twilight2000-digest Thursday, January 21 1999 Volume 1999 : Number 005 The following topics are covered in this digest: Twilight....... Info on Danish military today Re: Canadian Involvement (Long) Re: Canadian Involvement Re: Swiss ABM defense systems? Re: Canadian Involvement Re: Canadian Involvement Re: Campaign Settings RE: Canadian Involvement (Long) Re: Campaigning in the Pac NW Re: Campaigning in the Pac NW Re: Swiss ABM defense systems? Re: Campaigning in the Pac NW Re: Swiss ABM defense systems? Re: Campaigning in the Pac NW Swiss underground facilities. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:12:04 EST From: TrooperJD@aol.com Subject: Twilight....... I have missed the first issue of the Twlight for the year 1999, i would appreciate a resend if possible thank you. JD *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:05:48 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Baumgartner Subject: Info on Danish military today For recent (official) data on Denmark's armed forces, the Danish Armed Forces have their own site: http://www.fko.dk/index_en.htm Click on the facts & figures button and there is a .pdf file with a lot of info on organization & equiptment of all the branches. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Baumgartner Subject: Re: Canadian Involvement (Long) Thanks for all the details on Canadian Forces in Europe. As far as the Canadian 1st Division, I have read (from 'The World's Armies', Chris Westhorp, 1991) that the 1st was to be comprised of both the brigade in Europe (the 4th) as well as another unspecified brigade to be sent there. However, it is not clear if that brigade would be sent to Germany or to Norway, where another battalion is earmarked to be sent to Norway along with the UK Royal Marines. I don't know which brigade in Canada is supposed to be sent. Supposedly there is a further mechanized brigade at home, as well as an infantry brigade. -- S2000 - ---"bootboy@niagara.com" wrote: > > I believe it was S2000 who wrote that he was working on a project to detail > the Canadian involvement in the European Theatre. > > I'm working on a similar project myself. > > My findings so far (pre-war): > > Canadian Forces Europe > Headquarters Canadian Forces Europe, CFB (Canadian Forces Base) Lahr, > Germany > (Another Base is Baden-Soellingen, although it isn't listed as a CFB) > > Formations > > 1st Canadian Division Forward Headquarters, Lahr > > 4th Canadian Mechanized Brigade (subordinate units below): > 4 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Headquarters and Signal Squadron, Lahr > 8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise's), Lahr > 3rd Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment, Baden-Soellingen > 1 Battalion, Royal 22 Regiment (The Van-Doo's), Lahr > 1st Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery, Lahr > 4 Combat Engineer Regiment, Lahr > 4 Service Battalion, Lahr > 4 Field Ambulance, Lahr > 4 Military Police Platoon, Lahr > 444 Tactical Helicopter Squadron, Lahr > > 1st Canadian Air Division (Air Force), subordinate units: > Headquarters 1 Canadian Air Division, Lahr > 3 Fighter Wing, Lahr > 4 Fighter Wing, Baden-Soellingen > 409 Tactical Fighter Squadron, Baden-Soellingen > 421 Tactical Fighter Squadron, Baden-Soellingen > 439 Tactical Fighter Squadron, Baden-Soellingen > 1 Air Maintenance Squadron, Baden-Soellingen > > There are other units stationed in Germany as well. I haven't yet found if > they are subordinate to the Formations above, or are independent under the > Headquarters Canadian Forces Europe in Lahr (I speculate that they are, as > the Headquarters seems to be the controlling unit in the theatre). > > Units > > Canadian Support Group - Forward Mobile Support Unit, Lahr > > Canadian Medical Group - 313 Field Hospital, Lahr and Baden-Soellingen > 319 Forward Medical Depot, Lahr > > CFE Communications Group Headquarters, Lahr > Communications Squadron, Lahr > Communications Squadron, Baden-Soellingen > > 4th Air Defence Regiment RCA, Lahr and Baden-Soellingen > 127 Air Defence Battery, Lahr > 128 Air Defence Battery, Baden-Soellingen > 129 Air Defence Battery, Lahr > 4 Air Defence Workshop, Lahr > > Other Units > > 5 Air Movements Unit, Lahr > 35 Dental Unit, CFB Lahr > Canadian Forces Europe Postal Unit, CFB Lahr > > The source of this is a Department of Defence publication that I came > across in the local library. I can't recall the title of the document, and > I photocopied the list of schools, bases, Air Command units, Mobile Command > units, Land Forces Central/Atlantic Militia Area/Secteur De > L'est(Milice)/Prairie Militia Area/Pacific Militia Area and Maritime > Command stuff that I have. > > I am confused about some things. The First Canadian Division is earmarked > for deployment to the European Theatre (as shown by the 1st Canadian > Division Forward Headquarters stationed in Lahr, and the information made > public over the years to Canadian residents that care) in the event of > hostilities by Warsaw Pact forces. It wasn't in the game. The actual TOE of > the 1st Division is elusive as well. If the Division deployed to Europe, I > think the 1st Division Headquarters and Signal Regiment (based at Kingston, > Ontario) would go to link up with the Forward Headquarters already at Lahr. > The 4th Brigade already in Germany would become a component unit of the > Division (seems logical anyhow). A division isn't made up of a single > brigade though, and I can't seem to gather more information as to what > other formations would round the division out. > > Anyway, just in case I don't have the problem with my posting entirely > cleared up yet, I'll end here. What do you think?? > > Ray > > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:42:22 -0800 From: Troy Hansen Subject: Re: Canadian Involvement Have you looked in the T2k v1.0 Nato Vehicles Guide? The Canadian Forces actually had an entry in it. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 03:43:56 +0100 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: Swiss ABM defense systems? Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, cdmandus@nauticom.net produced: > One of the most interesting things I've heard about Switzerland is that > they supposedly have a laser based ABM system in case if anybody tried to > nuke them. When I was in high school (1982 - 1985), I took German and my > German teacher told us a story when he took a class over in the late > 1960's, one of the stops was in Switzerland. He saw a small, wooden shack > on top of a mountain and asked a military guard about it and he got a reply > that "if Switzerland came under missile attack, it would open up and there > was a laser cannon inside." I don't know how true the story is or how much > of it is truth, but it wouldn't surprise me the least. Just some > interesting fodder to add to the conversation here. Sure. Imagine the Swiss having the 'Star Wars´ program that the US attempted and failed (as too costy to invent). Guess that would be a so closely guarded secret that some innocent teachers & their classes (aliens[1], at that!) just have to ask J. Random Guard and they'd fess up that they hid a laser cannon inside for exactly that purpose. I hear tell that the US has hidden all the aliens[2] (which crash-landed with their UFOs) somewhere in Texas. Guess I have to drum up a schoolclass and ask a guard there to clear that conspiracy once and for all. - -Wolfgang [1] non-natives of Switzerland [2] non-natives of the eartho PS: Does that method also work with conspiracies to kill presidents, like, say, JFK? Maybe they should ask a current president (and quite a few senators, too!) about certain secrets ... what do you think? - -- i believe in ufos. i see *lots* of planes i can't identify. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:50:43 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Baumgartner Subject: Re: Canadian Involvement Unfortunately, I don't have access to that book (or much v.1 stuff at all for that matter). I do have a friend who has some so I'll have to research, thanks for the pointer. - ---Troy Hansen wrote: > > Have you looked in the T2k v1.0 Nato Vehicles Guide? The Canadian Forces > actually had an entry in it. > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:38:29 -0800 From: Troy Hansen Subject: Re: Canadian Involvement Josh Baumgartner wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't have access to that book (or much v.1 stuff at > all for that matter). I do have a friend who has some so I'll have to > research, thanks for the pointer. > If your friend doesn't have it I can dig out my copy and post it. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:32:40 +0100 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: Campaign Settings Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, max.robinson@uq.net.au produced: > Nis Mathiesen wrote: > > --> That means: that DK has not officially been to war. > the correct quote is "Danish and Dutch troops remained in place, still partners > in NATO, but not party to war" > Pg 10 bottom of middle column. Yep, that's p 24, left column in V1.0. However, on p 26, left column the nuking is discussed: "[October/November 1996: this and then that is nuked.] Then major industrial and oil centers in neutral states, to prevent their possible use by the other side." Seems to me that Denmark is going to get their share :-) (and if only for being partners in NATO and the ability to join the war. More so if they could be used to refit troops or something like that.) - -Wolfgang - -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. How to dominate the Internet/WWW/etc? Destroy the protocols! See: http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:11:00 -0500 From: "bootboy@niagara.com" Subject: RE: Canadian Involvement (Long) Your welcome and there is still more to come. Further research on my part has lead me to believe that the 5th Brigade group another of the component units, beyond that it just there is only mention that further supporting units would be attached as required for a balanced mission capability. It would seem reasonable to me that one of those components would be the airborne regiment, as that's as close as us Canadians have to a special operations force. (Note: I know that the regiment is disbanded, but because it's a game I follow the timeline of the book mostly and it doesn't say anything about Canadian military scandals anywhere in there that I've looked.) One of the revisions that I would like to see happen is the inclusion of the first Canadian division into the European Theatre. It was ear marked for deployment into central Europe in event of WP hostilities, and damn it we Canadians are nothing if we aren't committed to everybody else's security before our own. Are you working on a website detailing the Canucks? I've been working on a site for about 2 weeks in my spare time (couple of hours a week, at best). If your working on one, how about dropping me an e-mail line and we can compare our efforts, to avoid publishing the same material or contradicting one another? If your not working one on, I still am and would like to collaborate with you all the same. Ray Thanks for all the details on Canadian Forces in Europe. As far as the Canadian 1st Division, I have read (from 'The World's Armies', Chris Westhorp, 1991) that the 1st was to be comprised of both the brigade in Europe (the 4th) as well as another unspecified brigade to be sent there. However, it is not clear if that brigade would be sent to Germany or to Norway, where another battalion is earmarked to be sent to Norway along with the UK Royal Marines. I don't know which brigade in Canada is supposed to be sent. Supposedly there is a further mechanized brigade at home, as well as an infantry brigade. -- S2000 Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT Download without Scan Scan with McAfee *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:43:35 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Cook Subject: Re: Campaigning in the Pac NW In the same region, I can share my knowledge about British Columbia. Michael Cook - ---Josh Baumgartner wrote: > > As far as 'regional advisors', I'd be more than happy to share my > knowledge about Oregon & Washington, particularly the Portland/Seattle > corridor. In view of the not-so-successful Soviet actions in that > area (which I haven't found very good coverage in any sourcebooks), it > seems like a GM would have a lot of room to be creative. I know the > Puget Sound/Seattle area got nuked pretty badly (lots of naval > facilities), but Oregon is almost free of US Gov't facilities, so it > didn't get targeted much. Anyway, let me know if you want any info.... > > S2000 > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:03:42 -0700 (MST) From: Benjamin Brandt Subject: Re: Campaigning in the Pac NW And I know tons about the Willamette Valley and Oregon Coast! Gosh, if we keep this going we could very well cover the entire west coast of North America! On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Michael Cook wrote: > In the same region, I can share my knowledge about British Columbia. > > Michael Cook > > ---Josh Baumgartner wrote: > > > > As far as 'regional advisors', I'd be more than happy to share my > > knowledge about Oregon & Washington, particularly the Portland/Seattle > > corridor. In view of the not-so-successful Soviet actions in that > > area (which I haven't found very good coverage in any sourcebooks), it > > seems like a GM would have a lot of room to be creative. I know the > > Puget Sound/Seattle area got nuked pretty badly (lots of naval > > facilities), but Oregon is almost free of US Gov't facilities, so it > > didn't get targeted much. Anyway, let me know if you want any > info.... > > > > S2000 > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with > the line > > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:31:06 -0500 From: "Chuck Mandus" Subject: Re: Swiss ABM defense systems? Hi, Of course it is in the possible realm the guard could be passing some "jive" by my old teacher, but equally so, you got to consider the other side where it is possible the Swiss could have such a system. Maybe the guard could have been bragging a bit, you know, "look what WE have" and so on. ABM systems were the big thing during the 1960's. It would not be nearly as expensive of a system as the US or USSR would need, the Swiss territory is so small compared to both countries so they would only need a handful of such lasers for their defense. It's easier to defend one small country this way than it is for a larger one. I even asked him (my teacher) about how could this be so and he replied that "some countries could have secretly developed defenses that very few know about." Maybe even the US could have a secret defense system with all the black ops projects we may have had/have. I remember hearing a news report, CBS News (or one of our then Big Three Networks) back in the late 1970's where the USSR was developing such a system that had some sort of anti-missile device housed in a pyramid shaped building, but nothing more was heard about it. Maybe THAT's why the government pays for $300 hammers and $600 toilet seats! (semi-joking of course) UFO's? Well, since you brought it up, again, maybe some technology might have been harvested from the various UFO crashes provided if any of them are true, and personally, I believe many such crashes have happened. BTW, the one most talked about happened in Roswell, New Mexico with another crash at Corona which is in the same state. You just never know. Don't know how JFK fits in all of this, although there are some theories there too that he knew something about extraterrestrial life, too much of course. When I had my group together for a TW2K game, I even had them investigate a UFO landing in one of my games for just something a bit different. Chuck, a long time TW2K fan and UFO buff..... B-) DE KA3WRW "Truly those of us with brain cells are an oppressed minority..." - -- Jason Fox said after the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles had been cancelled. - ---------- > From: Wolfgang Weisselberg > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > Subject: Re: Swiss ABM defense systems? > Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 9:43 PM > > Hi! > > Trying to kill the keyboard, cdmandus@nauticom.net produced: > > One of the most interesting things I've heard about Switzerland is that > > they supposedly have a laser based ABM system in case if anybody tried to > > nuke them. When I was in high school (1982 - 1985), I took German and my > > German teacher told us a story when he took a class over in the late > > 1960's, one of the stops was in Switzerland. He saw a small, wooden shack > > on top of a mountain and asked a military guard about it and he got a reply > > that "if Switzerland came under missile attack, it would open up and there > > was a laser cannon inside." I don't know how true the story is or how much > > of it is truth, but it wouldn't surprise me the least. Just some > > interesting fodder to add to the conversation here. > > Sure. > > Imagine the Swiss having the 'Star Wars´ program that the US > attempted and failed (as too costy to invent). Guess that would > be a so closely guarded secret that some innocent teachers & > their classes (aliens[1], at that!) just have to ask J. Random > Guard and they'd fess up that they hid a laser cannon inside > for exactly that purpose. > > I hear tell that the US has hidden all the aliens[2] (which > crash-landed with their UFOs) somewhere in Texas. Guess I have > to drum up a schoolclass and ask a guard there to clear that > conspiracy once and for all. > > -Wolfgang > > [1] non-natives of Switzerland > [2] non-natives of the eartho > > PS: Does that method also work with conspiracies to kill > presidents, like, say, JFK? Maybe they should ask a current > president (and quite a few senators, too!) about certain > secrets ... what do you think? > > -- > i believe in ufos. i see *lots* of planes i can't identify. > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:18:13 -0500 From: "Chuck Mandus" Subject: Re: Campaigning in the Pac NW And I know a bit about Western Pennsylvania too for those who are interested. I know it's not part of the Pacific Northwest, but with some luck, we will have the entire U.S. covered. Chuck DE KA3WRW "Truly those of us with brain cells are an oppressed minority..." - -- Jason Fox said after the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles had been cancelled. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:44:38 -0600 From: "Brian K. Flood & Ann Marie Henke" Subject: Re: Swiss ABM defense systems? While the idea of laser cannons hidden in mountains may be somewhat inplausible, I DO remember reading an article in Natl Geographic about the network of Cheyenne-mountain-like complexes that the Swiss had constructed in the Alps. I would submit that THIS is not only possible, but if probably true. Plus, such a network of hardened sites would surely survive the nuke exchange (that is, after all, what they are designed to do). Thus, the idea of a sanctuary in Switzerland might not be SO far fetched. - -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Mandus To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Swiss ABM defense systems? >Hi, > >Of course it is in the possible realm the guard could be passing some >"jive" by my old teacher, but equally so, you got to consider the other >side where it is possible the Swiss could have such a system. Maybe the >guard could have been bragging a bit, you know, "look what WE have" and so >on. ABM systems were the big thing during the 1960's. It would not be >nearly as expensive of a system as the US or USSR would need, the Swiss >territory is so small compared to both countries so they would only need a >handful of such lasers for their defense. It's easier to defend one small >country this way than it is for a larger one. I even asked him (my >teacher) about how could this be so and he replied that "some countries >could have secretly developed defenses that very few know about." Maybe >even the US could have a secret defense system with all the black ops >projects we may have had/have. I remember hearing a news report, CBS News >(or one of our then Big Three Networks) back in the late 1970's where the >USSR was developing such a system that had some sort of anti-missile device >housed in a pyramid shaped building, but nothing more was heard about it. >Maybe THAT's why the government pays for $300 hammers and $600 toilet >seats! (semi-joking of course) > >UFO's? Well, since you brought it up, again, maybe some technology might >have been harvested from the various UFO crashes provided if any of them >are true, and personally, I believe many such crashes have happened. BTW, >the one most talked about happened in Roswell, New Mexico with another >crash at Corona which is in the same state. You just never know. Don't >know how JFK fits in all of this, although there are some theories there >too that he knew something about extraterrestrial life, too much of course. > >When I had my group together for a TW2K game, I even had them investigate a >UFO landing in one of my games for just something a bit different. > >Chuck, a long time TW2K fan and UFO buff..... B-) > >DE KA3WRW > > > >"Truly those of us with brain cells are an oppressed minority..." > >-- Jason Fox said after the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles had been >cancelled. > >---------- >> From: Wolfgang Weisselberg >> To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM >> Subject: Re: Swiss ABM defense systems? >> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 9:43 PM >> >> Hi! >> >> Trying to kill the keyboard, cdmandus@nauticom.net produced: >> > One of the most interesting things I've heard about Switzerland is that >> > they supposedly have a laser based ABM system in case if anybody tried >to >> > nuke them. When I was in high school (1982 - 1985), I took German and >my >> > German teacher told us a story when he took a class over in the late >> > 1960's, one of the stops was in Switzerland. He saw a small, wooden >shack >> > on top of a mountain and asked a military guard about it and he got a >reply >> > that "if Switzerland came under missile attack, it would open up and >there >> > was a laser cannon inside." I don't know how true the story is or how >much >> > of it is truth, but it wouldn't surprise me the least. Just some >> > interesting fodder to add to the conversation here. >> >> Sure. >> >> Imagine the Swiss having the 'Star Wars´ program that the US >> attempted and failed (as too costy to invent). Guess that would >> be a so closely guarded secret that some innocent teachers & >> their classes (aliens[1], at that!) just have to ask J. Random >> Guard and they'd fess up that they hid a laser cannon inside >> for exactly that purpose. >> >> I hear tell that the US has hidden all the aliens[2] (which >> crash-landed with their UFOs) somewhere in Texas. Guess I have >> to drum up a schoolclass and ask a guard there to clear that >> conspiracy once and for all. >> >> -Wolfgang >> >> [1] non-natives of Switzerland >> [2] non-natives of the eartho >> >> PS: Does that method also work with conspiracies to kill >> presidents, like, say, JFK? Maybe they should ask a current >> president (and quite a few senators, too!) about certain >> secrets ... what do you think? >> >> -- >> i believe in ufos. i see *lots* of planes i can't identify. >> >*************************************************************************** >> To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the >line >> 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:14:29 EST From: Niteeye007@aol.com Subject: Re: Campaigning in the Pac NW In a message dated 1/21/99 11:36:49 PM !!!First Boot!!!, cdmandus@nauticom.net writes: << And I know a bit about Western Pennsylvania too for those who are interested. I know it's not part of the Pacific Northwest, but with some luck, we will have the entire U.S. covered. Chuck DE KA3WRW >> I can offer lots of info about New York state as I have driven through almost all of it for work. I have been to towns smaller than a block and places no one ever thought could exist in this state! Eric *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:43:42 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Baumgartner Subject: Swiss underground facilities. Actually, the Swiss have built quite a complex network of underground installations. These house a wide variety of military functions (Command & Control, Aircraft Hangers, Logistical Stores, Fortifications & Emplacements, etc.). The extent is not revealed by the Swiss, although a number have been made public. It is very likely that a large amount of Swiss war materiel would survive attack, even a nuclear one. Swiss defense, however, is not really based on high-tech warfare though. While they have plenty of new systems like all the other W.European nations, the heart of their defense is in the rugged terrain and ability of their troops to make use of it. Swiss theory is to cost an invader more to take Switz. over than the invader will ever get out of Switz. after taking it. I would put forward that the Swiss may even have have an operational (or relatively so) air force in T2K, due to their ability to protect both aircraft and fuel stores from attack. While fuel storage would be limited, it may allow a small number of sorties in case of emergency, enough to turn back an invasion attempt by any of her neighbors. -- S2000 - ---"Brian K. Flood & Ann Marie Henke" wrote: > > While the idea of laser cannons hidden in mountains may be somewhat > inplausible, I DO remember reading an article in Natl Geographic about the > network of Cheyenne-mountain-like complexes that the Swiss had constructed > in the Alps. I would submit that THIS is not only possible, but if > probably true. Plus, such a network of hardened sites would surely survive > the nuke exchange (that is, after all, what they are designed to do). Thus, > the idea of a sanctuary in Switzerland might not be SO far fetched. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Mandus > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 5:28 PM > Subject: Re: Swiss ABM defense systems? > > > >Hi, > > > >Of course it is in the possible realm the guard could be passing some > >"jive" by my old teacher, but equally so, you got to consider the other > >side where it is possible the Swiss could have such a system. Maybe the > >guard could have been bragging a bit, you know, "look what WE have" and so > >on. ABM systems were the big thing during the 1960's. It would not be > >nearly as expensive of a system as the US or USSR would need, the Swiss > >territory is so small compared to both countries so they would only need a > >handful of such lasers for their defense. It's easier to defend one small > >country this way than it is for a larger one. I even asked him (my > >teacher) about how could this be so and he replied that "some countries > >could have secretly developed defenses that very few know about." Maybe > >even the US could have a secret defense system with all the black ops > >projects we may have had/have. I remember hearing a news report, CBS News > >(or one of our then Big Three Networks) back in the late 1970's where the > >USSR was developing such a system that had some sort of anti-missile device > >housed in a pyramid shaped building, but nothing more was heard about it. > >Maybe THAT's why the government pays for $300 hammers and $600 toilet > >seats! (semi-joking of course) > > > >UFO's? Well, since you brought it up, again, maybe some technology might > >have been harvested from the various UFO crashes provided if any of them > >are true, and personally, I believe many such crashes have happened. BTW, > >the one most talked about happened in Roswell, New Mexico with another > >crash at Corona which is in the same state. You just never know. Don't > >know how JFK fits in all of this, although there are some theories there > >too that he knew something about extraterrestrial life, too much of course. > > > >When I had my group together for a TW2K game, I even had them investigate a > >UFO landing in one of my games for just something a bit different. > > > >Chuck, a long time TW2K fan and UFO buff..... B-) > > > >DE KA3WRW > > > > > > > >"Truly those of us with brain cells are an oppressed minority..." > > > >-- Jason Fox said after the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles had been > >cancelled. > > > >---------- > >> From: Wolfgang Weisselberg > >> To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > >> Subject: Re: Swiss ABM defense systems? > >> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 9:43 PM > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> Trying to kill the keyboard, cdmandus@nauticom.net produced: > >> > One of the most interesting things I've heard about Switzerland is that > >> > they supposedly have a laser based ABM system in case if anybody tried > >to > >> > nuke them. When I was in high school (1982 - 1985), I took German and > >my > >> > German teacher told us a story when he took a class over in the late > >> > 1960's, one of the stops was in Switzerland. He saw a small, wooden > >shack > >> > on top of a mountain and asked a military guard about it and he got a > >reply > >> > that "if Switzerland came under missile attack, it would open up and > >there > >> > was a laser cannon inside." I don't know how true the story is or how > >much > >> > of it is truth, but it wouldn't surprise me the least. Just some > >> > interesting fodder to add to the conversation here. > >> > >> Sure. > >> > >> Imagine the Swiss having the 'Star Wars´ program that the US > >> attempted and failed (as too costy to invent). Guess that would > >> be a so closely guarded secret that some innocent teachers & > >> their classes (aliens[1], at that!) just have to ask J. Random > >> Guard and they'd fess up that they hid a laser cannon inside > >> for exactly that purpose. > >> > >> I hear tell that the US has hidden all the aliens[2] (which > >> crash-landed with their UFOs) somewhere in Texas. Guess I have > >> to drum up a schoolclass and ask a guard there to clear that > >> conspiracy once and for all. > >> > >> -Wolfgang > >> > >> [1] non-natives of Switzerland > >> [2] non-natives of the eartho > >> > >> PS: Does that method also work with conspiracies to kill > >> presidents, like, say, JFK? Maybe they should ask a current > >> president (and quite a few senators, too!) about certain > >> secrets ... what do you think? > >> > >> -- > >> i believe in ufos. i see *lots* of planes i can't identify. > >> > >*************************************************************************** > >> To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the > >line > >> 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > >*************************************************************************** > >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? 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