twilight2000-digest Friday, February 13 1998 Volume 1998 : Number 009 The following topics are covered in this digest: Books for Sale Re: T2K web Ring: Up-to-date list of URLs? Re: T2K web Ring: Up-to-date list of URLs? Re: T2K web Ring: Up-to-date list of URLs? INTSUM SITE UPDATE - 11 Feb 1998 INTSUM update - second in two days - oops! V-22 T2K WebRing: New Site (almost) T2K WebRing: New Site (still under constuction) Maybe there IS hope Re: V-22 Re: T2K WebRing: New Site (almost) Loren Wiseman, Re: Loren Wiseman, Re: Loren Wiseman, Re: T2K WebRing: New Site (still under constuction) INTSUM update - third in three days - MEGA oops! Re: INTSUM update - third in three days - MEGA oops! Re: Loren Wiseman, Re: Loren Wiseman, Re: T2K WebRing: New Site (still under constuction) Re: INTSUM update - third in three days - MEGA oops! Re: Russians Re: INTSUM update - third in three days - MEGA oops! Re: INTSUM update - third in three days - MEGA oops! Re Grady's question and Saul's answer Re: INTSUM update - third in three days - MEGA oops! T2k Webring Re: Re Grady's question and Saul's answer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:01:22 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Books for Sale Hello everyone, I found this site just a moment ago: http://www.nandi.com/~gdm/tw2k.html Selling some books... Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:00:32 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: T2K web Ring: Up-to-date list of URLs? Saul Basgen wrote: > > Here is the current listing of all the Twilight: 2000 'web ring' > sites: > > http://www.humanwaredesign.com/t2k/ Mitch Berg's page, on character > generation. > http://www.techrefuge.com/hector/ Chris Callahan's page. > http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/6346 Daniel Cooper's > page on adventures. > http://members.aol.com/OrrinLadd/index.html Orrin Ladd's PBEM (Play By > E-Mail) page > http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html Roger Stenning's INTSUM page, > with emphasis Merc: 2000 > http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-18340/games/merc/ Niklas Svensson's Merc: > 2000 Special Ops page. > http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/t2k.htm Peter Vieth's page, on vehicles. > http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html Saul Basgen's page > Some people have complained of not being able to get to my t2k web page... this is because it used the .htm extension instead of .html so as of now I changed it to html - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:14:19 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: T2K web Ring: Up-to-date list of URLs? At 19:52 10/02/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Here is the current listing of all the Twilight: 2000 'web ring' sites: > >http://www.humanwaredesign.com/t2k/ Mitch Berg's page, on character generation. >http://www.techrefuge.com/hector/ Chris Callahan's page. >http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/6346 Daniel Cooper's page on >adventures. >http://members.aol.com/OrrinLadd/index.html Orrin Ladd's PBEM (Play By >E-Mail) page >http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html Roger Stenning's INTSUM page, with >emphasis Merc: 2000 >http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-18340/games/merc/ Niklas Svensson's Merc: 2000 >Special Ops page. >http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/t2k.htm Peter Vieth's page, on vehicles. >http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html Saul Basgen's page > >I am always endeavouring to keep my links page up to date on new Twilight >'ring member' and other Twilight related sites: > >http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight/Miscellanious/TwiLinks.html > >Saul Saul - Many thanks! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating (Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook): URL: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:32:08 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: T2K web Ring: Up-to-date list of URLs? At 23:00 10/02/98 -0800, you wrote: >Some people have complained of not being able to get to my t2k web >page... this is because it used the .htm extension instead of .html so >as of now I changed it to html > >-- >Peter Vieth Thanks, Peter - I'll note that in the listing when it's up. Cheers. _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating (Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook): URL: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:23:56 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: INTSUM SITE UPDATE - 11 Feb 1998 Hi folks! OK; I've just uploaded the latset update to the INTSUM site (URL in signature strip, below). New items include the addition of the Twilight Web Ring and quick link finder for the web ring, utilising some javascript. If you can't, or don't use java and/or javascript-enabled browsers (Netscape 2.x+ and IE 3.x+ are able to use this), then just go to the links page, which has also been updated with this information, in a conventional links format. Coming soon... new aircraft for Twilight:2000/Merc:2000, courtesy of Chris Brody ( cbrody02@Centaur.CC.PurdueNC.Edu ), who has kindly consented to me hosting these on the World Wide Web, once he's fully published them on the Twilight:2000 mailing list. Since thre's a LOT, it may take a while to prepare and load these aircraft to INTSUM! Any links which are unfollowable, or images which do not load, should be notified to me at the above e-mail address, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Thanks. Later! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating (Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook): URL: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:44:59 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: INTSUM update - second in two days - oops! Hi, guys - OOPS! Made a mistake, and left off a couple of pages. The newly updated site (and what's new page) is fully now up. Enjoy! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating (Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook): URL: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:49:24 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: V-22 Does the air and nautical guide include the V-22 Osprey? - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:39:27 -0500 From: Derek Klein Subject: T2K WebRing: New Site (almost) Greetings all: After a few weeks of lurking and browsing everybody else's sites, I too have decided to throw my hat into the web ring. I've played Twilight 2000 since it first came out. I think it is fantastic that the game still has the kind of support I see on this list. My site will mostly serve as a repository for variations on the Twilight rules that I have created on my own and compiled from various sources over the last 13 years. When I find the time, I hope to eventually add source material for a campaign set on the Alaskan Front. Be advised that none of the links are currently active. I got the disclaimer info off of Roger's INTSUM page. If there is no objection I'd also like to link to the rest of your pages, and please feel free to reciprocate. I think it can be viewed in both Netscape and IE versions 4.0 (not sure about earlier). So check it out and please don't be timid about offering feedback, constructive or otherwise. The Unofficial Twilight: 2000 (Version 3.01) Home Page: http://home.att.net/~derek.klein/Twilight/index.html Thanks, Derek Klein ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:43:18 -0500 From: Derek Klein Subject: T2K WebRing: New Site (still under constuction) Greetings all: After a few weeks of lurking and browsing everybody else's sites, I too have decided to throw my hat into the web ring. I've played Twilight 2000 since it first came out. I think it is fantastic that the game still has the kind of support I see on this list. My site will mostly serve as a repository for variations on the Twilight rules that I have created on my own and compiled from various sources over the last 13 years. When I find the time, I hope to eventually add source material for a campaign set on the Alaskan Front. Be advised that none of the links are currently active. I got the disclaimer info off of Roger's INTSUM page. If there is no objection I'd also like to link to the rest of your pages, and please feel free to reciprocate. I think it can be viewed in both Netscape and IE versions 4.0 (not sure about earlier). So check it out and please don't be timid about offering feedback, constructive or otherwise. The Unofficial Twilight: 2000 (Version 3.01) Home Page: http://home.att.net/~derek.klein/Twilight/index.html Thanks, Derek Klein ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 02:14:00 -0500 From: Derek Klein Subject: Maybe there IS hope I found this on UseNet last night. If Tantalus has finally disposed of its stranglehold on one of it's old GDW licenses that may bode well for our group. I always thought that Dark Conspiracy was a neat concept, although I by far prefer Twilight/Merc. Derek 10 February, 1998 * * * FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE * * * Archangel Entertainment To Publish Dark Conspiracy Next Edition Archangel Entertainment ( an adventure game publisher) announced today that it has concluded an agreement to publish the next edition of DARK CONSPIRACY, the award winning near-future horror/sci-fi game system designed by Lester Smith. Originally released in 1992 by the now defunct Game Designers¹ Workshop, DARK CONSPIRACY has continued to attract players and devotees in print and on the web. Ken Whitman, president of Archangel Entertainment, noted ³When I first read through DARK CONSPIRACY, it gave me the creeps. I started pursuing the license the next day.² Archangel Entertainment is joined in this project by Lester Smith, the award winning original designer of Dark Conspiracy; he commented ³"GDW knew my passion for horror games, so it didn't take much to talk me into designing one. I threw myself into DARK CONSPIRACY, heart and soul, and nurtured the line with fiendish love. I'm excited to see it coming back into print!"³ DARK CONSPIRACY originally appeared in 12 products and modules. Archangel plans to revise the game system into a DARK CONSPIRACY REFEREE¹S GUIDE (256 pages, $20) and a DARK CONSPIRACY PLAYER¹S HANDBOOK (256 pages, $20) in May of 1998 followed by three follow-on modules by the end of the year. DARK CONSPIRACY is a trademark of Dark Conspiracy Enterprises. For More information, contact Ken Whitman, 414-248-7189, 414-249-9456 (fax), or archangel@archangelent.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:34:10 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: V-22 At 19:49 12/02/98 -0800, you wrote: >Does the air and nautical guide include the V-22 Osprey? > >-- >Peter Vieth Yes. here's the data set... **************START QUOTE******************* CV-22 Osprey Merc:2000 price: $750,000 (R/C) Twilight:2000 price: $2,000,000 (R/-) Armament: 4 x AIM-9, 30mm 3-barreled autocannon (SpecOps version) Ammo: 500x30mm autocannon (SpecOps version) Fuel type: AvG Load: 9 tons (Internal, with up to 4.5 tons slung at expense of internal load) Veh Wt: 24 tons Crew: 2 + 24 (or 16 paratroops) (special ops); 3 + 24 (Troop transport/rescue missions) Mnt: 12 Runway: Primitive Min. runway, Takeoff / Land: 16/16 m VSTOL (550/600 m in conventional mode) Tr Move: 2020 Com move: 50 Fuel Cap: 6215 Fuel Cons: 2050 Combat Equipment IR Suppression, integral chaff and flare dispensers. Special operations version has FLIR in addition. CV-22 Osprey (Fixed Wing Aircraft) The CV-22 is an American-build, tilt-rotor, VSTOL aircraft, which was adopted as an assault helicopter substitute by the USMC in the early 1990s, and put to use by the US Air Force and US Coarst Guard as an air-sea rescue craft. Capable of takeoff in either VTO mode (only two-thirds cargo capacity can be carried VTO), the Osprey can later flip its wings down and fly like a conventional fixed-wing craft. No ejection seats are provided. In-flight refuelling is possible through a nose probe. Rescue models have a hoist over the forward cabin door (250 kilogram capacity) for lifting peopla aboard and into the cabin. The Osprey has a forward cabin door suitaable for paratroopers, a rear cargo ramp, and provisions for a cargo hook for slung loads. The Osprey can carry a slung load (up to 4.5 tons) at half its speed in VTO mode, but NOT in regular flight mode. A flexible fuel bladder capable of carrying up to 8000 kilograms of fuel can be installed at the expense of the cargo. The troop carrier variant is unarmed, but the special operations version has a 3-barrel 30mm gatling autocannon, and 4 (four) AIM-9L sidewinder missiles. ***************END QUOTE******************** There y'go, mate. Hope that helps! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating (Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook): URL: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:02:50 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: T2K WebRing: New Site (almost) At 00:39 13/02/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Greetings all: > >After a few weeks of lurking and browsing everybody else's sites, I too >have decided to throw my hat into the web ring. > >I've played Twilight 2000 since it first came out. I think it is fantastic >that the game still has the kind of support I see on this list. > >My site will mostly serve as a repository for variations on the Twilight >rules that I have created on my own and compiled from various sources over >the last 13 years. When I find the time, I hope to eventually add source >material for a campaign set on the Alaskan Front. > >Be advised that none of the links are currently active. I got the >disclaimer info off of Roger's INTSUM page. If there is no objection I'd >also like to link to the rest of your pages, and please feel free to >reciprocate. Nice cover. Haven't I seen it elsewhere? >I think it can be viewed in both Netscape and IE versions 4.0 (not sure >about earlier). So check it out and please don't be timid about offering >feedback, constructive or otherwise. Aside from the lack of content, there's not a lot to add; I liked the touch with the rotating globe (nicked from the spooks at cia.gov, I notice!). The scanned image of T2K 2.2 is well done as well, but I think that's been done on another site as well. >The Unofficial Twilight: 2000 (Version 3.01) Home Page: > > http://home.att.net/~derek.klein/Twilight/index.html It'll be interesting to se what you put there. I won't link it just yet, as there's nothing there bar the cover, but please keep me appraised of the status of the updates you make, when you make 'em. All in all, a bit plagiarised, but there's no harm in that. I'llreserve fuller comment until you've populated the site a bit more. Good first attempt, though. If the content quality matches the layout/presentation, you'll have a kicking site, there. Keep it up. _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating (Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook): URL: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:22:48 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Loren Wiseman, I'm not sure whether Loren subscribes to this list or not, but this question is for her or someone else who might be able to answer it as well. I have put up some (long overdue) information/tribute to the folks at GDW. A great many people put thier backs into making this game possible- and simply mentioning those letters does not grant them the tribute they rightfully deserve. It is my hope to find some history on GDW, as detailed as whoever knows it would like to give. Hitherto, I have listed only the very little information that I do know. Thank you for you're time. Regards, Saul Basgen - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:18:39 -0500 From: bell029@ibm.net Subject: Re: Loren Wiseman, Saul Basgen wrote: > > I'm not sure whether Loren subscribes to this list or not, but this > question is for her or someone else who might be able to answer it as well. > I have put up some (long overdue) information/tribute to the folks at GDW. > A great many people put thier backs into making this game possible- and > simply mentioning those letters does not grant them the tribute they > rightfully deserve. > It is my hope to find some history on GDW, as detailed as whoever knows it > would like to give. Hitherto, I have listed only the very little > information that I do know. > Thank you for you're time. > > Regards, > > Saul Basgen > > ---- > http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html > http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html Saul, This is Grady. I'm one of the silent members of the list. I was curious what you think about Russian threats against the US if we take action against Iraq? Personally, I believe that we can never trust the Russians, and we should be more wary of a few of our Allies. Drop me a line and lwt me know what you think. Later. Grady. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:16:48 EST From: DustyLV769@aol.com Subject: Re: Loren Wiseman, In a message dated 2/13/98 9:11:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, musides@earthlink.net writes: << I'm not sure whether Loren subscribes to this list or not, but this question is for her or someone else who might be able to answer it as well. >> Loren Wiseman is currently working for Steve Jackson Games, heading the GURPS: Traveller project for them. He has an AOL account that he can be reached at: GDWGAMES@aol.com Ed Jenkins (DustyLV769@aol.com) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:37:35 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: T2K WebRing: New Site (still under constuction) Derek Klein wrote: > > Greetings all: > > After a few weeks of lurking and browsing everybody else's sites, I too > have decided to throw my hat into the web ring. > > I've played Twilight 2000 since it first came out. I think it is fantastic > that the game still has the kind of support I see on this list. > > My site will mostly serve as a repository for variations on the Twilight > rules that I have created on my own and compiled from various sources over > the last 13 years. When I find the time, I hope to eventually add source > material for a campaign set on the Alaskan Front. > > Be advised that none of the links are currently active. I got the > disclaimer info off of Roger's INTSUM page. If there is no objection I'd > also like to link to the rest of your pages, and please feel free to > reciprocate. > > I think it can be viewed in both Netscape and IE versions 4.0 (not sure > about earlier). So check it out and please don't be timid about offering > feedback, constructive or otherwise. > > The Unofficial Twilight: 2000 (Version 3.01) Home Page: > > http://home.att.net/~derek.klein/Twilight/index.html > > Thanks, > > Derek Klein Heheh i see you liked my layout - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:43:45 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: INTSUM update - third in three days - MEGA oops! Hi, guys - MEGA OOPS! Made ANOTHER mistake, and left off a major update page. The newly updated site (and the New Weapons page) is fully now up. NOW you can enjoy! Later! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger (Licenced Class 'B' UK Radio Amateur, call sign G1LIW) MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:28:57 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: INTSUM update - third in three days - MEGA oops! >The newly updated site (and the New Weapons page) is fully now up. > >NOW you can enjoy! KAPPAABZ's name is Chris. That is an insanely detailed hit chart, but good at times... couldn't use it with MG firing, but on sniping, it'd be good fun. Could you explain the < tags? On my browser (Navigator 4.04) you're top frame has a good deal of empty space. The frame size is fixed, so I can't resize it. I'm on a 1280 x 1024 res, so it doesn't bother me, but those 800 x 600 fellows might find this difficult... Just two cents here, that yellow and purple.... hmmm.... Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:34:15 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: Loren Wiseman, > Saul, > This is Grady. I'm one of the silent members of the list. I was >curious what you think about Russian threats against the US if we take >action against Iraq? Personally, I believe that we can never trust the >Russians, and we should be more wary of a few of our Allies. Drop me a >line and lwt me know what you think. Later. > Grady. All things aside, I always enjoy seeing other people standing up to America. The more the better. It seems that America forgot that war is bad.... so many (many, many) lives were given in exchange for those high American imperialists to learn that war may not be good... when, all over again, the wheels turn... - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:34:38 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: Loren Wiseman, >Loren Wiseman is currently working for Steve Jackson Games, heading the GURPS: >Traveller project for them. He has an AOL account that he can be reached at: >GDWGAMES@aol.com > >Ed Jenkins (DustyLV769@aol.com) Thanks Ed. I had that address some time ago, but lost it. Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:30:26 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: T2K WebRing: New Site (still under constuction) >> The Unofficial Twilight: 2000 (Version 3.01) Home Page: >> >> http://home.att.net/~derek.klein/Twilight/index.html >> >> Thanks, >> >> Derek Klein > >Heheh i see you liked my layout Isn't imitation supposed to be the highest form of flattery :) Derek, please let us know when you get some information up. Thanks. Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:03:25 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: INTSUM update - third in three days - MEGA oops! Roger Stenning wrote: > > Hi, guys - > > MEGA OOPS! > > Made ANOTHER mistake, and left off a major update page. > > The newly updated site (and the New Weapons page) is fully now up. > > NOW you can enjoy! > > > > Later! > It would be good to be able to resize the top frame... I'm using 1024x768 and I also can barely read the links in it. They look like they are 6 point size - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:54:09 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Russians > > http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html > Saul, > This is Grady. I'm one of the silent members of the list. I was > curious what you think about Russian threats against the US if we take > action against Iraq? Personally, I believe that we can never trust the > Russians, and we should be more wary of a few of our Allies. Drop me a > line and lwt me know what you think. Later. > Grady. I don't think Russia is too much of a threat anymore-- it seems unlikely that they would risk any overt conflict with the U.S, although they might supply Iraq with supplies. I think we should be trying to figure out what Saddam is up to. Iraq had a good chance of winning in the previous war but they couldn't have built up their military yet (lets hope). He's crazy but is he that stupid? I, personally, would like to know what the Chinese are up to. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:18:10 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: INTSUM update - third in three days - MEGA oops! At 12:28 13/02/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>The newly updated site (and the New Weapons page) is fully now up. >> >>NOW you can enjoy! > > KAPPAABZ's name is Chris. That is an insanely detailed hit chart, but >good at times... couldn't use it with MG firing, but on sniping, it'd be >good fun. Thanks. I'll note his name on the next update. I'm not really surprised on MG use, as you'd have to do a hellish amount of rolling, but for those rulesplayers amongst us, the hit cahrt that Chris has concocted is a bloody godsend - it keeps them ovccupied for ages, while the rest of us get on with the (not-so-serious) art of Role Playing! > Could you explain the tags? The tag is not a requirement of HTML 4.0; The tag I've used notes the page as an HTML 4.0 compliant page, since the use of frames is now recognised by HTML4.0 following acceptance of the specification by the W3C. For a fuller explanation, I'd suggest the HTML Library. Check out the following URL, and look for the WWW Resources page. Links there should lead you to it's site. http://www.hwg.org/ > On my browser (Navigator 4.04) you're top frame has a good deal of empty >space. The frame size is fixed, so I can't resize it. I'm on a 1280 x 1024 >res, so it doesn't bother me, but those 800 x 600 fellows might find this >difficult... I designed the site on an 800x600 screen, with that in mind. Thanks for the concern, though. > Just two cents here, that yellow and purple.... hmmm.... Well, I think it works, but if I get more adverse comments, I'll seriously conmsider changing it to something else. Couple of questions for you, now, mate: Were there any images that failed to load for you, and how did you like the content? Later! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger (Licenced Class 'B' UK Radio Amateur, call sign G1LIW) MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:41:44 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: INTSUM update - third in three days - MEGA oops! At 13:03 13/02/98 -0800, you wrote: >Roger Stenning wrote: >> >> Hi, guys - >> >> MEGA OOPS! >> >> Made ANOTHER mistake, and left off a major update page. >> >> The newly updated site (and the New Weapons page) is fully now up. >> >> NOW you can enjoy! >> >> >> >> Later! >> > >It would be good to be able to resize the top frame... I'm using >1024x768 and I also can barely read the links in it. They look like they >are 6 point size Thanks for the critique. I'll fix that next update. _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger (Licenced Class 'B' UK Radio Amateur, call sign G1LIW) MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:44:28 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re Grady's question and Saul's answer Saul Basgen wrote: > > > Saul, > > This is Grady. I'm one of the silent members of the list. I was > >curious what you think about Russian threats against the US if we take > >action against Iraq? Personally, I believe that we can never trust the > >Russians, and we should be more wary of a few of our Allies. Drop me a > >line and lwt me know what you think. Later. > > Grady. > > All things aside, I always enjoy seeing other people standing up to > America. The more the better. It seems that America forgot that war is > bad.... so many (many, many) lives were given in exchange for those high > American imperialists to learn that war may not be good... when, all over > again, the wheels turn... > > ---- > http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/home.html Huh? Sometimes you have to fight. Is war "bad?" I think the issue is "what is the point of the war?" None of us can deny that sometimes there must be war. Saddam is not standing up to America for any noble cause. Is massacring Kurds and invading and killing your neighbors a noble cause? Saddam is merely another self-serving dictator, like Castro, Kim Il Sung, Hitler, and like Lenin and his successors. America did not lose lives to "imperialist" ambitions but to a deranged tyrant, and it was certainly less than was lost by Iraq to Iran, to Stalin's paranoia, and the countless other lives lost to the other crazy nationalist/socialist/communist leaders who claim(ed) to work for the good of those they oppress(ed). I am sometimes glad to see anyone standing up to some established person or group, but there is a difference between being a defiant innocent and a defiant criminal. America punishes criminals. Is Saddam hiding weapons in palaces? I don't think so. But he has shown little discretion in his use of chemical weapons in the past and since he lost the war he is in no place to dictate terms to the winners. Perhaps I read you wrong, but listen to my rant: There was one main motivating reason for my family's flight to the West: Communism. While thousands of people tried to flee and millions more dreamed of escaping the prison called the Soviet Union, how many outside it were and are so enamoured of the former Soviet Union, that wonderful classless society? The thousands of sheep who continue to see the illusion rather than the reality of the magician's trick, those who are too blinded by the garish glitter of it to notice the deception of the swindler. The communist leaders were criminals, like pickpockets or rapists, on a larger scale. The genius of communism is that the person being robbed doesn't always know it, especially that the thief is their "friend." I guess then that sheep can be the devil's advocate too. Under who can you make a pittance working your entire life, live in a house the size of a bedroom elsewhere, fear death for what you say, and never leave? Its either the warden of a prison or a General Secretary, if there is a difference. Of course, under Communism everyone gets raped. You write on your page: "I did have the fortune of learning about the Soviet Union, however. It was very important that my classmates and I were taught who makes our stomachs turn more than any American possibly could. We ignored Glasnos[t] and Perestrokia, learned that Gorbachev was not a man of peace, but instead a weak man, seeking to buy time for his weak people. In my last year of high school Yuri Gagarin and Sputnik were mentioned (while watching a video on American space exploration). They taught my comrades and I about Mir, only after the Soviet Union fell, explaining that the cosmonauts were trapped, without a home. I did learn about the revolts in the Soviet Union and the machine guns they pointed at their people every day. I learned that they hated all people, even their own. I was taught that the peoples of this country had no freedom or values; they were parasites seeking world domination. I was also told that they couldn't practice religion, but no one mentioned that their women were allowed to file for divorce and hold political office since 1918. They made sure my classmates and I understood that the Soviet Union had few scientists, and a very poor educational system- they stole everything that America created. I was not taught that all people in the country were equal, but instead that they all drove the same car, had the same clothes, and I even came to the impression that they all looked the same as well." Viktor Suvorov, disinformation or not, was right on this also. The Soviet Union did not need to send a single soldier into a country to control it. All the proof is here. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:37:59 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: INTSUM update - third in three days - MEGA oops! At 21:18 13/02/98 +0000, I wrote: >The tag is not a requirement of HTML 4.0; The tag I've used >notes the page as an HTML 4.0 compliant page, since the use of frames is >now recognised by HTML4.0 following acceptance of the specification by the >W3C. For a fuller explanation, I'd suggest the HTML Library. Check out the >following URL, and look for the WWW Resources page. Links there should lead >you to it's site. http://www.hwg.org/ AHEM! Typo time... that SHOULD read: "...The tag is _NOW_ a requirement of HTML 4.0..." Sorry about that! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger (Licenced Class 'B' UK Radio Amateur, call sign G1LIW) MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk Main RPG homepages, incorporating Millennium's End London E-Sourcebook: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ INTSUM Twilight:2000 website: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ UIN: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:27:03 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: T2k Webring On the note of updates, I have followed suit over the past few days. Comments, as always, are welcome. Saul http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:30:26 EST From: Pmj6@aol.com Subject: Re: Re Grady's question and Saul's answer In a message dated 98-02-13 21:11:34 EST, you write: << None of us can deny that sometimes there must be war. Saddam is not standing up to America for any noble cause. Is massacring Kurds and invading and killing your neighbors a noble cause? Saddam is merely another self-serving dictator, like Castro, Kim Il Sung, Hitler, and like Lenin and his successors. America did not lose lives to "imperialist" ambitions but to a deranged tyrant, and it was certainly less than was lost by Iraq to Iran, to Stalin's paranoia, and the countless other lives lost to the other crazy nationalist/socialist/communist leaders who claim(ed) to work for the good of those they oppress(ed). I am sometimes glad to see anyone standing up to some established person or group, but there is a difference between being a defiant innocent and a defiant criminal. America punishes criminals. >> Of course, America did not hurry to punish this particular criminal as long as he was doing our dirty work for us by invading Iran. Let's not forget he acquired and used chemical weapons against the Kurds in 1980's, another words during Reagan and Bush administrations. None of the atrocities he committed back then caused embargos, airstrikes, or even prevented congressional delegations from beating a path to his door and Bob Dole from proclaiming that Saddam Hussein was someone we could do business with. It is a height of hypocrisy for us to pretend to take the moral high ground right now, when we were guilty of doing exactly the same thing that we accuse the Russians and the French of doing right now. If any more of our troops die it is only because of our own shortsighted and hypocritical foreign policy in the Middle East. We allowed Saddam to become who he is right now because it suited our ends, pure and simple. Mike Jasinski ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1998 #9 ***********************************