twilight2000-digest Sunday, March 14 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 026 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: Harpoon (was Trade War) Re: Several Space Topics Re: Module Reviews Re: Module Reviews Re: Several Space Topics Re: Several Space Topics Re: Harpoon (was Trade War) Re: Several Space Topics GPS New stuff I am new to this mailing list Re: I am new to this mailing list FAS.org Re: New stuff Re: New stuff Re: FAS.org Re: FAS.org Re: New stuff Re: FAS.org Re: FAS.org Re: New stuff Website Update Re: Several Space Topics Re: Several Space Topics ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:11:15 PST From: "Brandon Cope" Subject: Re: Harpoon (was Trade War) >From: Scott David Orr >>I have an older version of the computer game, and I get whacked by the >>Russians repeatedly. >> >Heh. You should practice more, the AI isn't very good in either the >original or Harpoon II, so if you can learn the right tricks you should be >able to beat it. :) I normally don't devote a lot of time to computer games (outside of non-arcade baseball), so I usually don't find the little tricks. I did find out that if you reset your course as soon as possible, it made a big difference. A generosu and sadistic GM, Brandon Cope Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:17:33 +0100 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: Several Space Topics Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, ClayRBush@aol.com produced: > GPS > ==== > There are 15+ GPS satellites in high orbit, with useful lives over a > decade. They are not EMP shielded, AFAIK. There are plans to periodically > replace them, but even if only 2-6 survive you would have a usable navigation > system. > With 2 you just triangulate...and allow that orbital decay (atmospheric > drag, solar gravity and lunar gravity, etc.) makes the position a lot less > accurate than it is currently. Even with six satellites active, you would not > have a 10-20 meter accuracy. But you would have less than a quarter kilometer > acuracy at worst case. Note that you actually need to have line of sight to the satellites for getting data. Even recently (dunno if it still applies) you'd have up to 4 hours without GPS coverage in some polar regions IIRC. With just 2 satellites that means the best areas get (as a best case) lousy[1] GPS coverage 2/3rds of the time. And since the orbits are well-known, all you need is put a rock/spent satellite on collision course ... bye bye GPS sat. [1] with just one satellite in sight. And that implies very high orbits, so you get 2/3rds coverage. > Permanent Telephone Satellites > ======================= > Just _three_ commercial satellites in ultra-high orbit can cover the > entire globe from "fixed" positions. However, they either need almost stupid amounts of transponders and special 'directional' antennas[2] or their throughput is very limited: there is only a limited band of frequencies you can use, and you have to split them for 1/3rd of the world. However, the farther north/south you get, the more horizontally the waves will arrive, interfering with trees, hills/mountains and buildings. Not to mention that they get weaker because the same power is spread over a much larger area (compare midday to sunrise/sunset). [2] for example a flat array of antennas which can send in free selectable directions (and in as many of them at the same time as you have the computing power to calculate and electrical power to send) by using interferences. Typical resolution is up to 1 degree. > They are fixed because at that distance > their light mass and orbital mechanics result in a orbit exactly equal to 24 > hours. Their mass has nothing to do with the result, as long as they have significantly less mass[3] than the earth. The moon, for example, would fit there, too. [3] lighter is a bad word here, since they are continously falling round the earth and have no apparent 'heavy' mass > They are so far out that no killer stallite system seems likely to target > them. You would have to put a rocket in orbit, and they are a lot less > valuable than other targets. Depends on many things. There are a lot of geostationary satellites, not only communication ones. Think weather satellites, for example. And to kill them, again, just throw a rock (or shoot a bullet) so that a collision will happen. They are really just sitting ducks, worse, they can't avoid much even if they knew it came. If you want to take them out, you could even launch magnetic mines in an orbit which cuts or touches the geostationary orbit at one point. Sooner or later most any satellite will get close enough. Boom[4]. It may take a couple of weeks, but there's really nothing you can do against it. [4] can you say tactical nuke for added fun? > Reflective surfaces reflect beams back to the earth, which minimize power > used. That was true for the first ones, like early bird (which was just a reflective ball of 30 odd meters diameter). Todays satellites don't use that, because it does not allow them to amplify the signal properly, not to mention it does play heck with any angular accuracy. > Solar panels are used, because these satellites aren't meant for > maintenance. The power just keeps the computer running, which receives and > implements occasion course corrections. Solar panels are used because they are close enough to the sun to use them. Solar panels are cheaper and often easier than nuclear batteries. > Nuclear Batteries > ============= > There is a treaty outlawing nuclear weapons in space. There is no > restriction on nuclear power plants. > All soviet recon satellites were nuclear powered. Solar panels would only > increase size and atmospheric drag, shortening their useful life. Soviet > practice was to orbit the satellite over deep ocean. (The quantity of nuclear > waste was immaterial; it measured in grams.) Hmmm. Say measured in 100's of grams (after all you need to generate quite a bit of heat to use it as a radio battery). Still nothing compared to the nukes around. > Many American probes sent to distant planets have had nuclear power. > Solar power is preferred now, but, recently, Cassini just had to have one. ... since you can't use solar panels everywhere. - -Wolfgang - -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. How to dominate the Internet/WWW/etc? Destroy the protocols! See: http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:41:28 EST From: MarkChest@aol.com Subject: Re: Module Reviews Yes. If you have Twilight 2000 1st edition, however they could be converted for use with Version 2 or 2.2 (How I don't know, but if someone could tell me I'd love to know!!). However Merc 2000 is for use with version 2 and 2.2, and it gives a brand new background to Twilight campaigns. Instead of being miles behind Enemy lines, with very little support, you can run a Mercenary group fighting it out in exotic parts of the world using air and artillery support to lend a hand to your missions. So all in all it really depends what version you have of Twilight 2000. If you have both like me then I'd go for any of them. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:16:41 -0500 From: loonz857@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Module Reviews This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BE6C9B.54EB73C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The first too are pretty good; Allegheny Uprising: Details a secret cache of equipment, but serves as = an outline for regional adventures. With little modification we nursed = it for months. =20 Airlords of the Ozarks: Provides plans for an airship and use of light = aircraft (ultralights), the adventure has little value cept that the = concept could be swapped to just about any region or plot line. Had fun with both of them. -----Original Message----- From: Peter To: twilight2000@mpgn.com Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 6:35 AM Subject: Module Reviews =20 =20 I'm thinking of picking up the following modules: =20 Allegheny Uprising =20 Airlords of the Ozarks =20 Gateway to the Spainish Main =20 Boomer =20 Last Battle =20 Merc:2000 Gazetteer =20 Are they any good? I know somebody mentioned the system used in = 'Last Battle', is this any good? =20 Peter - ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BE6C9B.54EB73C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The first too are pretty = good; Allegheny Uprising: Details a secret = cache of=20 equipment, but serves as an outline for regional adventures. With = little=20 modification we nursed it for months. Airlords of the Ozarks: Provides = plans for an=20 airship and use of light aircraft (ultralights), the adventure has = little value=20 cept that the concept could be swapped to just about any region or plot=20 line. Had fun with both of them. -----Original = Message----- From:=20 Peter Date:=20 Friday, March 12, 1999 6:35 AM Subject: Module=20 Reviews I'm thinking of picking up the = following=20 modules: Allegheny Uprising Airlords of the = Ozarks Gateway to the Spainish = Main Boomer Last Battle Merc:2000 Gazetteer Are they any good? I know = somebody mentioned=20 the system used in 'Last Battle', is this any good? Peter - ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BE6C9B.54EB73C0-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:46:21 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Cook Subject: Re: Several Space Topics - ---ClayRBush@aol.com wrote: > > Recon Satellites > ============ > Tactical satellites travel in low orbits, because being closer gives a > higher resolution. As a result, they encounter more atmospheric drag and do > not last longer than a year. Soviet launches were into polar orbits, which > lasted only 2-3 months. i believe tactical recon sats last a lot longer than a year. otherwise KH-11s would be falling out of the sky all the time. actually, one of the most important considerations in their lifespan is fuel, as they only carry a limited amount, and can only cover a small portion of the world with their orbit. thus, if a crisis erupts somewhere where there is currently no coverage, the orbit of one of the satellites must be adjusted. Also, depending on the importance of the crisis, more than one satellite may be moved into an orbit that will include the region, to allow for better coverage, since their orbit is fairly slow (i don't know the exact time, perhaps as long as 18 hours or more). I don't know much about the soviet sats, though one of their main missions during the war would be to cover the atlantic to locate the convoys. Michael Cook _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:17:34 -0500 From: "Chuck Mandus" Subject: Re: Several Space Topics - -----Original Message----- From: ClayRBush@aol.com To: twilight2000@mpgn.com Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 11:48 PM Subject: Re: Several Space Topics >GPS >==== > There are 15+ GPS satellites in high orbit, with useful lives over a >decade. They are not EMP shielded, AFAIK. There are plans to periodically >replace them, but even if only 2-6 survive you would have a usable navigation >system. > With 2 you just triangulate...and allow that orbital decay (atmospheric >drag, solar gravity and lunar gravity, etc.) makes the position a lot less >accurate than it is currently. Even with six satellites active, you would not >have a 10-20 meter accuracy. But you would have less than a quarter kilometer >acuracy at worst case. If I remember correctly, you would need at least two of them to determine your position via latitude and longitude and you would need a third sat to get your elevation. The big deal here is there might be 5 or 6 sats that would be left if the GPS constellation was taken out but you have to be fourtunate enough to have 2 or bnetter yet 3 sats in "line-of-sight" of the GPS receiver for it to work so there might be times when GPS will be out several hours a day. > Reflective surfaces reflect beams back to the earth, which minimize power >used. Solar panels are used, because these satellites aren't meant for >maintenance. The power just keeps the computer running, which receives and >implements occasion course corrections. The earliest satellite I know of that was used for communications was the Echo series. Basically they were just a big, metallic lined baloon sent into orbit that acted as a passive reflecter. You have no way for the satellite to amplify and/or store signals like we have today. I guess in a TW2K situation, the Echo series would be better than nothing if CivGov, MilGov, the USSR, etc had facilities left to launch small rockets into orbit. Chuck DE KA3WRW *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:43:26 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Harpoon (was Trade War) At 08:11 AM 3/12/99 PST, Brandon Cope wrote: >>From: Scott David Orr >>>I have an older version of the computer game, and I get whacked by the >>>Russians repeatedly. >>> >>Heh. You should practice more, the AI isn't very good in either the >>original or Harpoon II, so if you can learn the right tricks you should >be >>able to beat it. :) > >I normally don't devote a lot of time to computer games (outside of >non-arcade baseball), so I usually don't find the little tricks. I did >find out that if you reset your course as soon as possible, it made a >big difference. > Ah...okay, the AI may be given info on your course and position to give it a leg up--or maybe things like subarmines strewn along your planned path make things hard. Since I tend to alter course in this type of game as soon as possible I would never have noticed this. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:32:03 -0500 From: loonz857@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Several Space Topics Ok, while on a mission to Massachusettes this year I worked with a GPS engineer, (specific contractor eludes me). However this is what I gleened from our conversation, with GPS if no one can or does maintain the GPS ground equipment then any satellites left will be useless instantly, as soon as the gear is offline. The premise is (I suppose) Northstar must first triangulate the Sats then tell the Sats where they are, then they can tell the individual receivers for the receivers to calculate a fix. The specifics of this I have not researched. - -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Mandus To: twilight2000@mpgn.com Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 6:17 PM Subject: Re: Several Space Topics >-----Original Message----- >From: ClayRBush@aol.com >To: twilight2000@mpgn.com >Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 11:48 PM >Subject: Re: Several Space Topics > > >>GPS >>==== >> There are 15+ GPS satellites in high orbit, with useful lives over a >>decade. They are not EMP shielded, AFAIK. There are plans to periodically >>replace them, but even if only 2-6 survive you would have a usable >navigation >>system. >> With 2 you just triangulate...and allow that orbital decay (atmospheric >>drag, solar gravity and lunar gravity, etc.) makes the position a lot less >>accurate than it is currently. Even with six satellites active, you would >not >>have a 10-20 meter accuracy. But you would have less than a quarter >kilometer >>acuracy at worst case. > > >If I remember correctly, you would need at least two of them to determine >your position via latitude and longitude and you would need a third sat to >get your elevation. The big deal here is there might be 5 or 6 sats that >would be left if the GPS constellation was taken out but you have to be >fourtunate enough to have 2 or bnetter yet 3 sats in "line-of-sight" of the >GPS receiver for it to work so there might be times when GPS will be out >several hours a day. > >> Reflective surfaces reflect beams back to the earth, which minimize >power >>used. Solar panels are used, because these satellites aren't meant for >>maintenance. The power just keeps the computer running, which receives and >>implements occasion course corrections. > > >The earliest satellite I know of that was used for communications was the >Echo series. Basically they were just a big, metallic lined baloon sent >into orbit that acted as a passive reflecter. You have no way for the >satellite to amplify and/or store signals like we have today. I guess in a >TW2K situation, the Echo series would be better than nothing if CivGov, >MilGov, the USSR, etc had facilities left to launch small rockets into >orbit. > >Chuck > >DE KA3WRW > > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:36:08 -0500 From: loonz857@mindspring.com Subject: GPS The information about my previous message can be found at this URL. http://www.vartax.demon.nl/watisgps.htm *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:46:59 -0500 From: loonz857@mindspring.com Subject: New stuff I've been asked allot lately through my page and have seen the question arise here and WEBRPG (which I haven't been able to get into since Thursday) about where you can get books so I've posted a page at my site http://t2k.findhere.com, I've also put in a Classifieds section for specific requests. Along with that, it got a big overhaul last night, with some new links. Come on by and have a gander, woncha? Loonz loonz857@yahoo.com http://bookmark.findhere.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:52:27 EST From: ALIEN1UFO@aol.com Subject: I am new to this mailing list can some one inform me on all of the important stuff that has gone on in this message board *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:27:01 -0800 From: Snake Eyes Subject: Re: I am new to this mailing list Welcome to the list. Traffic kind of varies. Topics lately have mostly included questions about house rules (or rule clarifications), new hardware, effects of nukes/EMP, satellites & navigation, changes to the alternate history, real-world military & geopolitical affairs, and the coming Y2K meltdown. Pretty much anything goes. Just remember to have a thick skin and be polite. If you've got a web page, post the URL. ~Snake Eyes At 03:52 PM 3/13/99 -0500, ALIEN1UFO wrote: >can some one inform me on all of the important stuff that has gone on in this >message board *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:14:39 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: FAS.org I've been looking through fas.org, does anyone know anything about this organization? - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:30:15 +1100 From: "Peter" Subject: Re: New stuff - -----Original Message----- From: loonz857@mindspring.com To: T2K Mailing List Date: Sunday, 14 March 1999 6:55 Subject: New stuff >I've been asked allot lately through my page and have seen the question >arise here and WEBRPG (which I haven't been able to get into since Thursday) >about where you can get books so I've posted a page at my site >http://t2k.findhere.com, I've also put in a Classifieds section for specific >requests. > >Along with that, it got a big overhaul last night, with some new links. > >Come on by and have a gander, woncha? > >Loonz Excellent idea! Has anyone got reviews for the different books up anywhere? I have no idea which modules are worth chasing up and which to pass on. Peter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:00:01 -0500 From: loonz857@mindspring.com Subject: Re: New stuff guess I know what Im doin tonight then - -----Original Message----- From: Peter To: twilight2000@mpgn.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 8:41 PM Subject: Re: New stuff > >-----Original Message----- >From: loonz857@mindspring.com >To: T2K Mailing List >Date: Sunday, 14 March 1999 6:55 >Subject: New stuff > > >>I've been asked allot lately through my page and have seen the question >>arise here and WEBRPG (which I haven't been able to get into since >Thursday) >>about where you can get books so I've posted a page at my site >>http://t2k.findhere.com, I've also put in a Classifieds section for >specific >>requests. >> >>Along with that, it got a big overhaul last night, with some new links. >> >>Come on by and have a gander, woncha? >> >>Loonz > > >Excellent idea! Has anyone got reviews for the different books up anywhere? >I have no idea which modules are worth chasing up and which to pass on. > >Peter > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:30:45 -0800 From: Snake Eyes Subject: Re: FAS.org Peter: Not to be a smart-ass, but this is what it says on the entry page to their site: "The Federation of American Scientists is engaged in analysis and advocacy on science, technology and public policy for global security. A privately-funded non-profit policy organization whose Board of Sponsors includes over 55 American Nobel Laureates, FAS was founded as the Federation of Atomic Scientists in 1945 by members of the Manhattan Project who produced the first atomic bomb." There's more at [http://www.fas.org/about.htm] They seem to be mostly concerned with nuclear arms control & disarmament, but are branching out into energy, agriculture and medicine. The FAS site is a great resource for info on nukes. Again, sorry if I'm just re-stating the obvious. ~Snake Eyes At 05:14 PM 3/13/99 -0800, Peter Vieth wrote: >I've been looking through fas.org, does anyone know anything about this >organization? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:39:33 -0700 From: rogue09@sprynet.com Subject: Re: FAS.org Peter Vieth wrote: > I've been looking through fas.org, does anyone know anything about this > organization? Pretty much what seems, very accurate and detailed info on a myriad of subjects-their info on nuclear exposure is good... T.R. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:41:32 -0700 From: rogue09@sprynet.com Subject: Re: New stuff loonz857@mindspring.com wrote: > guess I know what Im doin tonight then When I get the links problem fixed out on my site Loonz I'll have to let you know-I've got 6 revolvers (the 7 & 8 round 357 Magnum types)... T.R. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:08:44 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: FAS.org Well I just mean that I have never heard of them before. I haven't looked over the info about them very closely, but it doesn't say much about how they work. Seems kinda weird to me. They do, of course, have some really good info on their site. Snake Eyes wrote: > Peter: > > Not to be a smart-ass, but this is what it says on the entry page to their > site: > > "The Federation of American Scientists is engaged in analysis and advocacy > on science, technology and public policy for global security. A > privately-funded non-profit policy organization whose Board of Sponsors > includes over 55 American Nobel Laureates, FAS was founded as the > Federation of Atomic Scientists in 1945 by members of the Manhattan Project > who produced the first atomic bomb." > > There's more at [http://www.fas.org/about.htm] They seem to be mostly > concerned with nuclear arms control & disarmament, but are branching out > into energy, agriculture and medicine. The FAS site is a great resource > for info on nukes. > > Again, sorry if I'm just re-stating the obvious. > > ~Snake Eyes > > At 05:14 PM 3/13/99 -0800, Peter Vieth wrote: > >I've been looking through fas.org, does anyone know anything about this > >organization? > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. - -- ([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek]-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:43:39 -0500 From: loonz857@mindspring.com Subject: Re: FAS.org I new thet existed and did arms studies, but some of the others tuff was not what I expected. - -----Original Message----- From: Peter Vieth To: twilight2000@mpgn.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 11:08 PM Subject: Re: FAS.org >Well I just mean that I have never heard of them before. I haven't looked over >the info about them very closely, but it doesn't say much about how they work. >Seems kinda weird to me. They do, of course, have some really good info on >their site. > >Snake Eyes wrote: > >> Peter: >> >> Not to be a smart-ass, but this is what it says on the entry page to their >> site: >> >> "The Federation of American Scientists is engaged in analysis and advocacy >> on science, technology and public policy for global security. A >> privately-funded non-profit policy organization whose Board of Sponsors >> includes over 55 American Nobel Laureates, FAS was founded as the >> Federation of Atomic Scientists in 1945 by members of the Manhattan Project >> who produced the first atomic bomb." >> >> There's more at [http://www.fas.org/about.htm] They seem to be mostly >> concerned with nuclear arms control & disarmament, but are branching out >> into energy, agriculture and medicine. The FAS site is a great resource >> for info on nukes. >> >> Again, sorry if I'm just re-stating the obvious. >> >> ~Snake Eyes >> >> At 05:14 PM 3/13/99 -0800, Peter Vieth wrote: >> >I've been looking through fas.org, does anyone know anything about this >> >organization? >> >> *************************************************************************** >> To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >> 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > >-- >([-[Peter Vieth]-) (-[fitek@ix.netcom.com]-) (-[http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek]-) > > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:38:19 +1100 From: "Peter" Subject: Re: New stuff - -----Original Message----- From: loonz857@mindspring.com To: twilight2000@mpgn.com Date: Sunday, 14 March 1999 13:08 Subject: Re: New stuff >guess I know what Im doin tonight then (Me) Thanks I'd appreciate this. On a slightly different thread: Has anybody came up with a better way of handling shooting through cars than T2K? The game gives cars and such a value of 1. This stops 9mm. From what I understand at close range a 9mm will go straight through a car body. I think the engine block would provide a tad more protection, than say the boot. Has anyone converted V1 modules to V2.2. The vehicles and weapons are okay, mainly the skills. I guess dividing v1 skills by 10 will give the v2 level but what about other stats like strength? Regards Peter *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:11:11 +1100 From: "Peter" Subject: Website Update This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE6E5F.300D9EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Just added the Swedish Carl Gustav recoilless rifle and the Russian = AT-14 Kornet anti-tank guided missile. Pleas point out if I've made any = errors, or mention any other info on these two systems.=20 Regards Peter http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Capsule/6480/T2K.html - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE6E5F.300D9EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Just added the Swedish Carl Gustav recoilless rifle = and the=20 Russian AT-14 Kornet anti-tank guided missile. Pleas point out if I've = made any=20 errors, or mention any other info on these two systems. Regards Peter http://www= .geocities.com/Area51/Capsule/6480/T2K.html - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE6E5F.300D9EA0-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:18:41 +0100 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: Several Space Topics Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, loonz857@mindspring.com produced: > Ok, while on a mission to Massachusettes this year I worked with a GPS > engineer, (specific contractor eludes me). However this is what I gleened > from our conversation, with GPS if no one can or does maintain the GPS > ground equipment then any satellites left will be useless instantly, as soon > as the gear is offline. The premise is (I suppose) Northstar must first > triangulate the Sats then tell the Sats where they are, then they can tell > the individual receivers for the receivers to calculate a fix. Immediately would probably too fast. I'd expect the accuracy to slowly degrade to complete uselessness within some weeks (or even months) ... orbits change slowly. However there will be backup stations, and it should even be possible to build up a new station if the need arises without having serious[1] degraded signal in between. Assuming there is the money, the expertise and --- most of all --- the will to build such a thing. Which is no given in TW:2K. [1] i.e. it'll be good enough to navigate, but probably off by quite some meters. - -Wolfgang - -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. How to dominate the Internet/WWW/etc? Destroy the protocols! See: http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:11:41 +0100 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: Several Space Topics Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, firestorm_2021@yahoo.com produced: [moving spy-satellites to change coverage, limited fuel] agreed > to allow for better coverage, since their orbit is fairly slow (i > don't know the exact time, perhaps as long as 18 hours or more). That would imply a rather high orbit, since the time and the orbit are directly connected to each other. Unless we are talking about a highly excentric orbit, they will be *far* away from the earth all of the time. Thus I think that information would be wrong ... and the orbit would be around 1 or 1.5 hours. Maybe your info was about till they are in approximately the same spot over the earth again. That could be, since the earth rotates under them (think of an (almost) polar route with an exactly one hour orbit ...) > I don't know much about the soviet sats, though one of their main > missions during the war would be to cover the atlantic to locate the > convoys. And spy where which armies move, etc. - -Wolfgang - -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. How to dominate the Internet/WWW/etc? Destroy the protocols! See: http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #26 ************************************ To subscribe to Twilight2000-Digest, send the command: subscribe twilight2000-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@MPGN.COM". 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