twilight2000-digest Sunday, August 16 1998 Volume 1998 : Number 035 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pbem games Re: Re: Re: Re: Radar rules correction to radar rules Re: correction to radar rules Re: Radar rules Re: Electronic version Re: Electronic version Re: Electronic version Re: Electronic version Re: Electronic version Re: Electronic version Newbee Re: Newbee Re: Newbee Re: Newbee Re: Newbee RE: Newbee Re: Newbee Re: Newbee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:12:24 -0300 From: wardlow Subject: Re: What about the ones that are in the armoured units. I also was military and while they are somewhat rare they are not all that rare and in wartime production would definitely boost. Vlad Captain Steele wrote: > Right On! > > I am an Infantryman, I have been in Four different Divisions during my time > here. GSRs are attached at the division level to Military Intelligence > Level. GSRs require a special MOS and in the general military population > THEY ARE RARE! > > ---------- > > From: Jeremy Menefee > > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > > Subject: Re: > > Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 8:43 AM > > > > >From my own experience (but remember, I was not in an infantry unit!), > GSRs are > > rare on a unit-level. Perhaps every regiment or division or whatever DID > have a > > few, but I think that given the appalling losses suffered by frontliners > in TW2K, > > those "few" available to the individual division would be mostly > > gone/destroyed/broken. Also, resupply is a pipe-dream to the units that > are > > left, so you can't really just phone home for a new one. Just my 1.5 > cents. > > > > -Jeremy M. > > Semper Fidelis > > > > wardlow wrote: > > > > > Gsr's are actually quite common....Even Canada has them!!!! > > > Vlad > > > > > > Captain Steele wrote: > > > > > > > >What do aircraft have to do with anything? The radars in question > aren't > > > > >aircraft radars, and in fact some of them aren't even designed to > detect > > > > >aircraft. > > > > > > > > Even if you are talking about GSRs (Ground Surveillance Radars) they > are > > > > hard to find even in today's modern military. In twilight I would > think > > > > they would be even harder to find. > > > > > > > > Cap > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with > the line > > > > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the > line > > > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the > line > > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:43:32 -0500 From: "Captain Steele" Subject: Re: You would think that were true, but even in the Gulf War we never even saw these things. In fact, the only time I ever saw one was at a M.I. exhibit on Fort Carson. As far as armor and mech. infantry go, they have the best thermal sights on the battle field, what would they even use GSRs for. (Just playing a little government finance advocate here). Besides, if you want them in your game, put them in, it's your game. - ---------- > From: wardlow > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > Subject: Re: > Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 9:12 AM > > What about the ones that are in the armoured units. I also was military and > while they are somewhat rare they are not all that rare and in wartime > production would definitely boost. > Vlad > Captain Steele wrote: > > > Right On! > > > > I am an Infantryman, I have been in Four different Divisions during my time > > here. GSRs are attached at the division level to Military Intelligence > > Level. GSRs require a special MOS and in the general military population > > THEY ARE RARE! > > > > ---------- > > > From: Jeremy Menefee > > > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > > > Subject: Re: > > > Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 8:43 AM > > > > > > >From my own experience (but remember, I was not in an infantry unit!), > > GSRs are > > > rare on a unit-level. Perhaps every regiment or division or whatever DID > > have a > > > few, but I think that given the appalling losses suffered by frontliners > > in TW2K, > > > those "few" available to the individual division would be mostly > > > gone/destroyed/broken. Also, resupply is a pipe-dream to the units that > > are > > > left, so you can't really just phone home for a new one. Just my 1.5 > > cents. > > > > > > -Jeremy M. > > > Semper Fidelis > > > > > > wardlow wrote: > > > > > > > Gsr's are actually quite common....Even Canada has them!!!! > > > > Vlad > > > > > > > > Captain Steele wrote: > > > > > > > > > >What do aircraft have to do with anything? The radars in question > > aren't > > > > > >aircraft radars, and in fact some of them aren't even designed to > > detect > > > > > >aircraft. > > > > > > > > > > Even if you are talking about GSRs (Ground Surveillance Radars) they > > are > > > > > hard to find even in today's modern military. In twilight I would > > think > > > > > they would be even harder to find. > > > > > > > > > > Cap > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with > > the line > > > > > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the > > line > > > > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the > > line > > > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:36:09 +1200 From: "NaT" Subject: Re: There were rules in the first edition that I CAN remember. I also remeber something about easy electronics rolls to use them and different ranges to spot different targets. I remeber the counter battery radar could help direct fire agains people hammering your postions NaT percival@ihug.co.nz Nathaniel Bacchus http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~percival - -----Original Message----- From: Grimace997@aol.com To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Date: Wednesday, 5 August 1998 19:34 Subject: Re: >In a message dated 98-08-05 03:30:38 EDT, you write: > ><< > What do aircraft have to do with anything? The radars in question aren't > aircraft radars, and in fact some of them aren't even designed to detect > aircraft. > > Scott Orr > ************ >> > >Oops. My bust. Just goes to show you that I don't use them, eh? Typically >when I see the terminology of "radar", I envision its use against air targets. > >Regardless, I don't use them. >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:38:13 +1200 From: "NaT" Subject: Re: Pbem games This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01BDC18A.E5AFE740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am running one, I think there are a few others out there as well. NaT percival@ihug.co.nz Nathaniel Bacchus http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~percival -----Original Message----- From: Darren To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Date: Wednesday, 5 August 1998 10:29 =20 =20 Hi eveyone. I have a few general questions for anyone who is = interested: =20 Has anyone ever thought of putting a few of the old Twilight modules = on the internet? Many are hard to find (if not impossible) and I think = it would help out a lot of people who dont have access to the old = material. This has already been done with TSRs "Star Frontiers", and it = has worked pretty well. =20 Second, is anyone running a PBEM Twilight game? If anyone wants to = start one up give me a hollar. I usually referee, but I do play = sometimes. =20 Third, has anyone ever used the Radars in the equipment section on = page 61? Nothing is mentioned in the rules concerning these items. =20 =20 =20 Darren =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01BDC18A.E5AFE740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am running one, I think there are = a few others=20 out there as well. NaT percival@ihug.co.nz Nathaniel = Bacchus http://homepages.ihug.co.n= z/~percival -----Original = Message----- From:=20 Darren To: = twilight2000@MPGN.COM = Date:=20 Wednesday, 5 August 1998 10:29 Hi eveyone. I have a few = general=20 questions for anyone who is interested: Has anyone ever thought of = putting a few of=20 the old Twilight modules on the internet? Many are hard to = find (if=20 not impossible) and I think it would help out a lot of people who = dont have=20 access to the old material. This has already been done with = TSRs=20 "Star Frontiers", and it has worked pretty = well. Second, is anyone running a PBEM = Twilight=20 game? If anyone wants to start one up give me a hollar. = I=20 usually referee, but I do play sometimes. Third, has anyone ever used the = Radars in=20 the equipment section on page 61? Nothing is mentioned in the = rules=20 concerning these items. Darren - ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01BDC18A.E5AFE740-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 16:30:11 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: At 03:33 AM 8/5/98 EDT, Grimace997@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 98-08-05 03:30:38 EDT, you write: > ><< > What do aircraft have to do with anything? The radars in question aren't > aircraft radars, and in fact some of them aren't even designed to detect > aircraft. > > Scott Orr > ************ >> > >Oops. My bust. Just goes to show you that I don't use them, eh? Typically >when I see the terminology of "radar", I envision its use against air targets. > >Regardless, I don't use them. Although it wasn't mentioned in TW2000, I found out later that a "ground surveilance" radar is designed to detect personnel entering a given area--in other words, it's used mostly for security functions. The counterbattery radar is used to detect incoming shells, and then calculate the locations of the firing units in order to direct counterbattery fire _very_ quickly; apparently it's very effective. Both types of radar were apparently used in NATO operations in Bosnia. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:02:10 EDT From: Niteeye007@aol.com Subject: Re: Hey! I'd be very interested in playing in a PBEM Twilight game. Let me know what happens with it! Eric *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:03:25 -0400 From: Scott David Orr Subject: Re: At 10:36 PM 8/6/98 +1200, NaT wrote: >There were rules in the first edition that I CAN remember. >I also remeber something about easy electronics rolls to use them and >different ranges to spot different targets. I remeber the counter battery >radar could help direct fire agains people hammering your postions > I don't recall any such rules, though of course I've been wrong before. Scott Orr *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:15:16 +0300 (EDT) From: Janne Kemppi Subject: Re: > You would think that were true, but even in the Gulf War we never even saw > these things. In fact, the only time I ever saw one was at a M.I. exhibit > on Fort Carson. As far as armor and mech. infantry go, they have the best > thermal sights on the battle field, what would they even use GSRs for. > (Just playing a little government finance advocate here). Besides, if you > want them in your game, put them in, it's your game. > The number of GSR's in US units is relatively small, mostly due fact that thermal imaging systems are so developed. Russians who were behind in TI technology compensated this by using more GSR equipment in their units. So in the start Russians have more of them. However, since it is rather expensive piece of equipment it must be very rare even in Russia in TW:2000 setting due lack of spares and production after warfare turned nuclear. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:01:09 -0600 From: Kurt Stogrin Subject: Radar rules I looked for the rules on radars and I located them in the First edition rules. They are located on the Errata sheet. They are ESY/ELC to operate. The mortar radar can be used to locate enemy mortars after they have fired two rounds from the same position. The artillery mortar can detect the position of any artillery or mortar after two rounds are fired from the same position as well. The ground surveillance radar can detect moving targets at 1500m (mansized) and moving targets at 3000m. Once an enemy position is identified by the radar it is then possible to conduct indirect fire on their postion without the aid of a forward observer. NaT wrote: > There were rules in the first edition that I CAN remember. > I also remeber something about easy electronics rolls to use them and > different ranges to spot different targets. I remeber the counter battery > radar could help direct fire agains people hammering your postions > > NaT > percival@ihug.co.nz > Nathaniel Bacchus > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~percival > > -----Original Message----- > From: Grimace997@aol.com > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > Date: Wednesday, 5 August 1998 19:34 > Subject: Re: > > >In a message dated 98-08-05 03:30:38 EDT, you write: > > > ><< > > What do aircraft have to do with anything? The radars in question aren't > > aircraft radars, and in fact some of them aren't even designed to detect > > aircraft. > > > > Scott Orr > > ************ >> > > > >Oops. My bust. Just goes to show you that I don't use them, eh? > Typically > >when I see the terminology of "radar", I envision its use against air > targets. > > > >Regardless, I don't use them. > >*************************************************************************** > >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line > 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:41:51 -0600 From: Kurt Stogrin Subject: correction to radar rules The ranges for the Ground Surveillance Radar should be 1500m for moving mansized targets and 3000m for moving vehicular targets *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:19:40 EDT From: Grimace997@aol.com Subject: Re: correction to radar rules Thanks for the radar rules. They might prove useful in future games. (at least it gives me an excuse to use those ground radars now) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:45:51 -0400 From: "Darren" Subject: Re: Radar rules Thanks a mill! I have both sets of rules. - -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Stogrin To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 9:14 AM Subject: Radar rules >I looked for the rules on radars and I located them in the First edition rules. >They are located on the Errata sheet. They are ESY/ELC to operate. The mortar >radar can be used to locate enemy mortars after they have fired two rounds from >the same position. The artillery mortar can detect the position of any >artillery or mortar after two rounds are fired from the same position as well. >The ground surveillance radar can detect moving targets at 1500m (mansized) and >moving targets at 3000m. Once an enemy position is identified by the radar it >is then possible to conduct indirect fire on their postion without the aid of a >forward observer. > >NaT wrote: > >> There were rules in the first edition that I CAN remember. >> I also remeber something about easy electronics rolls to use them and >> different ranges to spot different targets. I remeber the counter battery >> radar could help direct fire agains people hammering your postions >> >> NaT >> percival@ihug.co.nz >> Nathaniel Bacchus >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~percival >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Grimace997@aol.com >> To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM >> Date: Wednesday, 5 August 1998 19:34 >> Subject: Re: >> >> >In a message dated 98-08-05 03:30:38 EDT, you write: >> > >> ><< >> > What do aircraft have to do with anything? The radars in question aren't >> > aircraft radars, and in fact some of them aren't even designed to detect >> > aircraft. >> > >> > Scott Orr >> > ************ >> >> > >> >Oops. My bust. Just goes to show you that I don't use them, eh? >> Typically >> >when I see the terminology of "radar", I envision its use against air >> targets. >> > >> >Regardless, I don't use them. >> >*************************************************************************** >> >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >> >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. >> > >> >> *************************************************************************** >> To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >> 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:44:06 EDT From: Gopossum@aol.com Subject: Re: Electronic version Seems to me that Tantulus has spent a lot of time and energy into protecting its possesion, but in doing so has pretty much devalued it themselves. Most companies would encourage web pages and cross postings of out-of-print material to keep up interest, but I guess Tantulus knows best. I expect someone to bring out a simlar game. Then again, maybe there's not enough interest in the genre. Whatever, I'm outa here. Mike In a message dated 7/28/98 10:02:46 AM EST, roger@isg.abel.co.uk writes: << >Since GDW is no longer publishing TW2000 and no other company had begun to republish the rules and modules are there any electronic versions of the rules. I have hit several of the web pages and found updated/converted rules but no original rules. Also if anyone has rules/modules that they might we willing to sell at a reasonable price. Thomas - Unfortunately, there are no (AFAIN, anyhow) electronic copies of the rules to be had. Anyone who publishes the rules on the net, unless it's Tantalus themselves, will fall foul of the 'fair use' section of the trademark and copyright property now owned by them, too (there's just such a ruckus going on on the 2300 mailing list, BTW - some numpty's gone and done practically that. NOT clever, IMHO). I think your BEST bet is to hit the second hand games shops, or the stands in the conventions, until you get lucky. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. If it helps any, I got a note from one of Tantalus' development staff on an upcoming project last week, and he admitted that he hadn't got a copy, either (and no, I'm sorry, but I can't discuss what else was said)! Later! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger (Class 'B' UK Radio Amateur, call sign G1LIW) (Ex-Corporal, Royal Military Police, British Territorial Army) MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It ALWAYS goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! >> *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:57:26 +0100 From: John.Guy@student.shu.ac.uk (John Guy) Subject: Re: Electronic version I have an Original boxed set of T2000 and the new T2000 (Version 2.2 for sale with a load of modules). I even have a couple of hard to find sourcebooks including American small arms guide, and a few others, but what I really want is ARMOR 21, has anybody seen, heard, got a pre-release copy. Jaguy@pine.shu.ac.uk *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:11:50 +0300 (EDT) From: Janne Kemppi Subject: Re: Electronic version > I have an Original boxed set of T2000 and the new T2000 (Version 2.2 > for sale with a load of modules). > I even have a couple of hard to find sourcebooks including American > small arms guide, and a few others, but what I really want is ARMOR 21, > has anybody seen, heard, got a pre-release copy. I have to admit that I am rather curious of pre-release copy of ARMOR 21 as it was perhaps only TW:2000 supplement that I have really been waiting for. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:16:21 +0800 From: Benjamin Barton Subject: Re: Electronic version > > I have to admit that I am rather curious of pre-release copy > of ARMOR 21 as it was perhaps only TW:2000 supplement that > I have really been waiting for. > Armor 21 is what i would like to get an copy off. The last Challenge Mag 74-77?? Stated it was out. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:49:50 EDT From: Grimace997@aol.com Subject: Re: Electronic version In a message dated 98-08-14 06:33:11 EDT, you write: << > I have to admit that I am rather curious of pre-release copy > of ARMOR 21 as it was perhaps only TW:2000 supplement that > I have really been waiting for. > Armor 21 is what i would like to get an copy off. The last Challenge Mag 74-77?? Stated it was out. >> I've never heard of this Armor 21. What is it? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:29:18 +0800 From: Benjamin Barton Subject: Re: Electronic version Challenge 77 pg 21 and Twilight 2000 ver 2.2 book p280(last page) release october,1995 From the add and twilight book its the year 2020-2030, New Technologys like Brilliant munitions, active armor, real-time intelligence, intelligent mines, newer vehicles mount hyper-velocity railguns and active electromagnetic armor. (You could always use Fire, Fusion & Steel to make these for Twilight 2.2). >I've never heard of this Armor 21. What is it? >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:59:46 -0700 From: "Perry LaBranche" Subject: Newbee Hey all, I'm a newbee on the list and just wanted to say hey. (Wondering if there's anyone out there except for me?) It has been forever since I had the opportunity to play Twilight, but it's one of my favorite games. Do y'all use the original black box, or the gold one, or is it some sort of a combination of the two here? Later. Jesse. Vanquer@EMAIL.MSN.COM ICQ. 8004143 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:44:55 EDT From: Grimace997@aol.com Subject: Re: Newbee Welcome to the list. Personally, I use the V2.2, though I have all versions. The best adventures, of course, came from first edition stuff, and it's unfortunate that they never fully got ported over to the V2.2 format, but I make do. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:59:11 -0700 From: "Perry LaBranche" Subject: Re: Newbee >Welcome to the list. Personally, I use the V2.2, though I have all versions. >The best adventures, of course, came from first edition stuff, and it's >unfortunate that they never fully got ported over to the V2.2 format, but I >make do. I'm not familiar with theV2.2 rules? I had the 1st ed. rules, they got stolen- now I've got the 2nd ed. ones. I thought all of the stuff was excellent from 1st. Didn't like 2nd much though. Does anyone know where I could get the 1st ed. box? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:11:02 EDT From: Grimace997@aol.com Subject: Re: Newbee Sorry, I haven't seen anything "Twilight" for about a year now. That's the problem when a company goes out of business. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:13:03 -0700 From: "Perry LaBranche" Subject: Re: Newbee >Sorry, I haven't seen anything "Twilight" for about a year now. That's the >problem when a company goes out of business. Sure enough. I've been looking for that sucker since it went Oop with 2nd ed. That was a long time ago too... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:13:32 -0500 From: Terrell Scoggins Subject: RE: Newbee - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDC939.32F863A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most of my 2nd edition stuff came used from Titan Games. http://www.titan-games.com/ Terrell Scoggins - -----Original Message----- From: Perry LaBranche [SMTP:Vanquer@email.msn.com] Sent: Sunday, August 16, 1998 4:13 PM To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Subject: Re: Newbee >Sorry, I haven't seen anything "Twilight" for about a year now. That's the >problem when a company goes out of business. Sure enough. I've been looking for that sucker since it went Oop with 2nd ed. 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Crazy Egor's Game Wharehouse and Millenium Books and Games. I know that Millenium had a boxed set of version one just this last week in stock. Eric *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:35:07 -0400 From: "Darren" Subject: Re: Newbee I actually use a little of both. It depends how I feel. I always found that the newer versions never gave enough skills. You usually ended up with a character who knew a lot of skills, but was crappy at all of them. Only the older characters were any good; but personally, i dont like the idea of playing 50 year old soldiers. I always ended up with a group of generals and colonels, but no privates. a little strange. i also think that the prices for ammo and weapons are too low. A beginning character can buy enough ammo to last forever. tens of thousands of rounds can be bought for a few thousand dollars. a little silly. - -----Original Message----- From: Perry LaBranche To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 3:16 PM Subject: Newbee >Hey all, > > I'm a newbee on the list and just wanted to say hey. (Wondering if >there's anyone out there except for me?) >It has been forever since I had the opportunity to play Twilight, but it's >one of my favorite games. Do y'all use the original black box, or the gold >one, or is it some sort of a combination of the two here? > >Later. > >Jesse. >Vanquer@EMAIL.MSN.COM >ICQ. 8004143 > > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line >'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe twilight2000' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1998 #35 ************************************