology site has a BILL article. Peter - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BE74A2.78BE1640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From Jane's Infantry Weapons=20 1999-2000:
 
A laser beam riding top attack = missile (no third=20 party remote designation)
 
RBS 56 BILL entered service in 1985, = by 1996=20 15000 missiles had been made.
 
Users Sweden, Austria, Brazil = (delivered=20 1996-97)
 
BILL 2 to enter service in 1999. = Will have a=20 tandem warhead to defeat ERA. System is lighter due to better=20 electronics.
 
          &nbs= p; Each Missile    Firing = Post   =20 Thermal sight
BILL       =20 20=20 kg            = ;   =20 +18 kg        +9 kg
BILL 2    18=20 kg            = ;   =20 +11 kg            = +9=20 kg
 
BILL minimum range as 300 metres = against mobile=20 target, 150 stationary, 2200 metres maximum.
 
I'm sure the Army technology site = has a BILL=20 article.
 
Peter
- ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BE74A2.78BE1640-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:30:48 -0000 From: "Roger Stenning" Subject: Announcement: Intsum website will be moving soon... Hi. Following the commencement of my own website design company, I'll be moving the Intsum website, currently at http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html to a new location. This will probably be at the same server, but in a new directory. While I have not, for a number of reasons, updated the site in some time, I have noted (with a certain amount of satisfaction ) that it is still accessed by a number of people, on a reasonably regular basis. With the above in mind, anyone with comments to make on the proposed move should contact me, via private e-mail (to keep the mailing list clear for game-related traffic), within the next seven days. Thank you. Roger Stenning ISG Web Design Services begin 666 Roger J. L. Stenning.vcf M0D5'24XZ5D-!4D0-"E9%4E-)3TXZ,BXQ#0I..E-T96YN:6YG.U)O9V5R.THN M($PN#0I&3CI2;V=E Subject: Twilight 2000 1st Edition Player Charts My name is Nick Lawrence, and I have recently aquired the 1st Edition Box Set second hand. After checking the contents the player charts were missing. The original owner of the set could not find them, so I'm unable to use the system. If any Twilight 2000 GM's/Players have a Player's chart could you contact me or Aaron Jones on aaron.jones@virgin.net Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:31:52 +0100 From: "Chris Cranston" Subject: Mi-24 HIND I tried to send this message a few days ago but it didn't seem to work, so here it is again: Here are some questions about the Mi-24 HIND entry in the Nautical/Aviation Handbook (p83). 1. This is what is says for it's load entry: "1 ton (internal) OR 1500kg on 6 hardpoints". Does this mean that if the aircraft carries some passengers (which counts towards internal load - as stated earlier in the book) it can not carry any weapons on it's hardpoints and vice versa ? 2. In the description of the aircraft it goes on to say: "Up to 12 ATGMs plus two AAMs or bombs (not exceeding 1500kg) can be fitted as external load". So does this mean these are the ONLY weapons it can carry, hence excluding things like rocket and gun pods and so forth ? 3. This is a more general question about the aviation rules: On P5 under the title "Firing From Moving Aircraft" it says: "Characters may not conduct aimed fire from a moving aircraft. They may fire quick shots or bursts at one stage greater than normal...........This rule does not apply to pilots or crew of aircraft firing weapons mounted on the aircraft. Okay, fair enough. It then says (P7 "Ground Attack - Guns and Rockets") "All attacks by aircraft moving at speed four or more grid squares per action phase are resolved at one difficulty level higher". So is firing from moving aircraft conducted at one level higher or not ? 4. Another general point. The aviation rules allow any automatic small arms to fire at an aircraft and cause minor damage if they hit. Due to this and the fact that there are no armour ratings for aircraft it means that any fool with an AK can easily damage an Apache ! This can't be right surely ? I thought the Apache (which I'm just using as an example) had around 30mm of front armour and the rear, it's weakest point, around 10mm. Under the vehicle rules this would be enough armour to stop small arms rounds ! Are aircraft really that vulnerable ? I'm sorry if the answers to these questions are obvious, but I am relying on the book for my information and it doesn't explain the rules very well. Cheers! Chris Cranston, green@helloworld21.freeserve.co.uk *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:38:02 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND Chris Cranston wrote: > 4. Another general point. The aviation rules allow any automatic small arms > to fire at an aircraft and cause minor damage if they hit. Due to this and > the fact that there are no armour ratings for aircraft it means that any > fool with an AK can easily damage an Apache ! This can't be right surely ? I > thought the Apache (which I'm just using as an example) had around 30mm of > front armour and the rear, it's weakest point, around 10mm. Under the > vehicle rules this would be enough armour to stop small arms rounds ! Are > aircraft really that vulnerable ? The Apache is protected in some places (especially around the cockpit) but yes, small arms fire will damage it, though it may be a little difficult to shoot down. Many fixed wing aircraft have very light armor and could be seriosly damaged with one well placed bullet. Presumably if an aircraft was low flying and you had a good sniper you could shoot it down, but I imagine usually it would take more than that if a person was just doing full auto with an AK on it. The Mi-24, however, is heavily armored for a helicopter and I don't know how susceptible it is. - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:49:24 EST From: MarkChest@aol.com Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND As to your question on question 1, YES the HIND does carry troops (I believe that the D version doubles up as a transport. As to 2, I would just replace one or two ATGMs with a rocket pod, since the HIND does in fact have the ability to carry rocket pods. As to 3 I would say that if the aircraft is going faster than the speed indicated (4 squares/AP) then institute the one stage higher rule (this replicates how difficult it is to shoot things form a fast moving aircraft, remember even modern weapons such as the PAVEWAY, will run into problems if the pilot is travelling so fast as to make controlling the laser targetting beam almost impossible). As to 4 you'll have to wait a bit whilst I read my books (I'm writing this at 0045 GMT and I want to get to my bed :-)) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:22:32 -0600 From: "Randy & Rico" Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 5:49 PM Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND > (I'm writing this at 0045 GMT and I want to get to my bed :-)) I am Zulu -6, which are you? :P *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:02:34 -0500 From: "cell-66 Toronto" Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND i believe one or more of the hind variants carried troops. i don't think they all do. but i cant check my books at the moment. i always thought they listed load i.e cargo as a seperate thing to ordenance. i dont have the twlight 2000 air/ship guide, just going from memory of other books i have seen. unguided rockets are certinly part of the hinds arsenal but as with most modern aircraft thier load can vary depending on mission type. i think most decent assault rifles and machine guns can damage choppers, but you would have to be unlucky to be screaming by and get hit. if you want to hover casualy like in that old tv show airwolf while everyone peppers away then i think it would not take long to hit something important. aaron ~In darkness lies often are the truth.~ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:50:44 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND cell-66 Toronto wrote: > i believe one or more of the hind variants carried troops. i don't think > they all do. but i cant check my books at the moment. i always > thought they listed load i.e cargo as a seperate thing to ordenance. > i dont have the twlight 2000 air/ship guide, just going from memory > of other books i have seen. > > unguided rockets are certinly part of the hinds arsenal but as with > most modern aircraft thier load can vary depending on mission type. > > i think most decent assault rifles and machine guns can damage > choppers, but you would have to be unlucky to be screaming by > and get hit. if you want to hover casualy like in that old tv show > airwolf while everyone peppers away then i think it would not take > long to hit something important. > > aaron > ~In darkness lies often are the truth.~ > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. All the hinds are basically similar-- different models have different guns (some have a fixed cannon, some a moving 12.7mm mg, etc), but there is a compartment in the middle where either troops or extra ammunition are carried. - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:23:12 EST From: FlankerMan@aol.com Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND The early Hinds carried troops, but the newer ones carry reloads for missiles and the support crew to reload the missiles. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:26:17 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND At 10:02 PM 3/29/99 -0500, cell-66 Toronto wrote: > > >i believe one or more of the hind variants carried troops. i don't think >they all do. but i cant check my books at the moment. i always >thought they listed load i.e cargo as a seperate thing to ordenance. >i dont have the twlight 2000 air/ship guide, just going from memory >of other books i have seen. > An aircraft can only carry so much weight--so whatever goes in cargo can't go on the hardpoints. For land vehicles in TW2K cargo capacity is mostly a function of space, but aircraft face different constraints. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:36:43 -0800 From: Ron Hale Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND Yes all Mi-24 variants have internal cargo space. What is put in the space is basically anything that can fit through the doors and doesn't cause it to exceed its max takeoff weight. In Afghanistan they were used to resupply units in the field, and to insert/extract SF teams. For all intensive purposes the Mi-24s are immune to small arms fire, from BELOW. This is due to the huge amount of armor on the belly. However, small arms fire from equal or higher elevation could cause enough damage to force the craft down. Not very likely to destroy it, but force it to go away or land to avoid crashing. TTFN Ron Hale *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:23:06 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND [Just a minor vocabulary police post.] >For all intensive purposes.... The expression, for the record, is "for all intents and purposes" (yes, I know it sounds redundant--it's like "hue and cry", "joint and several", and so on--most of these expressions come from people using both the German- and French-derived words for something so that people more schooled in each (in late medieval England, when French had entered the language relatively recently) would understand something. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:28:43 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND Okay, in this case, one word ("intent") was from Latin and the other ("purpose") from French (actually it doesn't work for "joint and several either"--those are both from French). Even the best theories don't work all the time. :) Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:03:32 EST From: MarkChest@aol.com Subject: Re: Mi-24 HIND ZULU + or - 1 I can never remember which it is. (Makes it damnned difficult when your writing reports, I can tell you :-)) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:05:40 -0500 From: "Garcia, Abel" Subject: T2K 1st Ed Player Charts Nick, I have a complete boxed set of 1st ed.T2K. The Player's Charts are all printed on one sheet of paper. Two tables ("Personal Weapons" & "Skill List") on the first side, and five tables ("Service Table", "Language List", "Vehicle Table", "Rank", & "Soviet Nationalities List") on the second. I can mail you a clear double-sided copy if you mail me a SASE plus one lose stamp. Let me know at my e-mail address below. My 1st ed. boxed set is complete (plus it includes the Air Module from an early Challenge) and it is for sale to any one on this list. I would prefer to trade it for holes in my gaming collection. I am looking for early issues of DGP's Digest (#'s 2 & 3), and their Flaming Eye MT module; early GDW's JTAS (#'s 1-4, 5-11) and early Challenge (B4 #'s 27); a complete & unpunched Last Battles from GDW; any early boxed Traveller war games (FFW, AHL) from GDW; or John Hill's Bar-Lev (in any condition). Anyone who is interested please contact me at the e-mail address below. Thanks, Abel agarcia@us.rhodia.com > ---------- > From: Nick Lawrence[SMTP:nickstorm@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 2:59 AM > To: twilight2000@mpgn.com > Subject: Twilight 2000 1st Edition Player Charts > > I have recently acquired the 1st Edition Box Set. The player charts are > missing. > > If any Twilight 2000 GM's/Players have a Player's chart could you contact > me or Aaron Jones on aaron.jones@virgin.net > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:39:04 +0100 From: "Mark Oliver" Subject: Re: Twilight 2000 1st Edition Player Charts I've just seen you mail and the response from Aaron. I take it from the e-mail address that you're in the UK? If so I might be able to get the sheet a bit quicker and cheaper (hope I'm not stepping on any toes here). I've also got the version 1 small arms and soviet vehicle guides. I can provide you with the stats from these as well if you're interested (most of the stuff I've found on the web is for version 2+). If you don't mind me asking where do you live? Regards, Mark - -----Original Message----- From: Nick Lawrence To: twilight2000@mpgn.com Date: 29 March 1999 10:15 Subject: Twilight 2000 1st Edition Player Charts >My name is Nick Lawrence, and I have recently aquired the 1st Edition >Box Set second hand. After checking the contents the player charts were >missing. The original owner of the set could not find them, so I'm >unable to use the system. > >If any Twilight 2000 GM's/Players have a Player's chart could you >contact me or Aaron Jones on aaron.jones@virgin.net >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #28 ************************************