twilight2000-digest Saturday, November 28 1998 Volume 1998 : Number 055 The following topics are covered in this digest: Free City of Cracow Re: Twilight 200 setting problems (Length of Conflict) Re: Twilight 200 setting problems (Length of Conflict) Military radios Re: Asking about my rules and so on... Character Generation Software RDF source book Uk Source book Re: Free City of Cracow Re: riverine campaigns Re: riverine campaigns Re: riverine campaigns Re: Twilight 200 setting problems (Length of Conflict) Re: Twilight 200 setting problems (Length of Conflict) Re: Rulebooks Re: Twilight 200 setting problems (Length of Conflict) Re: Rulebooks RE: Character Generation Software RE: Asking about my rules and so on... Oops re character generator Number of Tanks. Secure HF Re: Rulebooks Re: Number of Tanks. Nuke effect on Radios & Misc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 98 16:41:00 PST From: Paul Tibbetts Subject: Free City of Cracow I'm off to Poland for Christmas and wondered if anyone know as to what extent this adventure is based on the city??? I know that the map and historic buildings might be genuine but what about the rest of it?? Are the bars based on actual bars etc.????????????? Can taking the module save me having to buy a guide book???? Paul The following binary file has been uuencoded to ensure successful transmission. Use UUDECODE to extract. Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT Download without Scan Scan with McAfee *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:12:44 -0500 From: "Loonz" Subject: Re: Twilight 200 setting problems (Length of Conflict) TLAM's most assuredly have the capability too just that. And if Hiliary can send 26 too take out an office building then she can have them take out parked tanks and or more likely their soft skinned support vehicles. Sorry. :-) - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Curran To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Twilight 200 setting problems (Length of Conflict) > > > > > >---Loonz wrote: >> >> The Iraqis would have driven further into Saudi Araia sure, which is >away >> from any limited air cover and air defence. The end would have been >more >> scattered less concentrated clump of burnt out Iraqi armor. >Courtesy of US >> Navy, and forward deployed NATO aircraft and Tomahawks. >> > >I hate to break it to you, but, the US military isn't in the habit of >knocking off tanks with multimillion dollar cruise missiles, sorry :) > >As a note to Iran Iraq war mentioned here earlier, the technology on >both side wasn't balanced! Or at least of it was the Iranians didn't >care. The standard method of attack for the Iranian in that war was to >send the fanatics in barely armour in order to clean the mine field >and over run any outlaying positions, then the new recruits came, also >barely armed, however they had the privilege of picking the gun up >offf the dead fanatics, these people were gunned down by Iraqi machine >gun nests and the like. Finally the well armed veterans and regulars >would attack over the sweep minefield and against the weak points the >recruits produced. It was by shear numbers that the Iranians lasted >as long as they did. > >-S.B. Burzmali >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:56:10 -0500 From: "Chuck Mandus" Subject: Re: Twilight 200 setting problems (Length of Conflict) I seem to remember that Iraq had only 16 million people as opposed to Iran's 54 million. I know for the most part the Iranian Air Force suffered from the embargo that we put on them after the Shah was thrown out so the most they could muster was a few F-4 Phantoms and maybe a few (Chinese made?) surface to surface missiles. About the missiles, I remember back in 1979 or 1980 I remember hearing the news where Iran bought missiles from North Korea. The Iranians also used the poorly armed fanatics and children as human mine sweepers, I remember a good, early 1980's, editorial cartoon depicting the newest advance in Iranian mine sweeping technology was a baby in a carriage going over the battlefield. Sure Iraq had the backing and technology but Iran had the manpower and the fanatics to counter that. "Truly those of us with brain cells are an oppressed minority..." - -- Jason Fox said after the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles had been cancelled. - ---------- > From: Michael Curran > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > Subject: Re: Twilight 200 setting problems (Length of Conflict) > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 11:05 AM > > > > > > > > I hate to break it to you, but, the US military isn't in the habit of > knocking off tanks with multimillion dollar cruise missiles, sorry :) > > As a note to Iran Iraq war mentioned here earlier, the technology on > both side wasn't balanced! Or at least of it was the Iranians didn't > care. The standard method of attack for the Iranian in that war was to > send the fanatics in barely armour in order to clean the mine field > and over run any outlaying positions, then the new recruits came, also > barely armed, however they had the privilege of picking the gun up > offf the dead fanatics, these people were gunned down by Iraqi machine > gun nests and the like. Finally the well armed veterans and regulars > would attack over the sweep minefield and against the weak points the > recruits produced. It was by shear numbers that the Iranians lasted > as long as they did. > > -S.B. Burzmali > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:15:46 -0500 From: "Chuck Mandus" Subject: Military radios I have looked in the November 1989 issue of Popular Communications magazine and there is some data on the few military radios the Soviets (Russians), French, and British use. There is a picture of a Soviet soldier with a large handheld VHF transceiver called an R-126 that operate between 48.50 to 51.50 Mc. It must be about 8 to 6 inches in length and width and about 2.5 inches thick. It sort of resembles my Drake TR-22C ham radio transceiver of the same size which dates from the late 1960's or early 1970's. The Russian's military bandplan: 20 - 48.65 Mc - Regimental level comms 48.50 - 51.50 Mc - Platoon and Company level comms (R-126 above) 60 - 70 Mc - Division level comms. Russian land mobile radios: 32 - 47 Mc - Government Ministries 36 - 47 Mc - Taxis, police, fire, ambulances, industrial users 48 - 66 Mc - Russian TV stations 66 - 74 Mc - FM radio (don't know if they have switched to 88 - 108 Mc or not) 74 - 76 Mc - airplane navigation (internationally agreed to) 76 - 87.50 Mc - More Russian FM stations Many of these services are co-mingled into the VHF-Lo/Mid band as you can see. Also base and mobile station are permitted to use the 47 - 48.50 Mc and 56.50 - 58 Mc on a secondary basis as long as they don't interfere with the primary users of those frequencies. The UK: The PTR-349 military manpack transceivers use the 37 - 50 Mc (model A) and the 47 - 57 Mc (Model B) bands in 25 kc frequency steps (channels) in Narrow FM mode. Generally the UK military can be found anywhere from the 29.70 to 87.50 Mc bands using Narrow FM or AM mode in 12.5 kc frequency steps. France: The TRC-559 model military manpack transceiver operates from 30 - 80 Mc MC in 25 kc channels in the narrowband FM mode. French Bandplan: 29.70 - 48 Mc - Military 30 - 37 Mc - Police 32 - 35 Mc - Railroads 37 - 47 Mc - ? 72 - 72.50 Mc - Hydro power utilities 75 - 82 Mc -Taxis I also know of a few military radio websites that could be of help which I'll send up to the mailing list later. Chuck DE KA3WRW "Truly those of us with brain cells are an oppressed minority..." - -- Jason Fox said after the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles had been cancelled. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:58:02 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Asking about my rules and so on... At 08:40 PM 11/23/98 EST, Grimace997@aol.com wrote: >I never download any attatched files unless I know what they are about. That, >and it is too likely to pick up an unwanted "bug" from someone else's >computer. Regular email would be great. :) > You'd actually have to _run_ an attachment to have it affect your system--you can't get a virus from opening it as a text file. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:38:12 -0800 From: KevinC Subject: Character Generation Software Eduardo Perez Santos wrote: > Someone knows about a Automatic Character Generator for T2K? > I know that there is one for 2300AD. I wrote the 2300AD one, and it is on my website ( see URL in my signature line below). I have an old MS-DOS character generation program for first edition twilight. Mac users have been able to run it using a Dos emulator. It has all the careers from the core rulebooks, plus the RDF sourcebook, and I seem to recall it possibly has the British Army careers from the UK sourcebook. I switched to 2nd edition right when it came out, and so haven't used the software in close to ten years. It just needs to be recompiled to add an intro screen with Tantalus' disclaimer. Any interest? The core engine of my 2300AD program is fairly flexible, and one of my backburner projects is to use it to make a 2nd edition Twilight ( for version 2.2 to be precise) character generation program. I will not have time to finish it until sometime early in 1999, as I have several 2300AD projects to complete first. 2300AD is my active campaign, and I have not run Twilight for almost two years ( so software for Twilight has not been as important). The big problem in making a T2K2 char gen program is that GDW was not very clear when they said how cascade skills, like Small Arms, are gained during character generation. The trouble happens when the player has been receiving one specialty, say rifle, suddenly in a new career or background gets pistol, and then later purchases/selects more rifle. Does pistol also go up, or not? It gets even more confusing if pistol eventually climbs to a skill level twice ( or more) that of my rifle skill. >From my experience running Twilight 2.2 adventures at conventions, and talking with people after the games, every campaign seems to handle this differently. So whatever I chose as a solution in my software, would only please less than half of the groups out there. - -- KevinC Pentapod's World of 2300AD kevinc@cnetech.com http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arcade/2303/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:58:18 PST From: "Joshua Lueck" Subject: RDF source book Can some one help me with some information from the RDF Sourcebook. I playing a twilight 2000 game in the Middle east and needs Only information on the order of battle that is found in this mdule to help provided background military info for my group email at luec3493@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:20:46 PST From: "Joshua Lueck" Subject: Uk Source book Can anyone on the mailing help found out what was the order of battle and the strenght of the British army in July of 2000, canyou provide statics and battlion level equipment holding for the United Kingdom units. Thank you Joshua lueck email addressis luec3493@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:11:22 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Free City of Cracow Paul Tibbetts wrote: > > The following binary file has been uuencoded to ensure successful > transmission. Use UUDECODE to extract. > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > WINMAIL.DAT Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. Whats up with people sending WINMAIL.DAT as an attachment? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:10:51 -0700 From: Kurt Stogrin Subject: Re: riverine campaigns I have read a few books written by Navy Seals who used the fiber glass boats in Vietnam and they said that their boats were hit with RPG rockets and that the rocket would just punch right through the hull of the boat. Now I don't know if that rocket was a dud or did not have time to arm or if it was in perfect condition. Loonz wrote: > I remember once a while back, we tried to sink a derilict yacht (fiber glass > hull) with an M-79 and 40mm granade, nada, nuthin. Did'nt do much. So I > encorperated that effect into mine. > It was an HE round. I would "assume" an HEDP round would get the desired > effect. > Cheers > Loonz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Cook > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 10:00 AM > Subject: riverine campaigns > > >Hello all, > > > > I'm curious if anyone out there has ever run a riverine campaign > >(with PBRs ala Apocalypse Now), as I am about to begin one and would > >be grateful for any added input, things to watch out for, etc. I have > >the adventure modules for the Vistula, and a book on the way PBRs were > >used in the Delta in Vietnam, but other than that I'm shooting in the > >dark. > > > >Michael Cook > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >*************************************************************************** > >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:41:45 -0600 From: James Urban Subject: Re: riverine campaigns The History Channel just had an episode on 'The Great Ships' concerning these boats in Vietnam. The early models (the exact ID escapes me) were easily sunk with on hit from an RPG. The Navy asked the manufacturer if anything could be done and the mfg. sent a 'float kit' to be installed on the extisting boats. After such installation a boat could take two or three hits before sinking. They didn't go into detail about what these kits were, so I'm afraid I can't give you any more help. =( > I have read a few books written by Navy Seals who used the fiber glass boats in > Vietnam and they said that their boats were hit with RPG rockets and that the > rocket would just punch right through the hull of the boat. Now I don't know if > that rocket was a dud or did not have time to arm or if it was in perfect > condition. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:57:45 -0500 From: "Loonz" Subject: Re: riverine campaigns Coulda been ours was HE and RPG's are HEAT? Dunno? It's my GUESS.:-) Cheers Loonz - -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Stogrin To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 9:30 PM Subject: Re: riverine campaigns >I have read a few books written by Navy Seals who used the fiber glass boats in >Vietnam and they said that their boats were hit with RPG rockets and that the >rocket would just punch right through the hull of the boat. Now I don't know if >that rocket was a dud or did not have time to arm or if it was in perfect >condition. > >Loonz wrote: > >> I remember once a while back, we tried to sink a derilict yacht (fiber glass >> hull) with an M-79 and 40mm granade, nada, nuthin. Did'nt do much. So I >> encorperated that effect into mine. >> It was an HE round. I would "assume" an HEDP round would get the desired >> effect. >> Cheers >> Loonz >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Cook >> To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM >> Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 10:00 AM >> Subject: riverine campaigns >> >> >Hello all, >> > >> > I'm curious if anyone out there has ever run a riverine campaign >> >(with PBRs ala Apocalypse Now), as I am about to begin one and would >> >be grateful for any added input, things to watch out for, etc. I have >> >the adventure modules for the Vistula, and a book on the way PBRs were >> >used in the Delta in Vietnam, but other than that I'm shooting in the >> >dark. >> > >> >Michael Cook >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >_________________________________________________________ >> >DO YOU YAHOO!? >> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> >*************************************************************************** >> >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >> >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. >> >> *************************************************************************** >> To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >> 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:31:07 -0800 From: Hale Subject: Re: Twilight 200 setting problems (Length of Conflict) Loonz wrote: > TLAM's most assuredly have the capability too just that. Depends on the warhead. Armed with a conventional(HE) warhead they would need to make, in effect, a direct hit. Not likely since they are only accurate to about 6 meters, from center. Which if you are aiming for a building is very accurate. However, armed with a cluster munitions warhead, and assuming the targets (tanks) remain in sight of an observer who can upload targeting data to correct the TLAM course in flight. Then yes they can take out tanks. As a general rule Cruise Missiles are NOT used to engage mobile forces of any kind in the field. Unless, the warhead is Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical. And we haven't done that yet. TTFN Ron Hale *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:59:47 -0500 From: "Loonz" Subject: Re: Twilight 200 setting problems (Length of Conflict) Mobile forces do not remain in a constant state of mobility. The second paragraph is germain. cheers Loonz - -----Original Message----- From: Hale To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 3:46 AM Subject: Re: Twilight 200 setting problems (Length of Conflict) >Loonz wrote: >> TLAM's most assuredly have the capability too just that. > >Depends on the warhead. >Armed with a conventional(HE) warhead they would need to make, in >effect, a direct hit. Not likely since they are only accurate to about >6 meters, from center. Which if you are aiming for a building is very >accurate. > >However, armed with a cluster munitions warhead, and assuming the >targets (tanks) remain in sight of an observer who can upload targeting >data to correct the TLAM course in flight. Then yes they can take out >tanks. > >As a general rule Cruise Missiles are NOT used to engage mobile forces >of any kind in the field. Unless, the warhead is Nuclear, Biological, >or Chemical. And we haven't done that yet. >TTFN >Ron Hale >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:35:45 EST From: Zek101@aol.com Subject: Re: Rulebooks okay, i'll send the check in the mail today, black modana, armies of the night,prites of vistula,copies of kidnapped,kings ransom,white eagle, city of angles + shiping i make that out to be about 42 dollars us right *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:10:43 -0800 From: Hale Subject: Re: Twilight 200 setting problems (Length of Conflict) Loonz wrote: > Mobile forces do not remain in a constant state of mobility. True, but when they do stop they are usually so spread out that a conventionally armed TLAM would be wasted on them. I.E. a company of tanks may stop and "dig in" for the night/day but they will cover an area of about 1 tank per 100 sq meters, and this would be a pretty dense defensive position. Know assuming this density and only 15 tanks in this company (I know that is small), thats an area of some 1500 sq meters. 1500 sq meters is a huge area. This is what we have B52, B1, B2, A-10, F-15E, AV-8, F/A-18, towed/SP Arty, MLRS, etc, for. TTFN Ron Hale *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:32:00 -0700 From: Kurt Stogrin Subject: Re: Rulebooks Zek do you want a photocopy of kings Ransom or the original module I can give you either. The price is fine as well. Zek101@aol.com wrote: > okay, i'll send the check in the mail today, > black modana, armies of the night,prites of vistula,copies of kidnapped,kings > ransom,white eagle, city of angles + shiping i make that out to be about > 42 dollars us right > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:13:49 +0100 From: "Eduardo Perez Santos" Subject: RE: Character Generation Software Hello, I am interested. Saludos > Eduardo Perez Santos wrote: > > > Someone knows about a Automatic Character Generator for T2K? > > I know that there is one for 2300AD. > > I wrote the 2300AD one, and it is on my website ( see URL in my > signature line below). > [snipped] Saludos - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Eduardo Perez Santos Madrid (Spain) - GMT+1 - ------------------------------------------------------------------ ˇˇVisita la Página Oficial del Club Dragón!! http://www.ciudadfutura.com/clubdragon. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:13:14 +0100 From: "Eduardo Perez Santos" Subject: RE: Asking about my rules and so on... Hello, I want it. I never received (or saw) something similar. > Why I get so little opinions about my new rules (Hit locations, Bleeding, > Laser sight) and Quick Adventure-table ( I sent them in this list about 2 > months a go)? Was there any problems when I sent them in > "Attach-mode"? Does > anybody get them? or are they so awful? or so perfect?:) > I can sent them in normal email-mode if someone just want so. Saludos - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Eduardo Perez Santos Madrid (Spain) - GMT+1 - ------------------------------------------------------------------ ˇˇVisita la Página Oficial del Club Dragón!! http://www.ciudadfutura.com/clubdragon. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:56:28 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Oops re character generator Earlier I accidentally gave the URL to my windows program, which does some stuff but doesn't generate characters yet. I apologize for this... the DOS program generates 1st edition characters and encounters, and the URL is: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/2946/Rpados.zip The Windows version should, in the end, do both 1st edition and 2nd edition characters... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:00:39 -0000 From: "Tas" Subject: Number of Tanks. I don't want to sound too "nit picky" but 15 tanks is normally considered very large for a company level formation. Also, for dug in vehicles, one per 100m is quite widely spaced. If you were going against them with infantry it would be relatively easy to disrupt their operational routines. On the other hand, it the Tank Coy was in support of an Infantry unit that is a pretty good set up. As you said - go for MLRS (or BM-21 depending on which side you bat for) Using the "traditional" GENFORCE doctrine for a soviet style army, a Platoon of Tanks (attached to a Motor Rifle Regiment) will have four tanks - each company will have13 Tanks. For a tank company subordinate to a Tank Regiment there will only be 10 Tanks. Just in case people are actually interested ( ;-} )the GENFORCE order of battle breaks down the main combat units as follows - Motor Rifle Regiment - 3 x MR Bn; each with 3 Companies, MG or AT platoon (depending if it is BMP or BTR equipped)Support Weapons Platoon, Air Defence Platoon, Mortar Battery and a Recce Section 1 x Tank Bn 3 Tank Companies, (40 Tanks in total) Support Bns (Artym AT, Air def) Engr Coy Recce Coy Tank Regiment (subordinate to Tank Div) 3 x Tank Bn (31 Tanks) 1 x MR Bn (BMP equipped) Air Def Bn Arty Bn Engr Coy Recce Coy Tank Regiment (subordinate to MR Div) 3 x Tank Bn (31 Tank) Air Def Bn Arty Bn Engr Coy Recce Coy Hope this helps someone. On a different subject - Thanks to everyone for the Radio information. Very impressive level of knowledge among the people on this mailing list! One query - I have always been taught that you can send secure data over HF - Is this right or wrong? Tas - -----Original Message----- >True, but when they do stop they are usually so spread out that a >conventionally armed TLAM would be wasted on them. I.E. a company of >tanks may stop and "dig in" for the night/day but they will cover an >area of about 1 tank per 100 sq meters, and this would be a pretty dense >defensive position. Know assuming this density and only 15 tanks in >this company (I know that is small), thats an area of some 1500 sq >meters. 1500 sq meters is a huge area. This is what we have B52, B1, >B2, A-10, F-15E, AV-8, F/A-18, towed/SP Arty, MLRS, etc, for. >TTFN >Ron Hale *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:10:30 +1100 From: Damian Robinson Subject: Secure HF Tas, If you were taught that you can send secure HF, then it is probably possible. Its just that with Aussie Equipment (that I get to see at least) its not. Oh, and I was NOT including burst style stuff in that statement, its sort of encrypted, but not really. Its morse, compressed, so if you can tape it, and slow it down, you can understand it. Cheers Damian *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 23:08:46 EST From: Zek101@aol.com Subject: Re: Rulebooks i take the original *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 01:45:57 -0500 From: "Loonz" Subject: Re: Number of Tanks. Yes you can send secure hf both data and voice. But I'd inflict a negative modifier both for it sounding so bad, and distracting. cheers Loonz - -----Original Message----- From: Tas To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Date: Friday, November 27, 1998 5:46 PM Subject: Number of Tanks. >I don't want to sound too "nit picky" but 15 tanks is normally >considered very large for a company level formation. Also, for dug in >vehicles, one per 100m is quite widely spaced. If you were going >against them with infantry it would be relatively easy to disrupt >their operational routines. On the other hand, it the Tank Coy was in >support of an Infantry unit that is a pretty good set up. As you >said - go for MLRS (or BM-21 depending on which side you bat for) > >Using the "traditional" GENFORCE doctrine for a soviet style army, a >Platoon of Tanks (attached to a Motor Rifle Regiment) will have four >tanks - each company will have13 Tanks. For a tank company subordinate >to a Tank Regiment there will only be 10 Tanks. > >Just in case people are actually interested ( ;-} )the GENFORCE order >of battle breaks down the main combat units as follows - >Motor Rifle Regiment - >3 x MR Bn; >each with 3 Companies, MG or AT platoon (depending if it is BMP or BTR >equipped)Support >Weapons Platoon, Air Defence Platoon, Mortar Battery and a Recce >Section >1 x Tank Bn >3 Tank Companies, (40 Tanks in total) >Support Bns (Artym AT, Air def) >Engr Coy >Recce Coy > >Tank Regiment (subordinate to Tank Div) >3 x Tank Bn (31 Tanks) >1 x MR Bn (BMP equipped) >Air Def Bn >Arty Bn >Engr Coy >Recce Coy > >Tank Regiment (subordinate to MR Div) >3 x Tank Bn (31 Tank) >Air Def Bn >Arty Bn >Engr Coy >Recce Coy > >Hope this helps someone. > >On a different subject - Thanks to everyone for the Radio information. >Very impressive level of knowledge among the people on this mailing >list! One query - I have always been taught that you can send secure >data over HF - Is this right or wrong? > >Tas > >-----Original Message----- >>True, but when they do stop they are usually so spread out that a >>conventionally armed TLAM would be wasted on them. I.E. a company of >>tanks may stop and "dig in" for the night/day but they will cover an >>area of about 1 tank per 100 sq meters, and this would be a pretty >dense >>defensive position. Know assuming this density and only 15 tanks in >>this company (I know that is small), thats an area of some 1500 sq >>meters. 1500 sq meters is a huge area. This is what we have B52, >B1, >>B2, A-10, F-15E, AV-8, F/A-18, towed/SP Arty, MLRS, etc, for. >>TTFN >>Ron Hale > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:28:33 -0500 (EST) From: Brad McMillan Subject: Nuke effect on Radios & Misc. Hey guys, Gotta a question I'd thought I'd throw out to you. With the discussion on radios evolving nicely, I began to wonder about the affects of nuclear warfare on radio capabilities. Specificially, with nuclear fallout all around in the T2K game, patches of high radiation exist at the epicenters of the nukes used, or where related items were destroyed (nuclear reactors for vehicles (subs, etc..) and power stations), I was wondering how these high radiation zones affected radio transmissions, if at all? Does a high radiation zone disrupt a frequency/transmission that travels through that zone? If you were trying to radio someone on the other side of a high RAD zone, would that transmission be fine, poor, or completely disrupted? Does proximity to high RAD zones have an affect as well on radio transmission/reception? I understand that immediately after a nuke explodes an EM pulse is released which disrupts all electrical/electronic devices, including cars, hydro-power, and anything else which relies upon electricity in some way. How long does the disruption last? Is it permanent? Does the EM pulse completely make these devices permanently inoperable, or do they eventually regain their "charge"? I don't know if these things have been discussed before, but I would appreciate any response. Thanks! - - Brad - -------------------------------------------------- Brad McMillan, AKA Brude Mac a'Mhaoilein (Scots-gaelic) Armchair Celtic Archae-Anthropologist/Historian Goderich, Ontario, Canada Email: bmcmillan@odyssey.on.ca *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1998 #55 ************************************