twilight2000-digest Tuesday, February 24 1998 Volume 1998 : Number 012 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: Iraq How do I unsubscribe this? Re: Lenin Remove Re: How do I unsubscribe this? Re: Lenin, Iraq, this list... Twilight supplements Re: Lenin Re: Lenin Re: Twilight supplements T2K Web Ring: implementation of Cascading Style Sheets? Re: Twilight supplements Re: Description (rough) of N&B weapons. Re: Description (rough) of N&B weapons. On the subject of chemical weapons Also interesting Re: Also interesting Re: Description (rough) of N&B weapons. Re: Also interesting T2K Web Ring: implementation of Cascading Style Sheets Re: T2K Web Ring: implementation of Cascading Style Sheets Re: T2K Web Ring: implementation of Cascading Style Sheets Re: T2K Web Ring: implementation of Cascading Style Sheets test Re: test Re: test Re: test Hello/.50 cal Sniper Rifle stats? Re: Hello/.50 cal Sniper Rifle stats? Hello. Re: Hello. New scenario idea against RPGs Re: New scenario idea Re: Hello. RE: New scenario idea RE: New scenario idea Re: New scenario idea Re: New scenario idea Re: New scenario idea Re: against RPGs Re: Hello/.50 cal Sniper Rifle stats? Re: Hello/.50 cal Sniper Rifle stats? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 07:12:02 EST From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Iraq In a message dated 98-02-14 19:19:47 EST, you write: > > I thought the U.S had no chemical weapons... Wrong answer. There are a few chemeical weapons stockpiles areound the country and in our territories. As with Nukes, we've got quite an arsenal.... Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:09:53 +0100 From: Daniel Lilienberg Subject: How do I unsubscribe this? I don't want to have these mails anymore, please take it away! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:59:54 EST From: Pmj6@aol.com Subject: Re: Lenin In a message dated 98-02-15 01:31:48 EST, you write: << Well, rather than explain I pulled this off the internet. >> Too bad, Internet sources do not impress me all that much. I am sure you could have done a much better job of it yourself. Besides, there is now a wealth of material published in Poland that deals with that subject (one of many areas of Polish history which could not be discussed under communism) and I had both time and opportunity to acquaint myself with new scholarship in that area when I spent some time in Poland while serving in the US Army. None of what your Internet source states contradicts any of what I said. Red Army was certainly not massing its forces on Polish border or attacking into Baltic republics (had they done so, how do you explain they remained independent states until 1939? Where is this bloodbath you are describing?), and the "vigorous counterattack" was in fact a huge land grab. If there were significant Russian forces on the border in Poland, the Polish army could not have advanced as far as it did (Kiev, far beyond 18th century borders) as fast as it did. When the Red Army did finally counterattack the Polish advance turned into a rout. Luckily, one of the armies advancing on Warsaw had its sole radio destroyed by a Polish cavalry raid and did not receive orders to turn south and attack Warsaw from the rear. As a result, a gap developed between Russian armies which was exploited by the Polish army, forcing Russian armies to retreat or risk being surrounded. If you want an illustration of how the two sides treated the issue of Lithuanian territorial sovereignty, one of the Red Army's retreating units, Gai's Cavalry Corps, was forced to move into Lithuania to evade Polish pursuit, where it allowed itself to be disarmed and interned. Think about it: it allowed itself to be disarmed and interned in accordance with the laws of war (but wait, aren't Bolsheviks supposed to violate these things?). In fact, Lithuanian government had a far greater axe to grind with Poland whose army occupied the city of Vilnius claiming it for Poland, even though its status was supposed be decided by a plebiscite. This was just one of many Polish mistakes in foreign policy in the interwar period. Pilsudski (the same guy who later overthrew the democratically elected Polish government in a military coup d'etat because he found it too "leftist" for his tastes) was asked by White Russian generals to help them defeat the Bolsheviks in 1918 but he refused because Russian generals would not allow Poland to annex Ukraine and wanted the border between Poland and Russia to be determined along ethnic lines. His reasoning was that Poland was better off having as a neighbor a weak Bolshevik Russia than a strong monarchist or even democratic one, and thought the perfect time to take a big chunk out of Russian empire was when the White generals were on the verge of being defeated and the Bolsheviks were still busy fighting them and could not spare troops to retake Ukraine. Sorry to say it, but you just can't lay all the blame for everything that happened on Bolsheviks. If you want to find out exactly how Lenin differed from Stalin in terms of philosophy and ideology, read some books by Stephen Cohen. There is one in particular that deals with Nikolai Bukharin, Lenin's closest heir in terms of ideology. I think you will get a far less simplistic impression of the October Revolution and its aftermath than from the Internet. Regards, Mike Jasinski ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:21:14 +0800 From: Guo Rong Subject: Remove At 07:12 AM 2/15/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-02-14 19:19:47 EST, you write: > >> >> I thought the U.S had no chemical weapons... > >Wrong answer. >There are a few chemeical weapons stockpiles areound the country and in our >territories. As with Nukes, we've got quite an arsenal.... > >Chris > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:02:18 -0500 From: Rob Miracle Subject: Re: How do I unsubscribe this? send a mail message to: twilight2000-request@mpgn.com in the body say: unsubscribe Rob At 03:09 PM 2/15/98 +0100, you wrote: >I don't want to have these mails anymore, please take it away! > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:44:15 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: Lenin, Iraq, this list... >Yes, if Lenin wasn't a dictator, then it was strange company that he >kept. Company. A truly operative word, no doubt? Does a dictator keep company? - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:35:17 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Twilight supplements Does anyone know of a company who has put out supplements other than 3W (and GDW, of course)? Thanks. Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:39:16 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: Lenin >The Russo-Polish War > > >A barely revived Poland had to confront Soviet Russia on the issue of >their common border. Ha! You have got to be kidding me! Peter, these articles- these things are biased. Whether for or against the Soviets, historians are very prone to bias on this topic. To say that Poland was weak, my god man, what a way to turn the tables! Here, however, the Bolshevik threat took a >different form from that in Bulgaria and Hungary. To begin with, Poland >had a common border with Soviet Russia, a border that was still hazy in >early 1919. Many Poles still cherished the hope of returning to the >historical borders of Greater Poland of the 18th century, but in this >their interests ran counter to those of the young Baltic states born >from the ruins of old Russia. However, as the German troops gradually >evacuated Russian and Baltic territories they had occupied in 1915-1916, >the Red Army took their place and began attacking the armies of the >young Baltic republics and of Poland. From April to August, 1919, >General Pilsudski counter-attacked vigorously, retaking Brest-Litovsk, >Grodno, Wilno and most of White Russia from the Soviets. I'm confused Peter. What are you trying to say here? Isn't this something to do with how Lenin is such an evil man? I fail to see this at all. Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:42:23 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: Lenin I think you will get a far less simplistic >impression of the October Revolution and its aftermath than from the Internet. The library of congress has good information on Lenin, and... I'd like to believe, my site does as well. I don't provide any theories, hypothises, or whatever- simply documents from the time. Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:41:07 EST From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Twilight supplements In a message dated 98-02-16 23:50:19 EST, you write: > > Does anyone know of a company who has put out supplements other than 3W > (and GDW, of course)? Thanks. > You mean 3W, GDW and Tantalus? hehehehehe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:41:21 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: T2K Web Ring: implementation of Cascading Style Sheets? Hi there. As I'm now gearing up for full HTML4.0 compliance with INTSUM, and therefore the use of CSS. Before I use them, I was wondering if anyone else uses Cascading Style Sheets, and how they implemented their usage, and if they had problems doing so. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger (Soon to be re-licenced as a Class 'B' UK Radio Amateur, call sign G1LIW) MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:48:41 EST From: CardSharks@aol.com Subject: Re: Twilight supplements In a message dated 98-02-16 23:50:19 EST, you write: << Does anyone know of a company who has put out supplements other than 3W (and GDW, of course)? Thanks. >> My short answer is yes. ... Oh, you want to know the name of the company. TK Kustannus Oy in Finland did three T2K supplements in Finnish. Officially licensed and all. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:08:08 +0400 From: Anthony Kim Subject: Re: Description (rough) of N&B weapons. Roger Stenning wrote: > >why are the radiation tolerances so low in t2k? From what I know you can > >take several thousand rads of exposure before it becomes very dangerous. > >I thought it was that if you live by power lines or something you take > >maybe a 100 rads a year. > > Best bet: Talk to a quack. Should know a bit more. Or read a couple of > nuclear medicine texts . Well, I am doing research in a molecular bio lab where we use isotopes and had to be trained in radiation safety. If I remember correctly, the maximum allowable dose for a year is 5 rads. The several thousand rads figure, sure I suppose you could take it, but you can pretty much kiss off having children, and can look forward to an early cancer-caused death. - -Tony Kim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:39:04 -0500 From: Derek Klein Subject: Re: Description (rough) of N&B weapons. There is a heap of info on nukes at http://www.fas.org/nuke/hew/ Scroll down to the FAQ @ the bottom. I believe sction 5 covers damage from thermal, blast, and radiation effects. I don't know of a similar FAQ on Bio/Chem weapons, but I seem to recall having run across a good one at either the CDC or NIH site during the anthrax scare in DC last year. DK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:18:59 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: On the subject of chemical weapons This was in Jane's news briefs (might be useful for those of you using the RDF sourcebook): Chemical protection for Israel Israel has ordered antidotes, gas masks and protective equipment worth $68 million in response to fears that Saddam Hussein might use chemical or biological warheads against it if allied forces launch military strikes against Iraq. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:19:48 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Also interesting WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT Bell Helicopter Textron is aiming to sell 100 AH-1W Super Cobra attack helicopters to the Polish armed forces, with most aircraft being assembled in Poland at the PZL Swidnik factory under a phased program of steadily increasing Polish participation. An agreement could be signed in September. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:04:15 -0800 From: "Mad Mike" Subject: Re: Also interesting - ---------- > From: Peter Vieth > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > Subject: Also interesting > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 6:19 PM > > WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT > > Bell Helicopter Textron is aiming to sell 100 AH-1W Super Cobra attack > helicopters to the Polish armed forces, with most aircraft being > assembled in > Poland at the PZL Swidnik factory under a phased program of steadily > increasing > Polish participation. An agreement could be signed in September. Are you sure you're not confusing Bell Textron's success in Romania? They've got a license to produce a couple dozen about 50) AH-1F/E model Cobras- whater with new CNITE thermal imagers in the M65 TOW sight is unknown. The AH-1W was selected by Turkey and Taiwan as their new attack choppers but the biggest project is the 4BW program to give all Super Cobras with the Marines new four bladed tail and main rotors along with improved drive shats along with avionics upgrades (hopefully a "glass" type cockpit for the pilot and the gunner). It's no secret that the -1Ws have had everything from RWRs to TACAN but systems integration has sucked big time. Making things look nice and disgestible for these jarhead officers and gentlemen should be priority number one. Incidentally at one point Bell Textron offered a 4BW program for single engine Snake users but no doubt failed due to the success of the Apache. Mad Mike "May God bless your bayonets that they may penetrate deep into the entrails of your enemies. May the Almighty in His great righteousness direct your artillery fire upon the heads of the enemy staffs. Merciful God, grant that all our enemies may be stifled amid their own blood, from the wounds which we inflict upon them."- Geza Szatmur Budafal, Archbishop of Budapest, "The Good Soldier Schweik" by Jaroslav Hacek ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:35:58 +0400 From: Anthony Kim Subject: Re: Description (rough) of N&B weapons. Derek Klein wrote: > > There is a heap of info on nukes at > > http://www.fas.org/nuke/hew/ And a related site, dealing with management and an overview of biological and chemical warfare, is the USAMRIID (US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases at: http://140.139.42.105/html/Home/home.html The site also contains the texts of FM 8-9: Handbook on the Medical Aspects of NBC Defensive Operations, Medical Management of Biological Casualties, and Defense Against Toxin Weapons. Pretty interesting stuff. - -Tony Kim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:24:51 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Also interesting Mad Mike wrote: > > ---------- > > From: Peter Vieth > > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > > Subject: Also interesting > > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 6:19 PM > > > > WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT > > > > Bell Helicopter Textron is aiming to sell 100 AH-1W Super Cobra attack > > helicopters to the Polish armed forces, with most aircraft being > > assembled in > > Poland at the PZL Swidnik factory under a phased program of steadily > > increasing > > Polish participation. An agreement could be signed in September. > > Are you sure you're not confusing Bell Textron's success in > Romania? They've got a license to produce a couple dozen about > 50) AH-1F/E model Cobras- whater with new CNITE thermal imagers > in the M65 TOW sight is unknown. > The AH-1W was selected by Turkey and Taiwan as their > new attack choppers but the biggest project is the 4BW program > to give all Super Cobras with the Marines new four bladed tail > and main rotors along with improved drive shats along with avionics > upgrades (hopefully a "glass" type cockpit for the pilot and the > gunner). It's no secret that the -1Ws have had everything from RWRs > to TACAN but systems integration has sucked big time. Making things > look nice and disgestible for these jarhead officers and gentlemen > should be priority number one. > Incidentally at one point Bell Textron offered a 4BW program > for single engine Snake users but no doubt failed due to the success > of the Apache. > > Mad Mike I copied that directly from the e-mail i got from Jane's. If there's a mistake its not mine. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:11:48 -0000 From: "Tas Wake" Subject: T2K Web Ring: implementation of Cascading Style Sheets I'm not 100% sure about the use of CSS but aren't there some compatability problems between IE4 and Netscape? This may be in relation to using JavaScript or VBScript to interact with the style tags and if you have some method of the information being easily viewd by none IE4 browsers then no problem - personally I think they are a pretty good idea (but then again I use IE4) As an aside (and I'm not to going to enter into Navigator/IE/Microsoft debates) the survey on my web site is reporting IE (3 or 4) usage as about twice that of Netscape (versions 2,3 or 4) but this may be skewed by the fact that most of the hits come from people connected with my service provider and they give you IE!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:16:33 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: T2K Web Ring: implementation of Cascading Style Sheets Tas Wake wrote: > > I'm not 100% sure about the use of CSS but aren't there some compatability > problems between IE4 and Netscape? This may be in relation to using > JavaScript or VBScript to interact with the style tags and if you have some > method of the information being easily viewd by none IE4 browsers then no > problem - personally I think they are a pretty good idea (but then again I > use IE4) THe only Javascript I know is the menu... so no problem here really. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:43:23 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: T2K Web Ring: implementation of Cascading Style Sheets At 00:11 20/02/98 -0000, you wrote: >I'm not 100% sure about the use of CSS but aren't there some compatability >problems between IE4 and Netscape? This may be in relation to using >JavaScript or VBScript to interact with the style tags and if you have some >method of the information being easily viewd by none IE4 browsers then no >problem - personally I think they are a pretty good idea (but then again I >use IE4) I believe there MAY be a problem with some browsers in realtion to CSS, which was why I asked. With the introduction of the approved version of the W3C's HTML 4.0, it may well be that CSS recognition will become more widespread in time. We'll see. >As an aside (and I'm not to going to enter into Navigator/IE/Microsoft >debates) the survey on my web site is reporting IE (3 or 4) usage as about >twice that of Netscape (versions 2,3 or 4) but this may be skewed by the >fact that most of the hits come from people connected with my service >provider and they give you IE!! Funny. My tracker (WebCount) says the opposite. But then the ISP gave a choice of browser. 'Nuff said, IMHO! In any event, I'm holding fire on CSS for the time being, due to comments from some people about their browser capabilities, not just from this list. Later! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger (Soon to be re-licenced as a Class 'B' UK Radio Amateur, call sign G1LIW) MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:47:22 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: T2K Web Ring: implementation of Cascading Style Sheets At 17:16 19/02/98 -0800, you wrote: >Tas Wake wrote: >> >> I'm not 100% sure about the use of CSS but aren't there some compatability >> problems between IE4 and Netscape? This may be in relation to using >> JavaScript or VBScript to interact with the style tags and if you have some >> method of the information being easily viewd by none IE4 browsers then no >> problem - personally I think they are a pretty good idea (but then again I >> use IE4) > >THe only Javascript I know is the menu... so no problem here really. Yeah, it's in the webring menu towards the middle of the first page. Thanks. _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger (Soon to be re-licenced as a Class 'B' UK Radio Amateur, call sign G1LIW) MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:44:29 -0800 From: Hale Subject: test I haven't seen any traffic in over 24 hours, from any of the lists I'm on. So, I'm mailing this to see if it comes back. TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:32:19 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: test At 10:44 21/02/98 -0800, you wrote: >I haven't seen any traffic in over 24 hours, from any of the lists I'm >on. So, I'm mailing this to see if it comes back. >TTFN >Ron Hale Received in the UK with no problems, Ron. _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger (Soon to be re-licenced as a Class 'B' UK Radio Amateur, call sign G1LIW) MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:38:53 EST From: Grimace997@aol.com Subject: Re: test I got it up here in Alaska too. I believe the traffic on the weekend just dies off. While I'm on here, anyone out there interested in buying some Twilight 2000 material? I know someone who's selling. By the way, does anyone know what the designation is for the 7.62 versin of the M249 SAW is? I've gone and forgotten it, and I would like to add it to my weapons list. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:23:27 +1030 (CST) From: John Rowe Subject: Re: test > I got it up here in Alaska too. I believe the traffic on the weekend just > dies off. While I'm on here, anyone out there interested in buying some > Twilight 2000 material? I know someone who's selling. Yea, I'd be interested. What do they have? > By the way, does anyone know what the designation is for the 7.62 versin of > the M249 SAW is? I've gone and forgotten it, and I would like to add it to my > weapons list. The US call it the M240G. It is the Belgian MAG 58, or GPMG in British parlance. Cheers John Rowe jtr@Adelaide.dialix.oz.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:21:12 -0500 From: Chris & Jennifer Subject: Hello/.50 cal Sniper Rifle stats? Greetings! I'm a new listee, wondering if anyone was out there. If so, y'all have any stats on the .50 cal sniper rifles, like the Barrett M82A1? I've got a player who is obessed with them, and wants one for his Merc: 2000 char...any help you might be able to give would be greatly appreciated. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:52:22 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: Hello/.50 cal Sniper Rifle stats? At 17:21 22/02/98 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings! > I'm a new listee, wondering if anyone was out there. If so, y'all have >any stats on the .50 cal sniper rifles, like the Barrett M82A1? I've >got a player who is obessed with them, and wants one for his Merc: 2000 >char...any help you might be able to give would be greatly appreciated. > >Chris Hiya Chris - Welcome to the list! Glad you made it, after the probs you had! OK. Barrett M82A1 and M82A2 are very similar in stats, the differences being in overall length and operation. The M82A1 is a conventional layout rifle, and the M82A2 is a 'bullpup' layout. related, by the same manufacturer is the M90, a bolt-action version of the M82A2. Range, recoil, and other matters are as listed below. -- -RECOIL--- WEAPON ROF DAM PEN BLK MAG SS BRST RNG M82A1/2 SA 9 2-2-3 4 11 8 - 50 Bipod SA 9 2-2-3 4 11 4 - 90 M90 SA 9 2-2-3 4 5 9 - 40 Bipod SA 9 2-2-3 4 5 6 - 80 Ammunition: .50"BMG Length: 145cm (M82A1) 141cm (M82A2) 114cm (M90) Weight: 15.9 kg (loaded)(M82A1) 13.5 kg (loaded)(M82A2) 10.6 kg (loaded)(M90) Mag: 11 box (M82A1 & A2) 5 box (M90) Price (T2K): $2200 (Rare/unavailable)* (M82A1 & A2) $1800 (unavailable/unavailable)*(M90) Price (Merc): $2800 (s/c)** (M82A1) $3100 (s/c)** (M82A2) $1400 (c/v)** (M90) *(WITH contacts/WITHOUT contacts) **(WITHOUT contacts/WITH contacts) NOTE: the stats for the M82A1 are slightly different than those in the T2K Infantry Weapons of the World, due to tha fact that the M82 series are supplied with eleven round magazines, not five round magazines. The M90 is a very civilianised version of the M82 series of weapons, to cope with some countries import restrictions on types of firearms available to civilians. It also has a muzzle brake on it that is truly huge - When fired, the visible signature from this is a cloud of dirt that tends to envelope the firer for a few seconds, and is a dead givaway if the shooter is in a combat situation, unless bloody careful to cover any dry ground nearby with a dampening amount of water. Hope this helps you out, Chris. Enjoy the list! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger (Soon to be re-licenced as a Class 'B' UK Radio Amateur, call sign G1LIW) MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:53:11 EST From: GTN750@aol.com Subject: Hello. Hi I am new to the list and I am very interested in any house rules and equipment\weapons\and vehicles. Thanks a million, Glenn Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:22:21 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: Hello. At 19:53 22/02/98 EST, you wrote: >Hi I am new to the list and I am very interested in any house rules and >equipment\weapons\and vehicles. >Thanks a million, >Glenn Nelson Welcome to the list, Glenn. I'd suggest you first look at the sites that support T2K; a few of us (more vocal folks) have organised a webring of sorts, which will simplify the search for support sites for Twilight. The link to INTSUM in my signature strip leads to my site, and from there you can easily find the others on the ring. The webring links are about half-way down the welcome page, when you get there. Enjoy! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger (Soon to be re-licenced as a Class 'B' UK Radio Amateur, call sign G1LIW) MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:39:05 +0200 From: Pietu Subject: New scenario idea Hi, Pals! I have ( maybe ) new idea for solo-players ( GM+player ). The player is fighterpilot who get hit by SAM-missile and ejeted. Now player is in enemy area with his rescuebag and pistol. Hi must be find his way out from hostilearea and get back friendlys. Off course, this must be hard. There must be someone who run after him, maybe same enemy military police with dogs and couple of wannabe-police civilians. Hi must move with caution and avoid buildings Etc. And maybe there are much food or water in rescuebag? What about when he hurt himself? Whos gonna help him?.. If you GM, are tired of players who have plenty of ammo and other power, this is something were player is very deep in trouble and will not destroy enemys HQ or powerplant. I think this scenario is possible add TW:2000 if you just play in year 1997-1999. ( Later, there was no nothing to fly with .) Best scenarioarea is possible desert, or same what I am leading, north Norway at Autumn 1997 ( In twilight2000 history, off course.) Tell me what you think about this? Mr. Pietu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:30:03 PST From: "Teemu Niemi" Subject: against RPGs Does somebody know any www-sites, where I could find some text against RPGs? I am doing a little schoolproject and I need a second opinion. (One opinion I have :) ). Text don't have to be big, maybe few pages... Teemu Niemi ICQ# 7622943 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:05:09 -0800 (PST) From: mike miller Subject: Re: New scenario idea I like the idea, but it could still be played after 1999. He could be a helicopter pilot who is shot down, of course this increases the chances of being wounded. - ---Pietu wrote: > > Hi, Pals! > I have ( maybe ) new idea for solo-players ( GM+player ). The player is > fighterpilot who get hit by SAM-missile and ejeted. Now player is in enemy > area with his rescuebag and pistol. Hi must be find his way out from > hostilearea and get back friendlys. > > Off course, this must be hard. There must be someone who run after him, > maybe same enemy military police with dogs and couple of wannabe-police > civilians. > > Hi must move with caution and avoid buildings Etc. And maybe there are much > food or water in rescuebag? What about when he hurt himself? Whos gonna help > him?.. > > If you GM, are tired of players who have plenty of ammo and other power, > this is something were player is very deep in trouble and will not destroy > enemys HQ or powerplant. > > I think this scenario is possible add TW:2000 if you just play in year > 1997-1999. ( Later, there was no nothing to fly with .) Best scenarioarea is > possible desert, or same what I am leading, north Norway at Autumn 1997 ( In > twilight2000 history, off course.) > > Tell me what you think about this? > Mr. Pietu > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:44:20 -0800 From: Hale Subject: Re: Hello. GTN750@aol.com wrote: > Hi I am new to the list and I am very interested in any house rules and > equipment\weapons\and vehicles. > Thanks a million, > Glenn Nelson Welcome to the list. For info on weapons, vehicles, and other equipment. TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:48:43 -0600 From: "Reed DE (David) at MSXSSC" Subject: RE: New scenario idea Pietu: > Tell me what you think about this? A most excellent idea, sir. I have stolen it already, and I am only telling you so out of courtesy for your creative talents. Please continue to share the bounty of your abilities. Variations on the theme: 1. Russian bomber crewman shot down over US soil, early 1998. 2. Iraqi fighter/bomber pilot shot down over Israel/Gaza, late 1997. 3. Chinese cargo plane crewman (plane got lost over Siberia) shot down over Siberia, "summer" 1999. 4. US slick pilot (slick = helicopter) out of Thailand shot down over Vietnam, late 1999. (To add irony, make it the second time in 25 years for this particular pilot. 'Oh, no. Not again!') - --- Dave dreed@shellus.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:15:46 -0500 From: Scott David Orr Subject: RE: New scenario idea At 04:48 PM 2/23/98 -0600, Reed DE (David) at MSXSSC wrote: Good ideas. :) >3. Chinese cargo plane crewman (plane got lost over Siberia) shot down over >Siberia, "summer" 1999. You know, it does get pretty warm in southern Siberia :). It's the north that's the frozen wasteland.... >4. US slick pilot (slick = helicopter) out of Thailand shot down over >Vietnam, late 1999. (To add irony, make it the second time in 25 years for >this particular pilot. 'Oh, no. Not again!') > I think actually a "slick" is an _unarmed_ helicopter. And for that matter, I could have sworn the term applies applies to airplanes too (though I've only heard it as a noun, rather than an adjective, when applied to a helicopter). Scott Orr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:44:45 -0500 From: Derek Klein Subject: Re: New scenario idea One of the best Twilight campaigns I ever ran centered around a B- 52 crew that was shot down over Russia early in the war. My inspiration was the novel "Broken Eagle," (whose author escapes me). The story centers around a downed aircrew that has to make their way across Siberia to Alaska. Each PC had to assume the role of one of the aircrew positions (IIRC: Pilot, Co-Pilot, Navigator, Bombardier, EW Officer and Tailgunner), and their initial equipment was limited to the gear outlined in the survival kit in the book. Of course they were able to parlay their survival training, and as in the book, hi-jacked a train. It was pretty cool. At 08:39 AM 2/23/98 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, Pals! >I have ( maybe ) new idea for solo-players ( GM+player ). The player is >fighterpilot who get hit by SAM-missile and ejeted. Now player is in enemy >area with his rescuebag and pistol. Hi must be find his way out from >hostilearea and get back friendlys. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:05:23 -0500 From: bell029@ibm.net Subject: Re: New scenario idea Derek Klein wrote: > > One of the best Twilight campaigns I ever ran centered around a B-52 crew > that was shot down over Russia early in the war. My inspiration was the > novel "Broken Eagle," (whose author escapes me). The story centers around > a downed aircrew that has to make their way across Siberia to Alaska. Each > PC had to assume the role of one of the aircrew positions (IIRC: Pilot, > Co-Pilot, Navigator, Bombardier, EW Officer and Tailgunner), and their > initial equipment was limited to the gear outlined in the survival kit in > the book. Of course they were able to parlay their survival training, and > as in the book, hi-jacked a train. It was pretty cool. > > At 08:39 AM 2/23/98 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi, Pals! > >I have ( maybe ) new idea for solo-players ( GM+player ). The player is > >fighterpilot who get hit by SAM-missile and ejeted. Now player is in enemy > >area with his rescuebag and pistol. Hi must be find his way out from > >hostilearea and get back friendlys. > > I think the author of that book(Broken Eagle) was Richard Tine. Pretty good book. If anybody is interested in Special Forces of different nationalities, try THE NIGHT RAIDERS. It was written by Samauel M. Katz and tells the story of Flotilla 13, Isralie Naval Commandoes. Pretty useful if you're running a campaign in the Mid-east. Grady. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:36:37 EST From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: New scenario idea In a message dated 98-02-23 01:59:30 EST, you write: >Tell me what you think about this? Sounds good to me. Actually I have run a game set in 1997 with the same type scenario, except that I had 3 players (F-16 pilot, USAF rescue chopper pilot, and his crewman[the last 2 being the only ones who survived when the rescue chopper was shot down]). It was quite fun. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:36:49 EST From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: against RPGs In a message dated 98-02-23 11:51:50 EST, you write: >Does somebody know any www-sites, where I could find some text against >RPGs? I am doing a little schoolproject and I need a second opinion. >(One opinion I have :) ). Text don't have to be big, maybe few pages... > > Goto some christain sites. You know the Christians, the tolerant religion of love that brought you the Spanish Inquisition......................... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:36:24 EST From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello/.50 cal Sniper Rifle stats? In a message dated 98-02-22 19:20:59 EST, you write: >Price (T2K): $2200 (Rare/unavailable)* (M82A1 & A2) > $1800 (unavailable/unavailable)*(M90) >*(WITH contacts/WITHOUT contacts) ? Not following you here......... I always thought the availiblity codes in twilight refered to the Nato/WP. If you were Nato, you used the code on the left of the slash, WP on the right of the slash. I thought using contacts for equipment prices were for Merc 2000. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:30:11 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: Hello/.50 cal Sniper Rifle stats? At 07:36 24/02/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-02-22 19:20:59 EST, you write: > >>Price (T2K): $2200 (Rare/unavailable)* (M82A1 & A2) >> $1800 (unavailable/unavailable)*(M90) > >>*(WITH contacts/WITHOUT contacts) > > >? >Not following you here......... >I always thought the availiblity codes in twilight refered to the Nato/WP. If >you were Nato, you used the code on the left of the slash, WP on the right of >the slash. >I thought using contacts for equipment prices were for Merc 2000. Unless I've read the Twilight 2.2 rules book wrong, the codes are the same... hang on a brace... Mea Culpa. Fucked up again . OK. Amend Price (T2K) codes to match the main rules. Merc availability codes remain the same format! Thanks for the heads-up! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger (Soon to be re-licenced as a Class 'B' UK Radio Amateur, call sign G1LIW) MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1998 #12 ************************************