twilight2000-digest Thursday, February 5 1998 Volume 1998 : Number 006 The following topics are covered in this digest: re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook T2k Webring: more on the combobox T2k Webring: Java in logo Re: Product list... Re: T2k WebRing Log T2k web ring: Java Combobox on logo t2k web ring: Combo demo Re: T2k Webring/Test of the list Re: T2k web ring: Java Combobox on logo T2K WEBRING: Code for HTML combobox method attached Re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook Re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook Re: Product list... Re: T2k web ring: Java Combobox on logo Re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook Re: T2K WEBRING: Code for HTML combobox method attached Re: T2K WEBRING: Code for HTML combobox method attached RE: t2k web ring: Combo demo RE: T2k web ring: Java Combobox on logo RE: T2K WEBRING: Code for HTML combobox method attached T2k web ring: OFF TOPIC: Platform independence: basic HTML spec use RE: T2K WEBRING: Code for HTML combobox method attached RE: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook Re: Product list... Re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook Re: T2k pages Was: [Fwd: twilight2000-digest V1996 #69] RE: T2k web ring: OFF TOPIC: Platform independence: basic HTML sp ec use Re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook Re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook T2K Webring: My (small) part Re: T2k pages Was: [Fwd: twilight2000-digest V1996 #69] RE: T2k web ring: OFF TOPIC: Platform independence: basic HTML spec use ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:12:02 -0500 From: Mitchell Schwartz Subject: re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook Chris Brody writes: >If someone is planning on >being so kind as to scan the text (of the RDF sourcebook), >maybe it could be posted on the list >so that all of us unfortunate enough NOT to have it could benefit. I hope you mean "post the location of the file" for downloading, "posted as messages to this mailing list" I'd rather not have that many pages of text (that I am fortunate enough not to need) flooding my account. (It is also an infringement of MPGN's rights, but I am not sure they would notice...) mitch Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing in the tempting place. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) Official: Unofficial: mitch@intersys.com Ted7@world.std.com http://www.intersys.com http://world.std.com/~Ted7 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:56:47 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: T2k Webring: more on the combobox oops i said that you put the logo as the background... i meant you set the background to black for example and put the image in... just put the list under it. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:59:10 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: T2k Webring: Java in logo Well if I had everyone's URLs I'd put the logo w/ java up now... - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:45:26 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Product list... CardSharks@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-02-03 20:18:38 EST, you write: > > << > THE 'Marc Miller'? > > Good God. > > First Loren, now you! Exalted company indeed! Nice to have you with us! > > >> > I thought you knew that I have always been reading this list. > > Marc I think cardsharks threw me off - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:46:31 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: T2k WebRing Log Saul Basgen wrote: > > > Here's something I made last night. I'm not entirely confident that we > all need to have the exact same picture, but instead whatever we would > like, saying: Twilight: 2000 Web Ring, or something to that extent. > Certainly whoever wants to use this is welcome, I would just rather not > wear a straight jacket restricting my choices to thus and thus. > > Saul > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > [Image] Pretty good... Personally I think I'll use both - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:44:12 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: T2k web ring: Java Combobox on logo Roger Stenning wrote: > > At 22:55 03/02/98 -0800, you wrote: > > > Some basic logos are up at: http://members.tripod.com/~Fitek/ideas.html > > They're in JPEG format so they may take a while to d/l (a minute or > >two). > > Cool. I'll give 'em a look. > > > I'll ask my friend about the possibilities of adding a combobox (drop > >down list) onto a logo so a person could see all the sites listed. > > If that's even possible, I'm willing to bet that it's only an InterNot > Exploder feature. Don't, therefore, bother, as it's not a standard within > the HTML 3.0 spec, which is what most modern browsers are set up for; > Additionally, it's NOT a spec within even gif 89a format. Nice idea, > though. Maybe what the technology has caught up with the rest of the net! Actually it has nothing to do with putting any special features in a Gif89a... I asked this morning and all I do is use a table with one cell, set the background to the logo and put a Java combobox on. So all you need is a browser that supports JavaScript (I don't know anyone who uses IE except for pages that have ActiveX). Of course, there would be a way for people who don't even have Javascript support to navigate the pages (like hotspots). - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 16:44:07 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: t2k web ring: Combo demo members.tripod.com/~Fitek/javacombo.html A messy example. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:19:48 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: T2k Webring/Test of the list >Saul, I am interested in participating in the web ring as well, mostly in >small arms. Maybe I sould get in touch with Alan Eaton and collaborate with >him on this sort of thing? > >BTW, can anybody tell me if this is making it to the list? Sounds good. Yes, you're message was received by the list. Let me know you're URL when you get it up and running. Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 01:30:15 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: T2k web ring: Java Combobox on logo At 15:44 04/02/98 -0800, you wrote: >> > I'll ask my friend about the possibilities of adding a combobox (drop >> >down list) onto a logo so a person could see all the sites listed. >> >> If that's even possible, I'm willing to bet that it's only an InterNot >> Exploder feature. Don't, therefore, bother, as it's not a standard within >> the HTML 3.0 spec, which is what most modern browsers are set up for; >> Additionally, it's NOT a spec within even gif 89a format. Nice idea, >> though. Maybe what the technology has caught up with the rest of the net! > > Actually it has nothing to do with putting any special features in a >Gif89a... I asked this morning and all I do is use a table with one >cell, set the background to the logo and put a Java combobox on. > So all you need is a browser that supports JavaScript (I don't know >anyone who uses IE except for pages that have ActiveX). > Of course, there would be a way for people who don't even have >Javascript support to navigate the pages (like hotspots). I looked at it this evening, actually, and a thought occurred, that COULD make it universally acceptable to all browssers, not just Java-enabled ones, or interNot Exploder ones using ActiveX: use an HTML form combobox, with the webring logo as an image, pure and simple. I can work out the code, if you like. It's simple enough; all you need is the know-how (or a good HTML editor ), and the URLs to choose from. _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL (Main RPG homepages): http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ URL (INTSUM Twilight:2000 website): http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 03:11:23 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: T2K WEBRING: Code for HTML combobox method attached - --=====================_886648283==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi guys. Further to the use of a combo box in Java, which I disagree with due to the fact that there are browsers out there that either (a) don't have Java capability, or (b) have the feature switched off, I've attached an simple HTML page, with a demo of the idea I floated. I think you'll find it works fine. Since it's HTML, it's easy to include in your page code, and universal, as it's at HTML2.0 level. The ONLY downside with using this method, rather than a central site with a CGI database, is that every time a new member joins the ring, you have to update your page code, which you don't with a centrally run ring. But that's a minor quibble. I think this is an elegant compromise. How about you? Lemme know what you think. - --=====================_886648283==_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="combo_box_demo.html" T2K webring HTML combobox demo =A91998 Roger Stenning

And there you are. In theory, this should allow you to select the combo= box entry, and then zip off to the location.

Comments?

- --=====================_886648283==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL (Main RPG homepages): http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ URL (INTSUM Twilight:2000 website): http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ - --=====================_886648283==_-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:16:41 EST From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook In a message dated 98-02-04 19:14:01 EST, you write: > > (It is also an infringement of MPGN's rights, but I am not sure they would > notice...) > Already been mentioned. I think Rob is too busy writing what he wants the new DC to look like to care about this, though. I am still waiting for a response to when Tantalus is going to have their twilight web site up, or even if they'd be posting old challenge and Eternal Soldier articles to the web, course it's been months now....... Anybody know if tantalus is sueing Kevin Costner for that Twilight 2000 movie he just put out? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 20:52:26 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook > > Anybody know if tantalus is sueing Kevin Costner for that Twilight 2000 movie > he just put out? I thought the resemblence to Twilight: 2000 was probably not just a coincidence. However, from what I hear from people who have read the book The Postman, Kevin Costner's movie is very different. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:06:31 EST From: CardSharks@aol.com Subject: Re: Product list... In a message dated 98-02-04 19:58:57 EST, you write: << I think cardsharks threw me off >> CardSharks was my trading card game company... we produced Super Deck--- the Super Hero Trading Card Game (for a while at least). Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:42:51 +0000 From: Daniel Cooper Subject: Re: T2k web ring: Java Combobox on logo Peter Vieth wrote: > > Actually it has nothing to do with putting any special features in a > Gif89a... I asked this morning and all I do is use a table with one > cell, set the background to the logo and put a Java combobox on. That's cool! > So all you need is a browser that supports JavaScript (I don't know > anyone who uses IE except for pages that have ActiveX). I just installed IE for that. You don't even need javascript, just put the url as the form's ACTION. > Of course, there would be a way for people who don't even have > Javascript support to navigate the pages (like hotspots). > I think hotspots or a few lines of text are a good idea, just to be safe. > -- > Peter Vieth > Fitek@ix.netcom.com > IGZ Handle: Fitek > ICQ UIN: 3660410 > Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html > Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com > Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse - -- ///////// Daniel Cooper /////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\ cooperd@web2k.com.au \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ //// Web 2K, for your internet research needs ///// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:39:21 -0500 From: bell029@ibm.net Subject: Re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook Peter Vieth wrote: > > > > > Anybody know if tantalus is sueing Kevin Costner for that Twilight 2000 movie > > he just put out? > > I thought the resemblence to Twilight: 2000 was probably not just a > coincidence. However, from what I hear from people who have read the > book The Postman, Kevin Costner's movie is very different. > > -- > Peter Vieth > Fitek@ix.netcom.com > IGZ Handle: Fitek > ICQ UIN: 3660410 > Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html > Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com > Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse I guess that it's about time that I introduce myself. My name is Grady and I've been a silent subscriber for a couple of months now. I think that you gentlemen have done an excellent job of preserving the spirit of the game. And yes, the book by Davis Brin (The Postman) was much better than the movie. If you enjoy Twilight (and I know you do) you'll really like the book. Later. Grady. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:53:45 +0000 From: Daniel Cooper Subject: Re: T2K WEBRING: Code for HTML combobox method attached Roger Stenning wrote: > > Hi guys. > > Further to the use of a combo box in Java, which I disagree with due to the > fact that there are browsers out there that either (a) don't have Java > capability, or (b) have the feature switched off, I've attached an simple > HTML page, with a demo of the idea I floated. > > I think you'll find it works fine. Since it's HTML, it's easy to include in > your page code, and universal, as it's at HTML2.0 level. The ONLY downside > with using this method, rather than a central site with a CGI database, is > that every time a new member joins the ring, you have to update your page > code, which you don't with a centrally run ring. But that's a minor > quibble. I think this is an elegant compromise. How about you? > > Lemme know what you think. > I think that this is problem we can deal with as we encounter it. ALso - I have secured a geocities web site. http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/6346 There is noting there yet but stay tuned. - -- ///////// Daniel Cooper /////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\ cooperd@web2k.com.au \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ //// Web 2K, for your internet research needs ///// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 13:52:44 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: T2K WEBRING: Code for HTML combobox method attached At 17:53 05/02/98 +0000, you wrote: >> I think you'll find it works fine. Since it's HTML, it's easy to include in >> your page code, and universal, as it's at HTML2.0 level. The ONLY downside >> with using this method, rather than a central site with a CGI database, is >> that every time a new member joins the ring, you have to update your page >> code, which you don't with a centrally run ring. But that's a minor >> quibble. I think this is an elegant compromise. How about you? >> >> Lemme know what you think. >> > >I think that this is problem we can deal with as we encounter it. Reckon so. Works for me, anyhow. While I'm planning on adding Java and/or Javascript to one of my sites - if not both - ion the next few months, I'm planning on making sure that the overall effects on the site aren't lost to non-Java/Javascipt users. For you guys who swear by Java/Javascript, my feeling is that a website should be universally accessable. hat means catering to the lowest common denominator, in other words, text-only browsers, of which there are still a great many about. By making the webring java-based, we'd be missing out potential visitors, for technology's sake. For that reason, I'd prefer seeing an HTML-based system. Opinions? >ALso - I have secured a geocities web site. >http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/6346 Way to go! >There is noting there yet but stay tuned. Rest assured - I will! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL (Main RPG homepages): http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ URL (INTSUM Twilight:2000 website): http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:06:53 -0600 From: "Reed DE (David) at MSXSSC" Subject: RE: t2k web ring: Combo demo Peter: > members.tripod.com/~Fitek/javacombo.html > > A messy example. Yeah, IE4 chokes on whatever scripting you used... If I have time later, I'll see if I can make some more constructive observations about your syntax then. ;-) Sorry for no suggestions at the moment. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David Reed Shell Services International 713.245.2656 Infrastructure Technology Services dreed@shellus.com Yea, though I post to the Traveller Mailing List, I will fear no egos. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:32:28 -0600 From: "Reed DE (David) at MSXSSC" Subject: RE: T2k web ring: Java Combobox on logo Peter: > Actually it has nothing to do with putting any special features in a > Gif89a... I asked this morning and all I do is use a table with one > cell, set the background to the logo and put a Java combobox on. > So all you need is a browser that supports JavaScript (I don't know > anyone who uses IE except for pages that have ActiveX). > Of course, there would be a way for people who don't even have > Javascript support to navigate the pages (like hotspots). *snorf* IE4 is the official browser at most sites we support (being a Solutions Developer and IE4 early adopter we committed to rolling out 2000 IE4 desktops in the first 90 days after release), and the use of Netscape was previously banned at some plants for cost/licensing reasons (this may change with the new N$ giveaway program). It's the standard browser that we design our intra/internet webs for, and my personal preference as well (isn't it strange how it got implemented across the enterprise that way, too? ;-). Heh. I guess you know one now... and FWIW, I *loathe* ActiveX, but will program it as needed. Your humble technazi... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David Reed Shell Services International 713.245.2656 Infrastructure Technology Services dreed@shellus.com Yea, though I post to the Traveller Mailing List, I will fear no egos. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:57:05 -0600 From: "Reed DE (David) at MSXSSC" Subject: RE: T2K WEBRING: Code for HTML combobox method attached Roger: [java ommission that I agree with snipped] > I think you'll find it works fine. Since it's HTML, it's easy to include in > your page code, and universal, as it's at HTML2.0 level. The ONLY downside > with using this method, rather than a central site with a CGI database, is > that every time a new member joins the ring, you have to update your page > code, which you don't with a centrally run ring. But that's a minor > quibble. I think this is an elegant compromise. How about you? I'm not sure why y'all don't *want* to create a Webring... Just appoint the most fascist amongst you to maintain the record and list... Is webring.org just another government conspiracy like ICQ, or what? *chuckle* I do like your compromise (as I've used it on pages of my own www.techrefuge.com), but don't deceive yourself -- it's not HTML 2.0 standard except for the form elements, but you omitted a requirement for 2.0 == the submit button; it uses features only available in Javascript 1.1 (the onchange event handler), and many older browsers (N$ 2.0, IE 2.0, Lynx, YourFavoriteLamerSaur, etc.) don't support it. For those folks, you can use the onsubmit event and add a submit button/image and redirect from there so that you maximize the accessibility. I just wish JS 1.0 supported onblur, damnit! Your favorite technazi... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David Reed Shell Services International 713.245.2656 Infrastructure Technology Services dreed@shellus.com Yea, though I post to the Traveller Mailing List, I will fear no egos. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:11:58 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: T2k web ring: OFF TOPIC: Platform independence: basic HTML spec use At 08:32 05/02/98 -0600, you wrote: >*snorf* IE4 is the official browser at most sites we support (being a >Solutions Developer and IE4 early adopter we committed to rolling out 2000 >IE4 desktops in the first 90 days after release), and the use of Netscape >was previously banned at some plants for cost/licensing reasons (this may >change with the new N$ giveaway program). It's the standard browser that we >design our intra/internet webs for, and my personal preference as well >(isn't it strange how it got implemented across the enterprise that way, >too? ;-). Heh. It might interest you to know that of the browsers tracked through my site, about 20% use IE.x... >I guess you know one now... and FWIW, I *loathe* ActiveX, but will program >it as needed. A good rule of thumb for ANY webmaster is platform independence. using platform dependednt features (such as stylesheets, Java, Active X, whatever, means that a certain percentage of visitors either will not be able to utilise the features of your site, or will leave it on seeing any indication that it supprts one or other of the Big Two. For that reason, many people I know use HTML 3.0 spec design principles. This is, I acknowledge, a hoary old chectnut of a subject, but it's close to my heart. The ideal of the Internet is accessibility for all. Using one manufacturers' features over those of another is, in my mind, just falling into a large commercial hole, from which there's very little escape. In doing so, you lose out on potential visitors. And that's something I'm not prepared top accept in my sites. So I use the straight HTML spec features. as and when the other bells and whistles are added to the basic HTML specification by the W3C, THEN I'll use them,. But only then. I'd be very interested to hears opinions on this. >Your humble technazi... Ten years in PC support, five in HTML... OK, I'm not too humble either ! >Yea, though I post to the Traveller Mailing List, I will fear no egos. LOL! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL (Main RPG homepages): http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ URL (INTSUM Twilight:2000 website): http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:20:17 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: RE: T2K WEBRING: Code for HTML combobox method attached At 08:57 05/02/98 -0600, you wrote: >Roger: >[java ommission that I agree with snipped] >> I think you'll find it works fine. Since it's HTML, it's easy to include >in >> your page code, and universal, as it's at HTML2.0 level. The ONLY downside >> with using this method, rather than a central site with a CGI database, is >> that every time a new member joins the ring, you have to update your page >> code, which you don't with a centrally run ring. But that's a minor >> quibble. I think this is an elegant compromise. How about you? > >I'm not sure why y'all don't *want* to create a Webring... Just appoint the >most fascist amongst you to maintain the record and list... Is webring.org >just another government conspiracy like ICQ, or what? *chuckle* LOL! I'm not sure about keeping ICQ, as it happens; It was played to me as being the next best thing to e-mail, IRC, and a shed load of other things, all rolled into one. Thus far, no-one's made use of it to contact me ... AND it's taking up valuable space on my drive. At the end of the free evaluation period, unless it's proven it's worth to me, it goes. >I do like your compromise (as I've used it on pages of my own >www.techrefuge.com), but don't deceive yourself -- it's not HTML 2.0 >standard except for the form elements, but you omitted a requirement for 2.0 >== the submit button; it uses features only available in Javascript 1.1 (the >onchange event handler), and many older browsers (N$ 2.0, IE 2.0, Lynx, >YourFavoriteLamerSaur, etc.) don't support it. For those folks, you can use >the onsubmit event and add a submit button/image and redirect from there so >that you maximize the accessibility. I just wish JS 1.0 supported onblur, >damnit! DAMN! You'r right! I've been buzzing about Java, HTML, and Delphi so much of late, I must be getting soft in the head! Time for me to use the stress reduction kit... (Draw a cirle on a piece of paper. Attach the paper to a SOLID surface. Hit your forehead within the circle - HARD - until the stress disappears, or you loose conciousness. It amounts to the same thing). Thanks for point in that out, mate... ~*&^%$£* - BUGGER! THAT HURT! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL (Main RPG homepages): http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ URL (INTSUM Twilight:2000 website): http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:48:07 -0600 From: "Reed DE (David) at MSXSSC" Subject: RE: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook MPGN and copywrong... > I am still waiting for a response to when Tantalus is going to have their > twilight web site up, or even if they'd be posting old challenge and Eternal > Soldier articles to the web, course it's been months now....... Anyone volunteer to help them do it? Anyone give them a biz proposal to maintain the site for a pittance or two? Glad I thought of it -- hey, Rob, need a ronin-webmaster? ;-) > Anybody know if tantalus is sueing Kevin Costner for that Twilight 2000 movie > he just put out? Good idea. The T$R School of Public Relations strikes again! How was the _Postman_ by the way? I haven't had time to see it yet. Been meaning to. What they could do instead, though, is license _Postman_ as a T2k adventure and have some hack like me turn out the 128-page source book. Hey, Rob, how many pennies per word? Who do I send the query? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David Reed Shell Services International 713.245.2656 Infrastructure Technology Services dreed@shellus.com Yea, though I post to the Traveller Mailing List, I will fear no egos. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:33:49 -0800 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: Product list... Twilight2K@aol.com wrote: > > How can I get copies? I have everything produced for T2K in the US and am > very interested in getting these items. > TRR Likewise, I too am very interested in these items ... Cbrody ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:19:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeffrey P. Cherpeski" Subject: Re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook I read "The Postman" by David Brin. Pretty bleak. At least Costner's movie was a little less depressing. The two were only similar in title. ===================== Jeff Cherpeski cherpesk@scs.unr.edu Carson City, Nevada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:02:56 -0800 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: T2k pages Was: [Fwd: twilight2000-digest V1996 #69] Gimme a shout if you want to see > annything there - it'll cater mostly for MERC, rather than Twilight, as > most of the players I've met play that, perferring a more rosy future for > mankind! > > Nevertheless - give me your ideas, folks. I'll try to post 'em on the site, > when it comes up. > > Areas on the site will include, but are NOT limitted to: Equipment, > weapons, tactics for (the less militarily-inclined) PCs, adventures, and > area summaries (or 'INTSUMs' - hence the name!). > > Go ahead - make your day! > > _________________________________________________ > Cheers, > > Roger. > Roger, Hello. First, let me apologize for my tardiness in getting this response to you. I am in my third year of college and time is a very precious commodity indeed! I am writing in response to your message for information on weapons and equipment, etc. for Merc: 2000. I have begun work on an aircraft supplement especially for players/refs in the Merc: 2000 setting. A couple of monthes ago, I completed my Twilight: 2000 Aircraft Supplement and posted it, in parts, on the list. I am planning on posting my Merc Supplement on the list as well, and hopefully this new information will be valuable for your use. Just letting you know; look for Part I of the Supplement soon! Cbrody ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:40:46 -0600 From: "Reed DE (David) at MSXSSC" Subject: RE: T2k web ring: OFF TOPIC: Platform independence: basic HTML sp ec use Roger: > A good rule of thumb for ANY webmaster is platform independence. using [snip] > For that reason, many people I know use HTML 3.0 spec design principles. Definitely. Style sheets seem to degrade gracefully enough that their use shouldn't cause any problems, and they do enhance design quite a bit. > This is, I acknowledge, a hoary old chectnut of a subject, but it's close [snip] > I'd be very interested to hears opinions on this. I agree wholeheartedly, even though I have been referred to as a minion of the NTChrist. Validate your pages whenever possible (see www.hwg.org for details on how to use a good validator, just ignore their lack of design for their own site ;-). Back to T2k -- anyone have any good, compact EXPLOSIONS that we could use as background sounds for a T2k site? All the explosion .wavs that I can find are huge... *pout* - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David Reed Shell Services International 713.245.2656 Infrastructure Technology Services dreed@shellus.com Yea, though I post to the Traveller Mailing List, I will fear no egos. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:42:36 -0800 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook > > Anybody know if tantalus is sueing Kevin Costner for that Twilight 2000 movie > he just put out? Tee-hee-hee!! That's a good one! :) Cbrody ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:38:48 -0800 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: Requset on the RDF Sourcebook Mitchell Schwartz wrote: > > Chris Brody writes: > > >If someone is planning on > >being so kind as to scan the text (of the RDF sourcebook), > >maybe it could be posted on the list > >so that all of us unfortunate enough NOT to have it could benefit. > > I hope you mean "post the location of the file" for downloading, "posted as > messages to this mailing list" ANY information on this module would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the response! Cbrody ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:06:48 +0100 From: "Niklas Svensson" Subject: T2K Webring: My (small) part Hi everyone, I'm mostly interested in fast action of the MERC:200 Special Ops field, so thats the main area of my pages. I'm going to provide images of targets (both locations and persons), home made b/w sat images, and a few other things like senarios, NPC's etc. The MERC Spec Ops are located at: http://130.244.196.35/~w-18340/merc/ or under the main page (se below) /Niklas - the Swede called: NixxoN E-MAIL: 1st: nixxon@webname.com (max 500kb) 2nd: niklas.svensson@mbox323.swipnet.se (max 5Mb) Hârn WDT: harn@writeme.com (Supplement development for Hârn) WarLords: warlords@mail.org (Gaming group) WEB HOMES: Personal: http://130.244.196.35/~w-18340/ HWDT HQ: http://w1.111.telia.com/~u11102991/ (not online yet) WarLords HQ: http://130.244.196.35/~w-18340/wis/ ICQ # 235699 http://wwp.mirabilis.com/235699 <-page me ! - errare humanum est - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:21:34 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: T2k pages Was: [Fwd: twilight2000-digest V1996 #69] At 11:02 05/02/98 -0800, you wrote: >Roger, > Hello. First, let me apologize for my tardiness in getting this >response to you. I am in my third year of college and time is a very >precious commodity indeed! I am writing in response to your message for >information on weapons and equipment, etc. for Merc: 2000. I have begun >work on an aircraft supplement especially for players/refs in the Merc: >2000 setting. A couple of monthes ago, I completed my Twilight: 2000 >Aircraft Supplement and posted it, in parts, on the list. I am planning >on posting my Merc Supplement on the list as well, and hopefully this >new information will be valuable for your use. Just letting you know; >look for Part I of the Supplement soon! > Cbrody Chris - Thanks for the heads-up. OK if I post (correctly credited to you, of course) the stuff on INTSUM? _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL (Main RPG homepages): http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ URL (INTSUM Twilight:2000 website): http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:24:13 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: RE: T2k web ring: OFF TOPIC: Platform independence: basic HTML spec use At 10:40 05/02/98 -0600, you wrote: >Roger: >> A good rule of thumb for ANY webmaster is platform independence. using >[snip] >> For that reason, many people I know use HTML 3.0 spec design principles. > >Definitely. Style sheets seem to degrade gracefully enough that their use >shouldn't cause any problems, and they do enhance design quite a bit. >hear the falls! ;-> ! >> This is, I acknowledge, a hoary old chectnut of a subject, but it's close >[snip] >> I'd be very interested to hears opinions on this. > >I agree wholeheartedly, even though I have been referred to as a minion of >the NTChrist. Validate your pages whenever possible (see www.hwg.org for >details on how to use a good validator, just ignore their lack of design for >their own site ;-). LOL! I'm planning on visitting their site in the next week - someone else, not on this list, mentioned it to me. Thanks for the confirmation. >Back to T2k -- anyone have any good, compact EXPLOSIONS that we could use as >background sounds for a T2k site? All the explosion .wavs that I can find >are huge... *pout* Well... there _could_ be an "INCOMING!" knockling around somewhere, I suppose, but I'm screwed if I know where to find it! _____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL (Main RPG homepages): http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5037/ URL (INTSUM Twilight:2000 website): http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html ICQ: 7742586 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1998 #6 ***********************************