twilight2000-digest Tuesday, January 26 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 007 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: Canadian Involvement (long) Re: NAVY SEAL PBEM Re: Swiss ABM defense systems? Re: Canadian Involvement order of battle World Resources Surviving Nations Re: NAVY SEAL PBEM Re: NAVY SEAL PBEM Merc:2000 Money Question Re: Merc:2000 Money Question Canadian Forces Info European Theatre SF Activity Re: Canadian Forces Info European theatre comment... Re: RMP (was re: European Theatre Comment) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:05:08 -0800 From: Troy Hansen Subject: Re: Canadian Involvement (long) Josh Baumgartner wrote: > Unfortunately, I am unable to locate a copy of the NATO Combat Vehicle > Guide v.1, and am interested to see what it says in regards to > Canadian OOB/Units. > S2000 Here's Canada's entry from the NATO Vehicle Guide(GDW, 1989): Canadian forces fought with distinction during the war in Germany and Scandinavia, as well as on their own territory. By 1-JUL-00, Canadian forces are still engaged against a number of Soviet and ex-Soviet units in western Canada and in northern Poland as part of the XI US Corps. Order of Battle(as of 1-JUL-00) MARITIME COMMAND Current Location: Canadian Maritimes 1st Infantry Brigade 1/Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry 2/Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry 3/Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry ATTACHED TO US XI CORPS Current Location: Northern Poland 4th Mechanised Brigade 1/Royal 22e Regiment 2/Royal 22e Regiment 1/British Columbia Regiment(A) 1/Canadian Airborne Regiment Unit History and Current Status as of 1-JUL-00 1ST INFANTRY BRIGADE Originally part of the SACEUR mobile force reserve, this unit was sent to Norway on 10-OCT-96. It entered combat against Soviet forces in the Tromso-Bardufoss area on 4-DEC-96. In the spring of 1997, the brigade was part of the Litsa River defense line. As the US and British forces made their move through northern Finland, the 1st Brigade held the pivot position against several Soviet and Finnish counterattacks. When the front stabilized in August, the 1st was withdrawn to Canada, where it split into its component regiments and assumed internal administrative duties. Subordination: Canadian Maritime Command Current Location: Quebec and New Brunswick, Canada Manpower: 1050 4TH MECHANISED BRIGADE A prewar unit stationed in West Germany(remember, this is T2k v1), the 4th MB crossed the inter-German border on 9-DEC-96 and engaged Soviet forces on 12-DEC-96. Throughout most of 1997, the 4th MB operated under the command of V US Corps. In January of 1998, the brigade was reassigned to XI US Corps. In the spring of 2000, the brigade took part in the corps' drive into northern Poland. The brigade is currently in winter cantonments in and around the city of Karlino, Poland. Subordination: XI US Corps Current Location: Karlino, Poland Manpower: 1000 Tanks: 6 Authorized Levels of Principal Combat Vehicles and Weapons (Pre-war) MECHANISED BATTALION HQ and HQ Company: 2 M2 Bradley IFVs 2 M577 TOCs (Staff) 2 M113 Light Armored Recovery Vehicles Support Company: 4 M113s 7 Lynxs (Recon Platoon) 8 M125 SP 81mm Mortars (Mortar Platoon) 8 M901 ITVs (AT Platoon) Four Mech. Inf. Companies, each with: 16 M113s 9 Tankbreaker ATGMs (1 per squad) TANK BATTALION HQ and HQ Squadron: 2 Leopard C1 MBTs 2 M577 TOCs (Staff) 2 M113s 3 Tankbreaker ATGMs Recon Squadron 24 Lynxs 21 Tankbreaker ATGMs Three Armored Squadrons, each with: 1 M577 13 Leopard C1 MBTs LIGHT ARMORED BATTALION HQ and HQ Company: 2 M557 TOCs (Staff) 2 M113s Three Light Armored Companies, each with: 24 LAV-25s 4 LAV/81mm Mortars 4 MPGS 90s Aerial Recce Squadron: 11 Lynx Helicopters INFANTRY BATTALION HQ and HQ Company: 7 Lynxs (Recon Platoon) Mechanised Infantry Company: 16 M113s 9 Carl Gustav Recoilless Rifles Three Motorized Infantry Companies, each with: 11 LAV-25s 3 Carl Gustav Recoilless Rifles Support Company 2 LAV-25s 8 LAV/AAs w/TOW II 8 LAV/81mm Mortars ARTILLERY REGIMENT HQ and HQ/Support Battery: 4 M577 TOCs (Staff) 8 M113 FIST-Vs (FO Platoon) 8 M548 Ammo Tractors Three Firing Batteries, each with either: 6 M109A2 SP 155mms, or 6 Towed 105mm Howitzers and Tractors (As stated at the start, the above info is taken directly from _NATO Vehicle Guide_, "Canadian Army", pg. 7-8, GDW 1989.) I'm not sure if all of the listed equipment made the jump from v1.0 to v2.0-2.2 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:15:27 EST From: IndyJonesB@aol.com Subject: Re: NAVY SEAL PBEM i cant seem to find the navy seals PBEM on onelist...Is it no longer in use?? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:56:35 +0100 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: Swiss ABM defense systems? Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, fitek@ix.netcom.com produced: > > Dr. Strangelove or how I stopped worrying and started to love > > the bomb > You know how the premier loves surprises! Gentlemen, this is the warroom. You can't fight in here. - -Wolfgang - -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. How to dominate the Internet/WWW/etc? Destroy the protocols! See: http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:34:13 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Baumgartner Subject: Re: Canadian Involvement Thanks! Interesting that they note the 1st Brigade ends up under "Maritime Command", seeing as that is just the Naval component of the Canadian Armed Forces...is it just a miscue? thinking that "Maritime Command" meant the area command over the Maritime Provinces? or does it indicate some kind of higher political/command changes in the Canadian leadership? > > Order of Battle(as of 1-JUL-00) > MARITIME COMMAND > Current Location: Canadian Maritimes > 1st Infantry Brigade > 1/Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry > 2/Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry > 3/Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry > > > Unit History and Current Status as of 1-JUL-00 > > 1ST INFANTRY BRIGADE > Originally part of the SACEUR mobile force reserve, this unit was sent to > Norway on 10-OCT-96. It entered combat against Soviet forces in the > Tromso-Bardufoss area on 4-DEC-96. In the spring of 1997, the brigade was part > of the Litsa River defense line. As the US and British forces made their move > through northern Finland, the 1st Brigade held the pivot position against > several Soviet and Finnish counterattacks. When the front stabilized in > August, the 1st was withdrawn to Canada, where it split into its component > regiments and assumed internal administrative duties. > Subordination: Canadian Maritime Command > Current Location: Quebec and New Brunswick, Canada > Manpower: 1050 > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:19:18 PST From: "Joshua Lueck" Subject: order of battle I need some information form the united States combat vechile handbook The copy that I have is mixing pages 102 to the end of the book can someone please email me with the information. Joshua Lueck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:47:09 -0000 From: "Mark Oliver" Subject: World Resources This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01BE4847.ACCF57A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Thanks for everybody who's contributed towards the page of world = resources, I've finally got around to updating it after spending some = time away from the office. For those who don't know here's the address; http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Bunker/5224/rpg/t2k/t2k.html We've got some good providers for the US and Scandinavia which I'm = pleased with. There is still a big hole for central Europe though. = Anyone willing/able to lend a hand? Once again thanks to all who have volunteered themselves. Regards Mark Oliver-Macklin - ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01BE4847.ACCF57A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Thanks for everybody who's contributed towards the = page of=20 world resources, I've finally got around to updating it after spending = some time=20 away from the office. For those who don't know here's the = address; majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:48:45 -0000 From: "Mark Oliver" Subject: Surviving Nations This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_010A_01BE4858.A9BE5E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's been a bit of discussion about which countries would still exist = in a fairly organised fashion. I would take organised to mean that = industry exists, that the people of the country are 'comfortable' = (whatever this may mean in the T2K world, not starving and relatively = disease free would be a good start) and that the country is able to = guarantee its security from the warring forces around it. This may not be a problem for some nations but I have my doubts as to = the state of any country on mainland Europe. Someone else has already = mentioned that in the T2K background it does say that industrial centres = of neutral countries were attacked in the nuclear exchanges. I think = that will apply particularly to a region such as Europe where the armies = have been pushing backwards and forwards for some time. Consider the situation of Denmark. The 'frontline' for a lot of the war = appears to have been in Poland, Denmark would not have been easily = accessible by land bound Pact forces. NATO forces on the other hand = would have land routes open to them for Denmark. Imagine if Denmark did = stay out of the war, using W.Germanys intervention in E.Germany as a = reason for not fulfilling its NATO commitments. Eventually most of the = industry in the warring European nations would have been destroyed. If = Denmark were to still have a good industrial base then NATO would be = sorely tempted to invade. Whether or not they actually did any = commander of the Pact forces must have realised the temptation that = Denmark offered. The Pact should have realised that obtaining the = assets of Denmark was not viable for themselves but was viable to the = enemy. Once a nuclear exchange has begun denying the enemy these = potential resources by using nuclear warheads would be the logical step. I think the above would count for any 'neutral' nation that was easily = accessible by either side. These nations industries would last longer = than those of an aligned country but could not be allowed to survive in = the long term. Even in the even that a nation could hold itself together after having = its industrial base destroyed (food processing and distribution?) could = it then organise itself to a sufficient degree to cope with the pressure = of refugees, radioactive fallout and disease? My image of Europe in the T2K world is one where there is no real = surviving industry or national governments. I can't picture an Island = state defending its borders and surviving as a haven among chaos. I do think that the Scandanavian countries would fair far better than = most given the difficulties that a refugee population would have in = reaching them (and thus spread disease) and the difficulty in either = NATO or the Pact getting resources out. There's a good case for both = the Pact and NATO commanders seeing those areas as non-viable to either = side and thus not worth the effort of destruction. - ------=_NextPart_000_010A_01BE4858.A9BE5E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's been a bit of discussion = about which=20 countries would still exist in a fairly organised fashion. I would = take=20 organised to mean that industry exists, that the people of the country = are=20 'comfortable' (whatever this may mean in the T2K world, not starving and = relatively disease free would be a good start) and that the country is = able to=20 guarantee its security from the warring forces around it. This may not be a problem for some = nations but I=20 have my doubts as to the state of any country on mainland Europe. = Someone=20 else has already mentioned that in the T2K background it does say that=20 industrial centres of neutral countries were attacked in the nuclear=20 exchanges. I think that will apply particularly to a region such = as Europe=20 where the armies have been pushing backwards and forwards for some=20 time. Consider the situation of = Denmark. The=20 'frontline' for a lot of the war appears to have been in Poland, Denmark = would=20 not have been easily accessible by land bound Pact forces. NATO = forces on=20 the other hand would have land routes open to them for Denmark. = Imagine if=20 Denmark did stay out of the war, using W.Germanys intervention in = E.Germany as a=20 reason for not fulfilling its NATO commitments. Eventually most of = the=20 industry in the warring European nations would have been = destroyed. If=20 Denmark were to still have a good industrial base then NATO would be = sorely=20 tempted to invade. Whether or not they actually did any commander = of the=20 Pact forces must have realised the temptation that Denmark = offered. The=20 Pact should have realised that obtaining the assets of Denmark was not = viable=20 for themselves but was viable to the enemy. Once a nuclear = exchange has=20 begun denying the enemy these potential resources by using nuclear = warheads=20 would be the logical step. I think the above would count for = any 'neutral'=20 nation that was easily accessible by either side. These nations = industries=20 would last longer than those of an aligned country but could not be = allowed to=20 survive in the long term. Even in the even that a nation could = hold itself=20 together after having its industrial base destroyed (food processing and = distribution?) could it then organise itself to a sufficient degree to = cope with=20 the pressure of refugees, radioactive fallout and disease? My image of Europe in the T2K world = is one where=20 there is no real surviving industry or national governments. I = can't=20 picture an Island state defending its borders and surviving as a haven = among=20 chaos. I do think that the Scandanavian = countries would=20 fair far better than most given the difficulties that a refugee = population would=20 have in reaching them (and thus spread disease) and the difficulty in = either=20 NATO or the Pact getting resources out. There's a good case for = both the=20 Pact and NATO commanders seeing those areas as non-viable to either side = and=20 thus not worth the effort of destruction. - ------=_NextPart_000_010A_01BE4858.A9BE5E60-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:15:56 CST From: "yard sale" Subject: Re: NAVY SEAL PBEM From: IndyJonesB@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:15:27 EST To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Subject: Re: NAVY SEAL PBEM Reply-To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM i cant seem to find the navy seals PBEM on onelist...Is it no longer in use?? It is currently down. Unless more ppl want to play, it'll stay closed yardsale - yardsale01@hotmail.com ICQ# 17236347 FFRPG PBEM: http://www.wcnet.net/ffrpg/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:16:34 CST From: "yard sale" Subject: Re: NAVY SEAL PBEM From: IndyJonesB@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:15:27 EST To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Subject: Re: NAVY SEAL PBEM Reply-To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM i cant seem to find the navy seals PBEM on onelist...Is it no longer in use?? It is currently down. Unless more ppl want to play, it'll stay closed yardsale - yardsale01@hotmail.com ICQ# 17236347 FFRPG PBEM: http://www.wcnet.net/ffrpg/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:45:08 From: "Timothy Moerke" Subject: Merc:2000 Money Question I have a question regarding character's starting money and equipment in Merc:2000. In T2K, each character gets $5000 times terms spent in the military, doubled for officers and those with idle rich backgrounds. But the Merc:2000 rules state that charcters "earn money the same way...the amount for each career differs, however," but then does not say what the new rules are. It does mention that characters with military backgrounds get a basic load sans weapons, but that's about it. Does anyone know how it should be handled? Thanks! Tim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:59:58 -0800 From: Troy Hansen Subject: Re: Merc:2000 Money Question Timothy Moerke wrote: > I have a question regarding character's starting money and equipment in > Merc:2000. In T2K, each character gets $5000 times terms spent in the > military, doubled for officers and those with idle rich backgrounds. But > the Merc:2000 rules state that charcters "earn money the same way...the > amount for each career differs, however," but then does not say what the new > rules are. It does mention that characters with military backgrounds get a > basic load sans weapons, but that's about it. Does anyone know how it > should be handled? Thanks! > > Tim Roger Stenning's INTSUM page has an article that cover starting funds in Merc:2000. It can be found in the "Feature Articles" section at: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html Hope this helps. Troy. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:18:30 -0500 From: "bootboy@niagara.com" Subject: Canadian Forces Info Previous Writing: Interesting that they note the 1st Brigade ends up under "Maritime Command", seeing as that is just the Naval component of the Canadian Armed Forces...is it just a miscue? thinking that "Maritime Command" meant the area command over the Maritime Provinces? or does it indicate some kind of higher political/command changes in the Canadian leadership? I think that they made up some of the Canadian Forces information. First of all, there is no Maritime Command. It's referred to as Land Force Atlantic Area (it covers Newfoundland and Labrador, P.E.I., New Brunswick, Nova Scotia). The LFAA is headquartered in Halifax (which gets nuked). The Component Units of the LFAA are the 37 Canadian Brigade Group and the 36 Canadian Brigade Group, plus supporting units. The 1 Brigade should be in the Western part of the country (probably in combat with the Soviets) as it was attached to the Western Land Area. Ray. Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT Download without Scan Scan with McAfee *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:36:20 -0500 From: "bootboy@niagara.com" Subject: European Theatre SF Activity Does anyone have any theories or knowledge of the American Special Forces (Green Berets) in the European Theatre of Operations? The information that I have is limited to: The 19th Special Forces Group is responsible for European operations. (The information that I have is that the 19th is a National Guard unit??) I have information on the organization of a SFG (got to love Field Manuals!) I believe that the Group was based in Bad Tolz, Germany. So with this, I'm trying to flesh out the SF involvement in the ETO. Specifically, I would like opinions on where the Guerrilla Warfare Operational Areas would be designated, the probable locations of the SFOB's (Special Forces Operational Bases), current numbers of personnel left, etc... Ray. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:44:57 -0400 From: wardlow Subject: Re: Canadian Forces Info In fact at the time of the original game being written, there was a maritime command (I still have a badge from it here. Blue shield with a naval anchor on it). In true Canadian fashion it was recycled by naming it the LFAA but it's jurisdiction was the same. If you want information about that time period... Canadian military... you can ask me if you need to. I was a Trooper in the Canadian Armoured Corp during the 70's. Actual Armoured forces in Germany at that time would have been the Royal Canadian Dragoons (RCD's). Recce and TOW troops was handled by Lord Strathcona's Horse Royal Canadians (LdSH RC). Infantry support armoured was 12' eme Regiment Blinde. 8 th Canadian Hussars were Tank training... so they would have been fielded as Tanks and Recce. Probable armoured militia units fielded were 8 th Canadian Hussar militia (Recce..very well trained), Fort Gary Horse ( Recce). Main Infantry Regiments were 1st and 2nd Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. (PPCLI's), Edmonton Airborne Regiment, Van Doo's. Weapons at the time were; FN C1A1 7.62mm assault rifle, C1 Sterling 9mm Machine gun, FN C2 A1 BAR, Browning 30. Cal GPMG, 9mm Browning Hi Power Automatic (Pistol). Standard combat Knife was made by Robt Klasse in Germany. ( Very rare only about 1 in 1,000 soldiers were actually issued one. Out of 20 military or ex- military people..that I showed one to...none could actually identify it. I have mine that I bought from the Regimental Kit shop in '76 ) Vlad bootboy@niagara.com wrote: > Previous Writing: > Interesting that they note the 1st Brigade ends up under "Maritime > Command", seeing as that is just the Naval component of the Canadian > Armed Forces...is it just a miscue? thinking that "Maritime Command" > meant the area command over the Maritime Provinces? or does it > indicate some kind of higher political/command changes in the Canadian > leadership? > > I think that they made up some of the Canadian Forces information. First of > all, there is no Maritime Command. It's referred to as Land Force Atlantic > Area (it covers Newfoundland and Labrador, P.E.I., New Brunswick, Nova > Scotia). The LFAA is headquartered in Halifax (which gets nuked). The > Component Units of the LFAA are the 37 Canadian Brigade Group and the 36 > Canadian Brigade Group, plus supporting units. > The 1 Brigade should be in the Western part of the country (probably in > combat with the Soviets) as it was attached to the Western Land Area. > > Ray. > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > WINMAIL.DAT Type: WordPerfect 7 Document (application/x-unknown-content-type-WP7Doc) > Encoding: x-uuencode > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:56:46 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: European theatre comment... Hi. Y'know, with all this comment about who and what would be in the Europeran theatre of operations (EURTOPS), I would have thought that someone would have thought of the various nationalities Military Police contingents. I'll give you an example, to get the ball rolling... In the British Army, the RMP (Royal Military Police) are tasked not only with the myriad forms of military discipline and law enforcement, but also, in times of conflict, with what we call 'Provost Operations', or ProOps. These activities include, but are not limitted to: * Military Route (both Main Supply Route (MSR) and Axial (leads between, and links to, the MSR system) reconnaisance and maintenance, including placing tactical route signs on the routes, establishing harbour/leaguer areas, identifying critical points on the routes (bridges, potential bottlenecks, etc), establishing Traffic control posts (TPs), and placing MPs as 'Pointsmen' at the critpoints to direct and control the military traffic through those points. * Patrolling the areas controlled by own nationality forces, to ensure that own forces are not only behaving themselves, but to lend assistance to them if required. Such assistance can be anything from giving directions (i.e., the nearest Field Kitchen service point), to stopping refugees from interfering with own forces. * Establishing (normally co-located with TPs) straggler/refugee infoposts and ProInfoPosts (field MP stations). * NBC recce (a hated task, lemme tell you), with the aim of charting and warning signing the edges of Bio/Chem/Nuc contaminated areas. * Advising unit commanders on the aspects of the Genva and Hague convention as it relates to enemy Prisoner of War (EPOW) handling and removal from the battle area. (RMP do NOT guard EPOW; that's the task of the Military Provost Staff Corps (MPSC). As in the Gulf war, MPs are often at the front of, and sometimes ahead of, the main fighing force. REAL FACT EXAMPLE: In the Gulf War, British RMP were tac signing the MRS to the FEBA (Forward Edge of the Battle Area), about three km in advance of the main force, when the came across a minefield laid by the Iraqis. The section dismounted from the Land Rovers, and cleared a path through the mine field, and signed it, before the main fighing force arrived at their location. The Sergeant (now Staff Sergeant) in comand of the team in question was later awarded the Military Medal (highest Army decoration issued in the war) for his actions at the time. SLIGHTLY OT COMMENT: It's rumoured that when he reported his actions to the Deputy Assistant Provost Marshal in theatre after the event, and was asked "What kind of anti-handling devices were there?", he replied "What are those, Sir?". Hopefully, this has given you a new insight into those most freindly and useful of people, the ROYAL MILITARY POLICE, otherwise known as: "The Redcaps". NOTE: RMP were amalgamated with the new Adjudant General's Corps (AGC) in recent army reorganisations, but retain their unique seperate identity. For more information (from the British Army website), follow this link... http://www.army.mod.uk/army/organise/adjutant/main.htm#AGC Later! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger ICQ UIN: 7742586 (Class 'B' UK Radio Amateur, call sign G1LIW; Ex-Corporal, Royal Military Police, British Territorial Army) MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It ALWAYS goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! Main RPG homepages, incorporating Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html _____________________________________________________________ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:04:00 -0000 From: "Tas" Subject: Re: RMP (was re: European Theatre Comment) That is one of the best and most in depth explanations of RMP Duties I have ever seen - it even beats the one they gave me in the careers office (I nearly went RMP but was saved at the last minute....) I always thought all they did was arrest "Innocent" soldiers in Germany :-) Seriously - In the games I have played in (or watched or whatever) most people ignore the importance of the support arms and concentrate on the "glamour" of special forces type jobs. I have worked with RMP people in Bosnia and they actually work quite hard keeping the roads open and manning some remote Dets! (they still arrest innocent squaddies though!) Is there anyone else out there who can enlighten us more about the support arms in theatre? For any Brits out there - do you alter the character creation rules to take into account the differences in the British Army (promotion, training and terms of service mainly) or just play as is? Tas - -----Original Message----- From: Roger Stenning To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Date: 26 January 1999 19:09 Subject: European theatre comment... :Hopefully, this has given you a new insight into those most freindly and :useful of people, the ROYAL MILITARY POLICE, otherwise known as: "The :Redcaps". Amongst other things less printable.... :-) :NOTE: RMP were amalgamated with the new Adjudant General's Corps (AGC) in :recent army reorganisations, but retain their unique seperate identity. AGC = All Girls Corps or Ar**s Glued to Chairs *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1999 #7 ***********************************