twilight2000-digest Wednesday, January 7 1998 Volume 1996 : Number 068 The following topics are covered in this digest: List HQ -- Status Update RE: Testing Re: Testing RE: Testing Re: Testing Vehicle conversions Re: Vehicle conversions Re: Vehicle conversions Re: Vehicle conversions Test Re: Test Re: Test Re: Vehicle conversions Re: Test Re: Test Errata PBEM Re: PBEM Re: Errata Re: Test Test... Re: Test... Re: Test... German Industry Getting back in the game. Re: German Industry Re: German Industry Re: Getting back in the game. Re: Getting back in the game. Re: Getting back in the game. Re: Getting back in the game. Re: Getting back in the game. Re: Getting back in the game. Re: Getting back in the game. Re: Getting back in the game. Re: Getting back in the game. Re: Getting back in the game. Re: Getting back in the game. Re: Getting back in the game. Re: Getting back in the game. Re: Getting back in the game. (fwd) Web Server Re: PBEM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:56:10 -0500 From: Rob Miracle Subject: List HQ -- Status Update On Sunday, December 7, our mailing list processor, web page, and ftp archive machine lost a hard drive. We started rebuilding the system, but a series of problems plaguing that box had to be overcome as well as some human errors that we created when trying to restore the drive. We had never restored a full drive before and it was a learning lesson. I am blessed that we haven't had to do that before and I'm glad the software worked well to do it. Its unfortunate that we had to face the learning curve in the middle of a crisis. Our first priority was to get our web server back in operation, since that is our method of getting paying customers and permits us to provide this free service. I am sending this message out for two reasons (well three really): 1. I want to apologize for the outage. I can't say this will never happen again, but if it does, we will be more educated in how to fix it faster. 2. I want to test the lists to make sure they work (and announce to you they are back up, I think) 3. Backups last occurred on Friday before the crash. Any messages still in the mail queue were lost. Any digests produced after Friday are not in the archive and will not be delivered. There is a very good possibility that some of the digests that are bursting now will be duplicates of those already scene. I don't know of a way to fix this one. To the List admins, I don't know if the alias changes I made last week got recorded or not, so some admin traffic may be directed to the wrong place, but I think we are ok there. Rob - -- Rob Miracle Tantalus Inc. Be patient or be a patient. -- Anton Devious ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:16:59 -0500 From: mark h walker Subject: RE: Testing Gee Rob, it worked just great! - -----Original Message----- From: Rob Miracle [SMTP:rwm@MPGN.COM] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 12:40 PM To: Twilight2000@MPGN.COM Subject: Testing This is a test - -- Rob Miracle Tantalus Inc. Be patient or be a patient. -- Anton Devious begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@,2`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ MD 8`L $```$````0`````P``, (````+``\.``````(!_P\!````20`````` M``"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````'1W:6QI9VAT,C P,$!-4$=.+D-/30!3 M3510`'1W:6QI9VAT,C P,$!-4$=.+D-/30`````>``(P`0````4```!33510 M`````!X``S !````%@```'1W:6QI9VAT,C P,$!-4$=.+D-/30````,`%0P! M`````P#^#P8````>``$P`0```!@````G='=I;&EG:'0R,# P0$U01TXN0T]- M)P`"`0LP`0```!L```!33510.E1724Q)1TA4,C P,$!-4$=.+D-/30```P`` M.0`````+`$ Z`0```!X`]E\!````%@```'1W:6QI9VAT,C P,$!-4$=.+D-/ M30````(!]U\!````20````````"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````'1W:6QI M9VAT,C P,$!-4$=.+D-/30!33510`'1W:6QI9VAT,C P,$!-4$=.+D-/30`` M```#`/U?`0````,`_U\``````@'V#P$````$`````````M%0`02 `0`,```` M4D4Z(%1E "@P!0`]0"`'!RV'$R( <3`H!]"H (R&P@.PEO#C U`H * M@76V8P!0"P-C$J(1<$<)X*$'\6(L(&D%0'<%L,)K"8 @:G5S!4 )P7AA="$* MH@J$"H0+,&QX:3,V`4 7( % $U!O#G0%D!#1$K(Q-B M]1PR3P409PN !T % MT >0\'-A9V4<,QEV&T0;$8,+$QM&:2TQ-#0!0'$:D#$X, % #- ?TV+4($8# M83H,@V(10= N 9^\=WQ[J&I0+ MM#09="5 ! #S&! $(&$@&V 8X!E^"H K';8A^CPC$E0`<%-OY0& +@6@;3XN MM0!P`9!#"D $($EN8RX9=$+O%[ *L"O0)($@!;$F,"^!?34E+APA$Y ", (@ M)=%V7FD(8!,@&8D4$0`XL `#`! 0``````,`$1 ``````P" $/____] ``

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Also does anyone know if this game has any hope of being picked up by another company? Sorry if this is all old hat but I am new to the list. scott scotth@aiu.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 04:48:30 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: Vehicle conversions At 21:52 21/12/97 -0600, you wrote: >I own Twilight 2000 ver 2.2 (the last edition published by GDW) and was >wondering if anyone new how much work it is to translate the vehicle >supliments for earlier editions and or what pitfalls I may face in trying to >translate equipment on my own? AFAIK, GDW never published the method they used to develop veh stats, so you may have probs. If anyone else knows differently, feel free to jump right in! >Also does anyone know if this game has any hope of being picked up by >another company? Yeah, the rights to it WERE re-assigned, but for the life of me, I can't remember to whom! Sorry! >Sorry if this is all old hat but I am new to the list. No trouble! I'm just sorry this was a negative report! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours! _________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html _________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:35:36 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Vehicle conversions Scott and Theresa Holden wrote: > > I own Twilight 2000 ver 2.2 (the last edition published by GDW) and was > wondering if anyone new how much work it is to translate the vehicle > supliments for earlier editions and or what pitfalls I may face in trying to > translate equipment on my own? > Also does anyone know if this game has any hope of being picked up by > another company? > > Sorry if this is all old hat but I am new to the list. > > scott > scotth@aiu.net I think there is a section somewhere in the second edition on vehicle conversion. Basically Second Edition vehicles aren't as complex as first Edition-- many armor values were dropped for simplicity. I think you divide the 1st edition armor value by 5 or 3? I'm not sure about this anymore. But I know its written somewhere. I think the game has been picked up by another company, but they haven't done anything with it. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:16:19 -0800 From: Hale Subject: Re: Vehicle conversions Roger Stenning wrote: > > At 21:52 21/12/97 -0600, you wrote: > >I own Twilight 2000 ver 2.2 (the last edition published by GDW) and was > >wondering if anyone new how much work it is to translate the vehicle > >supliments for earlier editions and or what pitfalls I may face in trying to > >translate equipment on my own? > > AFAIK, GDW never published the method they used to develop veh stats, so > you may have probs. If anyone else knows differently, feel free to jump > right in! True and false, they didn't make a book for T2K but they did make a book for TNE called Fire Fusion & Steel. If you can find a copy of it you can use it to create and convert vehicles, & weapons. > Yeah, the rights to it WERE re-assigned, but for the life of me, I can't > remember to whom! Sorry! The company is Tantalus (spl?) they are a software company, and as yet have done nothing with T2K. > >Sorry if this is all old hat but I am new to the list. > No trouble! I'm just sorry this was a negative report! Ditto > Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours! Ditto TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:27:35 -0800 From: Hale Subject: Test I have sent a couple of posts to the T2K list and have not seen them appear in my mail box, so here is a test to all the lists I'm on. TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:47:35 +1030 (CST) From: John Rowe Subject: Re: Test > I have sent a couple of posts to the T2K list and have not seen them > appear in my mail box, so here is a test to all the lists I'm on. > > Ron Hale Yup, came through loud and clear! Cheers John Rowe jtr@adelaide.dialix.oz.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 23:10:50 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: Test At 10:27 23/12/97 -0800, you wrote: >I have sent a couple of posts to the T2K list and have not seen them >appear in my mail box, so here is a test to all the lists I'm on. >TTFN >Ron Hale > > Looks like that's working fine, Ron. Merry Christmas! _________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html _________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:27:18 EST From: KAPPAABZ Subject: Re: Vehicle conversions In a message dated 97-12-22 01:43:52 EST, you write: > I think the game has been picked up by another company, but they haven't > done anything with it. Other than Tantalus? Hmm............... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 04:13:32 +0100 From: slo Subject: Re: Test Roger Stenning wrote: > > At 10:27 23/12/97 -0800, you wrote: > >I have sent a couple of posts to the T2K list and have not seen them > >appear in my mail box, so here is a test to all the lists I'm on. > >TTFN > >Ron Hale > > Got it Merry X-mas Marcin Segit slo@zamosc.ids.edu.pl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 04:21:43 EST From: Orrin Ladd Subject: Re: Test got them on both the MP and TW2k lists, Ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:24:39 +0100 From: slo Subject: Errata Hi! New member here: I'm looking for an errata for TW: 2000 ver 2.2. I think that RPGs' ranges are too long Marcin Segit slo@zamosc.ids.edu.pl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 12:43:00 +1030 (CST) From: John Rowe Subject: PBEM G'day, I'm wondering if there are any T2000 or M2000 PBEMs currently being played that could use an extra player. Alternately, are there are players out there interested in playing (either playing or GMing) a T200 PBEM? Merry Christmas John Rowe jtr@adelaide.dialix.oz.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:30:26 -0800 From: Hale Subject: Re: PBEM John Rowe wrote: > Alternately, are there are players out there interested in playing (either playing or > GMing) a T2K PBEM? I've never PBEM before but I'ld be interested. Also what area of the country are you in, because I'm looking for players for regular games. I'm in Northern California, that is the real Northern CA, Redding is the nearest major population center. TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:32:58 -0800 From: Hale Subject: Re: Errata slo wrote: > New member here: Welcome... > I'm looking for an errata for TW: 2000 ver 2.2. None that I can think of. > I think that RPGs' ranges are too long Couldn't say, don't have my books handy, and can't remember. TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:35:28 -0800 From: Hale Subject: Re: Test Orrin Ladd wrote: > got them on both the MP and TW2k lists, Ron Didn't know that you were a MP fan. You wouldn't by any chance have converted the MARS & SCI 1 vehicles to T2K stats? TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:19:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeffrey P. Cherpeski" Subject: Test... This is a test to see if anyone is even out there... ===================== Jeff Cherpeski cherpesk@scs.unr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:54:04 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: Test... >This is a test to see if anyone is even out there... > > ===================== > Jeff Cherpeski > cherpesk@scs.unr.edu Yes Jeff, there are a great many of us alive and kicking :) Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:16:42 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Callahan Subject: Re: Test... Greetings Jeff: On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Jeffrey P. Cherpeski wrote: > This is a test to see if anyone is even out there... Though there are quite a few people on the list, it is generally fairly quiet. Posting activity is cyclic, and you just happened to subscribe during a quiet period. Feel free to jump in any time... - -C #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# Chris Callahan: hector@techrefuge.com Arclight: http://www.techrefuge.com/hector/ #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# "Americans are so enamoured of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom." --Alexis de Tocqueville ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:23:45 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: German Industry Hello All, Does anyone know the name of the German company that manufactured war materials in WWI, was broken up, then brought back, and again began producing war materials for WWII. It was 'deconstructed' by the Allies again, but is still around and very powerful today. I believe the name is Kaupass, but may have the spelling wrong. I've changed the structure and page layout's of my Twilight: 2000 pages. The address is the same: http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html Acouple of the links are not yet working, but they are being worked on. This redesign is so that I may be able to enter a great deal of information in the future, and organize it so that it is easy to find. Let me know what you think. Thanks. Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:34:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeffrey P. Cherpeski" Subject: Getting back in the game. I used to play TW:2000 way back in High School. I recently was going through some boxes and found all of my stuff. I always liked the game and thought it would be fun to play again. A few questions though? Is there a player directory anywhere to help locate local players? Do people play be e-mail? If so how? Thanks in advance for your assistance. ===================== Jeff Cherpeski cherpesk@scs.unr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:46:51 +1030 (CST) From: John Rowe Subject: Re: German Industry > Does anyone know the name of the German company that manufactured war > materials in WWI, was broken up, then brought back, and again began > producing war materials for WWII. It was 'deconstructed' by the Allies > again, but is still around and very powerful today. I believe the name is > Kaupass, but may have the spelling wrong. Do you mean Krupp perchance? Cheers John Rowe jtr@adelaide.dialix.oz.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:37:30 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: German Industry >Do you mean Krupp perchance? That's the one! Thanks :) Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:36:46 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. >I used to play TW:2000 way back in High School. I recently was going >through some boxes and found all of my stuff. I always liked the game and >thought it would be fun to play again. A few questions though? Is there >a player directory anywhere to help locate local players? Do people play >be e-mail? If so how? > Thanks in advance for your assistance. > > ===================== > Jeff Cherpeski > cherpesk@scs.unr.edu Jeff, Check out Web RPG, this link is where you can find players in you're city, and register yourself in the database. (http://www.webrpg.com/?link=registry/main.html). Insofar as playing by e-mail, I don't know how it's done, but you can check out Orinn Ladd's page: http://members.aol.com/OrrinLadd/index.html Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:45:19 EST From: KAPPAABZ Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. In a message dated 98-01-04 05:10:42 EST, you write: > Is there > a player directory anywhere to help locate local players? Not as far as I know, why not put our cities down (again) in an email, so players can find each other? Chris Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:20:14 -0500 From: Alan Eaton Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. KAPPAABZ wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-04 05:10:42 EST, you write: > > > Is there > > a player directory anywhere to help locate local players? > > Not as far as I know, why not put our cities down (again) in an email, > so > players can find each other? > > Chris > Dallas, TX Sounds good to me. Perhaps one of the listers who has webspace can copy them down and post it? Alan Parma OH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:36:20 EST From: Hruggek Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. Yeah now that is a good idea on writing down the cities, but what about our friends who play twilight or DC in other countrys, I think we should Write down the country we are in as well. Monkey Boy Monkeyville, Monktana Monkey States of Zimbawe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 02:55:04 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. At 20:36 04/01/98 EST, Hruggek wrote the following apparently damn stupid stuff: [SNIP about posting one's city and country] >Monkey Boy >Monkeyville, Monktana >Monkey States of Zimbawe Now I may be getting the wrong end of the stick, but where I come from, comments like that are likely to get a guy a punch in the head. Knock off the racism. Or it'll give us ALL a bad reputation. In other words, think BEFORE you type. This has been a public service announcement. _________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html _________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:05:24 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. Hruggek wrote: > > Yeah now that is a good idea on writing down the cities, but what about our > friends who play twilight or DC in other countrys, I think we should Write > down the country we are in as well. > > Monkey Boy > Monkeyville, Monktana > Monkey States of Zimbawe Greetings Monkey Boy-- its good to here there are other educated monkeys out there. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:09:27 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. Jeffrey P. Cherpeski wrote: > > I used to play TW:2000 way back in High School. I recently was going > through some boxes and found all of my stuff. I always liked the game and > thought it would be fun to play again. A few questions though? Is there > a player directory anywhere to help locate local players? Do people play > be e-mail? If so how? > Thanks in advance for your assistance. > > ===================== > Jeff Cherpeski > cherpesk@scs.unr.edu I was thinking of writing a Visual Basic program to play Twilight: 2000 using ICQ chat-- but more important things have taken up my time. Also VB32 is too buggy. If I ever come up with anything I'll be sure to announce it on the list. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:10:58 EST From: KAPPAABZ Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. In a message dated 98-01-04 23:22:23 EST, you write: > Now I may be getting the wrong end of the stick, but where I come from, > comments like that are likely to get a guy a punch in the head. Um........ > Knock off the racism. where in there is anything that can be definatively labeled as rascism? Perhaps he's just an idiot, or adolescent trying to be funny. > In other words, think BEFORE you type. exaclty, see above. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 14:08:27 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. At 01:10 05/01/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-01-04 23:22:23 EST, you write: > >> Now I may be getting the wrong end of the stick, but where I come from, >> comments like that are likely to get a guy a punch in the head. > >Um........ >> Knock off the racism. > >where in there is anything that can be definatively labeled as rascism? >Perhaps he's just an idiot, or adolescent trying to be funny. About four miles from me is Brixton. Three miles from me is Catford. Two miles from me is Downham. All highly populated by ethnic minorities. We have a bad enough problem with racism here, without it spreading across to globe via e-mail. The sort of comment ("Monkeyboy") is guaranteed to set off at least eight guys I know as freinds. And before you ask - I'm white. It doesn't matter what colour you are, though. TOLERANCE and acceptance of other ethnic races is the name of the game, and stupid asenine comments from that git don't belp anyone. It may be that he's an idiot. It may also be that he's an adolescent trying to be funny. OR maybe he's both. Either way, I didn't - and still don't - find it funny in the least. >> In other words, think BEFORE you type. > >exaclty, see above. I believe I did, but for those who found my comments over the top, I apologise for the tone, unreservedly. I do not apologise for chastising the individual concerned, though. Hopefully, this will be the last on this subject. _________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html _________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:04:31 EST From: Hruggek Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. In a message dated 98-01-04 23:22:23 EST, you write: << Now I may be getting the wrong end of the stick, but where I come from, comments like that are likely to get a guy a punch in the head. Knock off the racism. Or it'll give us ALL a bad reputation. In other words, think BEFORE you type. >> What in the world are you talking about when you bring in race! It is a mere joke since I go by the nik name monkey boy, since I am lanky. SO why don't you just back off about the whole race thing. It had nothing to do with race, it was a joke about me and was for me it is how I sign most emails you jerk. Just back off you big nasty man! Monkey Boy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:11:36 EST From: Hruggek Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. Roger just shut up! You are a real jerk, it has nothing to do with race! I don't care how many of your friends are black asain whatever. I could understand if I was on here saying soemthing like "Ge look at that silly negro, he hangs out with those other uneducated wet backs, I bet they are all drunk as the irish folks! I bet they got all their money from some wallet huggin' jews house, because all minorites are stupid so they have to steal since they are so uneducated and dumb. I bet they take it in the rear too!" That is raciest Monkey Boy my nickname is not. I don't know why you make such a deal out of monkey boy, I am calling myself monkey boy and noone else you jerk, the stick up your ass must have a stick up it's ass. Monkey boy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 16:24:41 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. Roger Stenning wrote: > > At 01:10 05/01/98 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 98-01-04 23:22:23 EST, you write: > > > >> Now I may be getting the wrong end of the stick, but where I come from, > >> comments like that are likely to get a guy a punch in the head. > > > >Um........ > > >> Knock off the racism. > > > >where in there is anything that can be definatively labeled as rascism? > >Perhaps he's just an idiot, or adolescent trying to be funny. > > About four miles from me is Brixton. Three miles from me is Catford. Two > miles from me is Downham. > > All highly populated by ethnic minorities. We have a bad enough problem > with racism here, without it spreading across to globe via e-mail. > > The sort of comment ("Monkeyboy") is guaranteed to set off at least eight > guys I know as freinds. And before you ask - I'm white. It doesn't matter > what colour you are, though. TOLERANCE and acceptance of other ethnic races > is the name of the game, and stupid asenine comments from that git don't > belp anyone. > > It may be that he's an idiot. It may also be that he's an adolescent trying > to be funny. OR maybe he's both. Either way, I didn't - and still don't - > find it funny in the least. > > >> In other words, think BEFORE you type. > > > >exaclty, see above. > > I believe I did, but for those who found my comments over the top, I > apologise for the tone, unreservedly. I do not apologise for chastising the > individual concerned, though. > > Hopefully, this will be the last on this subject. > > _________________________________________________ > Cheers, > > Roger. > > MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. > ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! > e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk > URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html > _________________________________________________ Its sad that people have to make a fuss over everything they find that could be racist. I could have used Monkey Boy (I've called myself that), and since when is Montana (which I guess is what Monktana referred to) a place known for having minorities? Since when is it a part of "Zimbawe" as the e-mail says. Its not particularly funny but why does Monkey States of Zimbawe have to mean that Hruggek is a racist? I could have and have pulled examples straight from no where, and one of them could be like this, and I hate to know that I have to watch out for what I say so that I don't offend someone. Hraggek, say whatever damn pleases you. Too many people get worked up over nothing. If he had said something like Honkey States of America of Gook Republic of China I'd have to side with Mr. Stenning, but not over something as stupid as this. It doesn't please me when I get home to e-mails on my favorite RPG's mailing list about friggin Monkey Boys and racism. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 02:03:03 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. At 17:11 05/01/98 EST, Hruggek wrote: [snip] Never let it be said that I'll never admit to being wrong. Guess you have to be English to understand the depth of feeling over here, though. I apologise if your feelings are hurt over my comments, which, with the hindsight of knowing your nickname, is rather understandable. A bit of background for you. Having been to school in - as we call them here - an inner city area, one tends to be extraordinarily careful about what one says - especially in places where people listen a lot, rather than speaking, as is the case with this mailing list. Your comments in your last message were, of course, quite correct. Never the less, wherever, and whenever, I see what can be perceived at first glace as racism, I will jump in, full steam ahead, and damn the torpedoes. If that results in hurt feelings, so be it - but I WILL apologise if the comments were entirely innocent, as it appears they were here. Please accept my apologies. As to having a stick up my *ss, I can assure you that the only stuff up there is what nature put there in the first place. One more thing, more of a thought really. Over here in the UK, if a guy's tall and lanky, we tend to call 'em Tich, or Stretch. Who saddled you with your nickname? Roger. _________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html _________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:43:54 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Callahan Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. (fwd) Greetings All: I sent this on Sunday, but I never received a copy back, so I'm not sure if it ever got through, or was lost in the ether. If others received this the first time, I apologize for the redundancy. - -C - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:31:02 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Callahan To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Subject: Re: Getting back in the game. Greetings All: On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Alan Eaton wrote: > Sounds good to me. Perhaps one of the listers who has webspace can copy > them down and post it? Done. The temporary URL is: http://www.techrefuge.com/hector/players.html (I am in the process of completely rebuilding all of my websites, both professional and personal, so this will eventually change slightly). So far, there are a whopping three of us (woo-hoo!); it is easy enough to add others (hint, hint, hint). From scenic Davis, CA, - -C #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# Chris Callahan: hector@techrefuge.com Arclight: http://www.techrefuge.com/hector/ #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# "Americans are so enamoured of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom." --Alexis de Tocqueville ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:11:07 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Web Server The Seattle University web server is finally back up, so anyone having problems connecting to my site over the past couple weeks shouldn't have any problems now. http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html Saul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 11:55:03 +0100 From: johnson@hrem.mpi-stuttgart.mpg.de Subject: Re: PBEM In regards to the interest for PBEM. I am definetly interested. Being in Europe I am cut off from my gaming friends in Cincinnati Ohio. Andrew Johnson MPI fuer Metallforschung Seestrasse 92 70174 Stuttgart ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1996 #68 ************************************