twilight2000-digest Wednesday, October 7 1998 Volume 1998 : Number 043 The following topics are covered in this digest: Website Update Web Ring? Re: Work this? Suggestion Re: Work this? Suggestion Re: Suggestion Re: Work this? Re: Website Update Re: Work this? Re: Roll Call Re: TANTALUS Re: still kicking? Re: Work this? Nice hear you pals! Usually a lurker, but present Re: Web Ring? RE: Work this? Re: Work this? Re: Caught in the tendrils of Tantalus Re: Caught in the tendrils of Tantalus Re: [OT] Pirating (was: Work this?) I lurk. Therefore... Re: Caught in the tendrils of Tantalus Twilght 2000 video game RE: Twilght 2000 video game Ahhh.. but has anyone heard of the sequel? RE: Twilght 2000 video game Re: TANTALUS Re: Ahhh.. but has anyone heard of the sequel? Re: Twilght 2000 video game Re: Twilght 2000 video game ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:04:37 -0500 From: Mitch Berg Subject: Website Update Just to announce that I've updated my Twilight Character Generation site to version 2.2! All character generation is in v2.2 format, and there are several new careers (Firefighter, Pimp being just two) and new civilian ranks. I've also added an article I wrote for Challenge back in the day - on old, antique firearms from the early part of the century that are still available worldwide. The site is at http://www.humanwaredesign.com/t2k/ The old site, written for 2.0, is at http://www.humanwaredesign.com/ver2/ Enjoy, and send me your feedback. Mitch Berg Humanware Design - www.humanwaredesign.com (651)644-4192 User Interface Design, Usability Analysis and Information Engineering. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:05:47 -0500 From: Mitch Berg Subject: Web Ring? I've been carrying a bunch of T2k related sites on my website as part of the Web Ring effort. I notice some are off the air. I'm sure others have gone up since I first wrote my site a year ago. If you have any new T/M2k websites to add to my links page, let me know. Mitch Berg Humanware Design - www.humanwaredesign.com (651)644-4192 User Interface Design, Usability Analysis and Information Engineering. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:49:13 -0700 From: Karl Karlsson Subject: Re: Work this? Karl here. Wayne L. Patmore wrote: > Wayne here! > > It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press. > It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of the speech. > It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. > It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, > who allows the protester to burn the flag. > > By: Father D. E. O'Brien > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erwos [SMTP:erwos@geocities.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 1998 10:16 AM > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > Subject: RE: Work this? > > > > Are we the only ones left? > > > Lets have a roll call; > Erwos? Here! > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Part 1.2 Type: application/ms-tnef > Encoding: base64 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:02:42 EDT From: GDWGAMES@aol.com Subject: Suggestion CardSharks@aol.com said >In a message dated 10/4/98 1:39:49 PM Central Daylight Time, ronhale@c- >zone.net writes: > ><< I even offered to talk to them about buying the rights to M2K/T2K. But > never recieved so much as a No Thanks, Kiss Off, nothing. >> >Tantalus doesn't monitor this list,a nd Ihave to confess I miss much of what >it says as well. Inquiries about publishing T2K should come to me (address >FarFuture@AOL.com) and we can talk about the potential for acquiring a license >to publish T2K. Someone did that with DC and it is currently back in print. >*************************************************************************** If I may make a suggestion, anyone interested in publishing Twilight: 2000 (or anything else for that matter) should drop by www'lightningprint.com and read the material_ very_ carefully. If it does not inspire you to think about a new business plan, you have no business trying to publish T2K. Loren (my name is on the book cover) Wiseman *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:03:10 EDT From: Niteeye007@aol.com Subject: Re: Work this? Eric here! *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:02:29 EDT From: GDWGAMES@aol.com Subject: Suggestion CardSharks@aol.com said >In a message dated 10/4/98 1:39:49 PM Central Daylight Time, ronhale@c- >zone.net writes: > ><< I even offered to talk to them about buying the rights to M2K/T2K. But > never recieved so much as a No Thanks, Kiss Off, nothing. >> >Tantalus doesn't monitor this list,a nd Ihave to confess I miss much of what >it says as well. Inquiries about publishing T2K should come to me (address >FarFuture@AOL.com) and we can talk about the potential for acquiring a license >to publish T2K. Someone did that with DC and it is currently back in print. >*************************************************************************** If I may make a suggestion, anyone interested in publishing Twilight: 2000 (or anything else for that matter) should drop by www'lightningprint.com and read the material_ very_ carefully. If it does not inspire you to think about a new business plan, you have no business trying to publish T2K. Loren (my name is on the book cover) Wiseman *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:46:22 -0600 From: Rogue09 Subject: Re: Suggestion > If I may make a suggestion, anyone interested in publishing Twilight: 2000 (or > anything else for that matter) should drop by www'lightningprint.com and read > the material_ very_ carefully. If it does not inspire you to think about a new > business plan, you have no business trying to publish T2K. > > Loren (my name is on the book cover) Wiseman Some of us do remember when this info was first mentioned on the Webrpg forum, but it's always good to remind us there are other ways to go about this...as I recall the discussion on this went on for a couple days...the possibilities of this are immense...and when it catches on will change things as we know them-at least if you read books! GRIN T.R. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 00:09:31 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: Work this? At 07:49 PM 10/4/98 -0700, Karl Karlsson wrote: >Karl here. > >Wayne L. Patmore wrote: > >> Wayne here! >> >> It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press. Did you really have to quote an entire message, including an obnoxiously long (and badly misplaced) .sig, just to say "me too"? Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:08:32 +0300 (EDT) From: Janne Kemppi Subject: Re: Website Update > Just to announce that I've updated my Twilight Character Generation site to > version 2.2! All character generation is in v2.2 format, and there are > several new careers (Firefighter, Pimp being just two) and new civilian ranks. When do you fix the errors in Finnish army I pointed out before? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 03:31:37 EDT From: SharpInt@aol.com Subject: Re: Work this? Hey I just joined this thing, and I was wondering if anybody has a copy of the Twilight:2000 computer game that they can send me in a .zip file? Thanks Kevin Sharp Sharpint@aol.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:06:44 +1300 From: "Nathaniel Bacchus" Subject: Re: Roll Call I think you can get a list of people who receive this list from the server. I am here BTW :), just suffered a win 98 fatal crash etc - -----Original Message----- From: Hale To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Date: Monday, 5 October 1998 07:12 Subject: Roll Call >Well there are at least 8 people out there, including myself. >Not many but I'm sure there are a couple of lurkers who didn't post, and >there may be a few who are currently, offline for one reason or another. >TTFN >Ron Hale >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:09:54 +1300 From: "Nathaniel Bacchus" Subject: Re: TANTALUS >No, profit is not profit anymore...companies expect a big return on >their investment...big enough to cover their expenses for the project >and a lot more to spread around as well... I would have to agree. The profit from the RPG is just not worth the development cost. (Only when looked at from the money point of view). However, the software released at the right time would clean up a decent profit. Also movies based on the time line etc. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 07:38:31 -0600 From: Kurt Stogrin Subject: Re: still kicking? Stogi's always lurking. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:45:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Curran Subject: Re: Work this? S. B. Burzmali, here as always. - -S.B.Burzmali _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:19:09 +0200 From: "Pasi Parviainen" Subject: Nice hear you pals! Ok , this list working. Fine. I was on list earlier as "Mr. Pietu" and now I have own e-mail address (with my brothers name)in home. Do you pals read my "quick adventure tables" were I send them earlier. Do you like it? I get very few comments... Anyway, I and my brother are still Making new rules for TW:2000 and TNE, I we are about to add them in ours website when everybody can read them. But I need your help friends! Can anybody answers to following questions? 1. How good/bad you can see outside inside of MBT? Can you see people in about 2000m? In bad weather? 2. How to act with initiative levels in vehicle combat? Its very confusing in rulebook. 3. More questions are coming soon. Pietu *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:51:47 -0400 From: "Chuck Mandus" Subject: Usually a lurker, but present I'm here, I usually lurk here but since there is a roll call, I'll say, "at present!" B-) I've been a TW2K fan since 1984,just looking for some good ideas here. Chuck DE KA3WRW *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:16:37 -0700 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Web Ring? Mine still works, but I just ran out of room during the last update. I'm going to have to move elsewhere. Mitch Berg wrote: > I've been carrying a bunch of T2k related sites on my website as part of > the Web Ring effort. I notice some are off the air. I'm sure others have > gone up since I first wrote my site a year ago. > > If you have any new T/M2k websites to add to my links page, let me know. > > Mitch Berg > Humanware Design - www.humanwaredesign.com > (651)644-4192 > User Interface Design, Usability Analysis and > Information Engineering. > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:37:10 +0200 From: "Ronald Aas" Subject: RE: Work this? Ronald is still here (but not very active....) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:02:19 -0400 From: "RC" Subject: Re: Work this? Ray (the lurker from Canada). Here! >> Lets have a roll call; >> RON HALE? HERE! *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:49:23 +0200 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: Caught in the tendrils of Tantalus Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, Rogue09@Sprynet.com produced: > FASA material and such. A lot of people are convinced that RPG's are > dead with the revoltuion in the PC industry...after all who wants to > role play when you can turn on the computer and pop in some CD-Rom > game? These people are pointy haired. (cf dilbert) After all, a MUD/MOO/MUSH/... (pure text!) is a much stronger addictive than any "all graphics, all sound, no gameplay" video game. - -Wolfgang - -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:45:40 +0200 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: Caught in the tendrils of Tantalus Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, negril@mindspring.com produced: > Well its just as I had feared. I can't blame Tantalus for holding off on > TW2000. A walk through the once prospering local game shop last week was an > eye opener. It had been about two years since I browsed their aisles. You should have been there in between ... both to see and to buy (to stop the demise). Yet I don't fully understand what Tantalus wants with the rights to the game ... if they are really not interested in the paper RPG, they could[0] allow copying of certain things[1] or use a WWW page to distribute the old modules/rules[2]. Or allow such web sites to exist[1]. It would generate interest in an upcoming computer game, should that ever materialize ... Or is there a problem with loosing your copyright in this case in the US? [0] note: could, not should, must or have to. [1] would cost them next to nothing [2] would cost them not *too* much (though web sites are not exactly cheap) if the bandwith is not too expensive and the server is scalable enough > Where once stood row after row of cool RPG's there are now cards and > comics. Sorry but paying bloated prices for Magic cards and yet another Comics are growing (in Europe) AFAIK, but the card rage is retreating: I think it'll come to a significiant but not too large potion of the market. And it'll draw some people to RPGs which would never have seen them in another case. - -Wolfgang - -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:29:59 +0200 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: [OT] Pirating (was: Work this?) Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, SharpInt@aol.com produced: > Hey I just joined this thing, and I was wondering if anybody has a copy of the > Twilight:2000 computer game that they can send me in a .zip file? I belive that this would be pirating software. While I personally would like that copyrights to games be lifted after some years (when they are outdated) and maybe even made public[1] with source code, this is something that does not happen very often. Also I feel that the wishes of the copyright holder have to be considered; asking him/them to release the game or source code is one thing, pirating is another one. Even if -- as in this case -- the copyright holder cannot earn anything on that old game (as he's not selling it --- and probably it would not be bought) it would be wrong. Maybe Tantalus (current Copyright holder for all Twilight: 2000 stuff, IIRC) will release the old game for free (or add it) when/if they release the new game[2]. Red Baron I was given away for free (just the game, not the source) when RBII was released, same for Betrayal at Krondor when it's sequel was released. Manic Mansion was a 'game in the game' running on a computer screen in it's sequel Day Of The Tentakle. (But I dearly hope the new game will be able to run on DOS or Linux, too. And that it will be a ROLE-playing game rather than a Run Around And Kill Others To Get Their Stuff To Be Able To Kill Tougher Others ETC.) - -Wolfgang [1] i.e. you get the source and you are allowed to change the source and pass it or at leaste the changes on (under the same rights) --- whether you are allowed to take money for passing it is another question ... [2] which is, from what I heartell, the intention why they bought the copyright in first place. - -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:07:43 -0500 From: Lan Kelly Subject: I lurk. Therefore... Another lurker briefly unmasks. LAN Lan Kelly Lan@stic.net San Antonio, Texas ********** 'There's No Cure for Dumbass' Once you've got it. You've got it all your life. Musical comedy by J. Tom Graham *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 21:56:59 -0600 From: Rogue09 Subject: Re: Caught in the tendrils of Tantalus > You should have been there in between ... both to see and to > buy (to stop the demise). Yet I don't fully understand what > Tantalus wants with the rights to the game ... if they are > really not interested in the paper RPG, they could[0] allow > copying of certain things[1] or use a WWW page to distribute > the old modules/rules[2]. Or allow such web sites to exist[1]. > It would generate interest in an upcoming computer game, should > that ever materialize ... Well let's be realistic shall we? GDW was trying to do what was best for the company as it was going into trouble, they negotiated a contract which they believed would benfit them and try to keep the game in the hands of someone that would work with it. Remember Tantalus has been reluctant to allow anyone to put direct sections from the old games on their websites-much less rulebooks...why? Because they get NO profit from it. Their focus is on computer games and allowing other companies to come in and give them money to do the paperbound prinitng. Yes, I would love to see someone come in with money and buy the rights and issue a Version 3.0 rules and such... > > Or is there a problem with loosing your copyright in this case > in the US? As I understand this issue, you only loose a copyright if you do nothing with it for a period of time-in which the copyright passes into the "public"...and then is up for grabs...however I don't know how long this takes to occur...copyright law is not my speciality... > > [0] note: could, not should, must or have to. > [1] would cost them next to nothing > [2] would cost them not *too* much (though web sites are not > exactly cheap) if the bandwith is not too expensive and the > server is scalable enough > > > Where once stood row after row of cool RPG's there are now cards and > > comics. Sorry but paying bloated prices for Magic cards and yet another > > Comics are growing (in Europe) AFAIK, but the card rage is > retreating: I think it'll come to a significiant but not too > large potion of the market. And it'll draw some people to RPGs > which would never have seen them in another case. Well I like the RPG games that try and integrate cards into the game...Indiana Jones from West End Games, the new Marvel Super Heroes RPG from Wizards of The Coast...etc...Just what I want...one more thing to lose... T.R. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:22:56 EDT From: SharpInt@aol.com Subject: Twilght 2000 video game I don't know if any one else knows this, but there was a game produced on the basis of troops stranded in Poland after world war 3. That is why I have singed on to this list, I was hoping somebody would have a copy they could send me, as I lost the disks years ago, and my computer crashed. I didn't even know a paper-and-pencil game existed until I got on this list. I know that someone is going to send a nesty Email about this being a copyright violation, however, it was origonally created by a company that no longer exists so nobody holds the rights to the game that has already been published. Kevin Sharp *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:39:17 +0100 From: "Edward Bush" Subject: RE: Twilght 2000 video game I own said game... it's pretty good but certainly not earth shattering... I found the game is made much easier if you arm all your troops with MK-19 grenade launchers... then make sure they have excellent initiatives and the way the games designed it doesn't matter if they even have a decent HW skill... When the combat starts your all in one place and you can just let rip... Have a machine gun on one member to nail anyone who gets too close to use the G/L's ... Even the scarce resources doesn't work cause if you start the game with a decent (experienced) enough platoon and you can buy the stuff you want and get huge surpluses... I suppose it could be hard if you just used the default platoon, or very hard if you used auto generated characters (I found the computer picks the weirdest combinations of skills...) If you do get the game, make sure you get the errata sheet too... The game is PACKED with skills you can get (just like the real game) but the game clearly admits that some of the skill are just not used (and not just the obviously useless ones... now you'd think demolitions or lockpicking would come in useful...?) Another bug is if you are using your own platoon, make sure you have ALL the languages covered... I found the hard way, when I came across a villager I needed to talk to and my custom designed platoon failed to have the appropriate language... (1 time this polish villager was speaking Irish!?!) Anyway hope this is of some use and I look forward to seeing the results of this copyright discussion... Ed > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-twilight2000@Phaser.ShowCase.MPGN.COM > [mailto:owner-twilight2000@Phaser.ShowCase.MPGN.COM]On Behalf Of > SharpInt@aol.com > Sent: 07 October 1998 06:23 > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > Subject: Twilght 2000 video game > > > I don't know if any one else knows this, but there was a game > produced on the > basis of troops stranded in Poland after world war 3. That is why I have > singed on to this list, I was hoping somebody would have a copy they could > send me, as I lost the disks years ago, and my computer crashed. > I didn't even > know a paper-and-pencil game existed until I got on this list. > > I know that someone is going to send a nesty Email about this being a > copyright violation, however, it was origonally created by a > company that no > longer exists so nobody holds the rights to the game that has already been > published. > > > Kevin Sharp > ****************************************************************** > ********* > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com > with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:48:30 +0100 From: "Edward Bush" Subject: Ahhh.. but has anyone heard of the sequel? There was an advertisement (I can't remember whether it was a computer magazine or RPG mag for the sequel: Twilight 2001 There were even screen shots... It was similar isometric graphics (more detail) and promised - well pretty much more of the same actually... The opportunity to pilot a helicopter, hang-glide, use artillery and I'm sure let off a nuke... Can anyone else even back me up as to whether this existed as the magazine has long since vanished and I now only have fading memories of this... (BTW: on my pervious post I failed to mention I stopped playing after it started looping the missions... anyone who bothered progressing further could revive a dead game by giving me some advice as to what I actually have to do to get some decent missions...) PS: One of the publishers (I forget which.... I think it was Empire???) put the general on their BBS for free download so that should be around (This was a speech upgrade pack... I never got mine to work properly...) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:59:21 +0100 From: "Edward Bush" Subject: RE: Twilght 2000 video game Further to this: (sorry I keep remembering stuff...) I ONLY RECENTLY (6-12 months) saw it for sale!!!!! It was re-released on a budget label for 5.00 (GBP) (Sorry guys... I'm a brit!!)in a jewel case (no box)with the tank on the front as per the original box... Off hand I can't remember budget brand (one of the REALLY crap ones...) It might have been with another really bad game as a twin pack.... Possibly Megatraveler 1 or something??? Can anyone back me up on this??? (There must be someone who works in Electronic Boutique lurking...) Hope this jogs someone memory??? Maybe it gives us an idea of what's happened to it??? I'll have a look see if I can still find it, but I suspect it's gone the way of the dodo again... as I say it was on a really dodgy label... On of the one your parents buy cos the games are cheep not realising no ones ever heard of them.... (But it says there's 50 games on the front...) (yes there are but there all TOTAL CRAP!!!) Sorry guys.. a little off topic... BTW... I'm a lurker... and I'm here... Ed > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-twilight2000@Phaser.ShowCase.MPGN.COM > [mailto:owner-twilight2000@Phaser.ShowCase.MPGN.COM]On Behalf Of > SharpInt@aol.com > Sent: 07 October 1998 06:23 > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > Subject: Twilght 2000 video game > > > I don't know if any one else knows this, but there was a game > produced on the > basis of troops stranded in Poland after world war 3. That is why I have > singed on to this list, I was hoping somebody would have a copy they could > send me, as I lost the disks years ago, and my computer crashed. > I didn't even > know a paper-and-pencil game existed until I got on this list. > > I know that someone is going to send a nesty Email about this being a > copyright violation, however, it was origonally created by a > company that no > longer exists so nobody holds the rights to the game that has already been > published. > > > Kevin Sharp > ****************************************************************** > ********* > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com > with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:19:29 -0400 From: Rob Miracle Subject: Re: TANTALUS Hi Chris. Let me answer some of these questions for you. At 10:51 AM 10/4/98 -0500, you wrote: > I have been on the TW2000 mailing list for several weeks now >and have a question concerning the mailing list's origin. Is this mailing >list and subsequent list admin run by Tantalus? The reason I ask is because >a friend of mine worked at Tantalus as an intern and told me that they had >bought the rights to TW2000 and Dark Conspiracy. This list came about because I thought that it would be a nice thing to have since the games had just been purchased by us. I went to the management and got permission to offer this free service to the community. We were already running the Traveller mailing list and have since set up lists for several AD&D games. Tantalus bought the rights to TW2K, DC and 2300AD when GDW ceased operations. > Several people in a related news group had posted questions concerning >the current status of TW2000 and I replied explaining that Tantalus owned >the rights and based on the fact that they were a computer game design shop >it was unlikely that TW2000 would ever be reprinted. Not to mention the >fact that GDW had all but let the game fizzle out due to tepid sales. > So if Tantalus does in fact own the rights to TW2000 (and is reading >this) perhaps someone could reply as to what plans if any there are for >TW2000. Several people have talked about publishing the games, but so far no one has come forward with a serious business plan to do so. Publishing a game isn't easy and one has to have a serious understanding of the publishing world to have a feel what it would take. At some point, we want to release the games online in some form where you could access it from the web, but thats a distant project. I also want to comment on a couple of other things that was brought up in this thread. First, with regards to what we allow and don't allow. We have one the most flexible policies on letting people create web pages and other fan created material. See the FAQ at http://www.mpgn.com/gaming/licensing_faq.html for the details this. Do we listen? Yes. Every person who has contacted me about publishing the games, I have passed on to the licensing people. They are also told to submit in writing a business plan. If you are interested in this, contact FarFuture@aol.com and he can give you the necessary details. >P.S. > Hello JOHN EWING! Hope all is well in Key West. John is doing fine (Ewan). Rob *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Curran Subject: Re: Ahhh.. but has anyone heard of the sequel? - ---Edward Bush wrote: > (BTW: on my pervious post I failed to mention I stopped playing after it > started looping the missions... anyone who bothered progressing further > could revive a dead game by giving me some advice as to what I actually have > to do to get some decent missions...) Greetings, I played the game to its completetion, its okay I guess, some intresting missions are thrown in along with the old "go here and interrogate everyone missions". However, I ruined the game when I discovered a tactic that makes you invicible, expect to tanks. I want say it here to prevent ruining the game for anyone. - -S. B. Burzmali _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:05:50 +0200 From: Wolfgang Weisselberg Subject: Re: Twilght 2000 video game Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, SharpInt@aol.com produced: > I don't know if any one else knows this, but there was a game produced on the > basis of troops stranded in Poland after world war 3. That is why I have > singed on to this list, I was hoping somebody would have a copy they could > send me, as I lost the disks years ago, and my computer crashed. I didn't even > know a paper-and-pencil game existed until I got on this list. That's GDW's "Twilight: 2000" computer game, based on Version 2.x (2.0 I think, but I'm no expert there) of *THEIR* pen and paper RPG. > I know that someone is going to send a nesty Email about this being a Nope, I'll tell you publically, so you can't deny knowledge. > copyright violation, however, it was origonally created by a company that no > longer exists so nobody holds the rights to the game that has already been > published. That's akin to saying that the "pen-and-paper Twilight: 2000" 'was origonally created by a company that nolonger exists so nobody holds the rights to the game that has already been published.' That's obviously rubbish: Tantalus bought the game, the whole game and all rights, IIRC. That includes *specifically* all rights to computer games, IIRC. Now if someone wants to part with their version, that's one thing. You could also send a nice email or snailmail to Tantalus stating that you would like to have the old computer game and if it was possible to buy a licence which permitted you to make and own one copy for yourself. I don't know how they will react, but it might be worth a try. The lizensing information can be found on http://www.mpgn.com/gaming/licensing_faq.html - -Wolfgang - -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:14:04 EDT From: SharpInt@aol.com Subject: Re: Twilght 2000 video game If anyone can find the computer game I would be willing to buy it and pay for the postage to get it to Florida. Kevin Sharp Sharpint@aol.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1998 #43 ************************************