twilight2000-digest Thursday, December 11 1997 Volume 1996 : Number 066 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: The Bundeswehr Re: New Aircraft Supplement Part 6 Re: Happy WWIII Re: More Aircraft Supplement? Soviets Military rations - the BRITISH side of things... Re: Soviets Re: Soviets Last Battles Two part question on floorplans Re: Carry Capacity/Encumbrance Re: Aircraft and attached Tw2000 document New Aircraft Supplement Re: New Aircraft Supplement 1st edittion armour conversion RPA and n/a handbook The Bundeswehr Re: The Bundeswehr Re: The Bundeswehr Re: The Bundeswehr Re: The Bundeswehr Re: The Bundeswehr Re: Blackhawk Stats Aircraft Re: Aircraft Re: _City of Angels_ Module Re: Aircraft Re: Web Ring Re: vehicles as payloads... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:39:09 -0800 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: The Bundeswehr > > > > Chris Brody wrote: > > > Do you need any further information on the Bundeswehr, such= as Order of > > > Battle, equipment make up, etc. ... ? > > > > If you can post it anyway, as I am interested and I'm sure there are > > others. > > TTFN > > Ron Hale Ron, Here is some more information on the Bundeswehr that you might find interesting or useful... = The following is an article that should be of interest to anyone looking for information on German forces for use in Twilight: 2000 campaigns. = It was published in _Challenge Magazine_ several years ago, and most all of the information here comes straight from that article. GERMAN COMBAT EQUIPMENT Equipment Fielded by German Forces in the War By: Hans-Christian Vortisch BUNDESWEHR FORCES The Bundeswehr=92s three branches, Heer, Bundesmarine and Luftwaffe (army, navy and air force) are all issued (more or less) the same equipment, which consists of: personal weapons, fatigues, boots, combat web gear, pack, steel helmet, kevlar fragmentation vest, NBC-protective mask, first-aid kit, gloves, poncho, parka, shelter half, sleeping bag, eating utensils, canteen, flashlight and gun-cleaning kit. New-style fatigues sport a woodland camouflage pattern similar to the one used in WWII, while old-style combat clothing is universally olive-drab (blue for navy). Winter camouflage is also issued. The different arms are easily distinguished by the color of their berets-e.g., armor (Panzertruppe) - black, infantry (Panzergrenadier, Jager) - green, airborne (Fallschirmjager) - red. Navy personnel substitute a cap for the beret. (BTW, the Bundesmarine has the equivalent of SEALs: These are called Kampfscwimmer, with the insignia being a swordfish). Fragmentation vests were adopted in the late-80s and are now standard equipment with most troops. Some changes to the personal weapons list in the basic rules are as follows: First, although the G11K2 passed the rigorous tests of the Bundeswehr in 1990, it is very doubtful that it will already be the standard issue rifle by the year 2000. It is far more likely that it will only see service with Fallschirmjager, Fernspah and selected Jager and Panzergrenadier units, while most other troops will use the G41, G3 and AK-74N rifles. The G41 is thought to become a supplementary weapon in case the G11 is accepted, being nearly equally effective at a lower cost as well as fitting better into existing NATO supply lines. This Heckler & Koch weapon is based on the G3 and HK33 series and is chambered for the 5.56mm N round. It is built to NATO STANAG specifications, accepting M16 magazines and all NATO rifle grenades. Capable of full automatic fire and three-round bursts, it can also easily mount the HK79 or M203PI underbarrel grenade- launchers. Additional features include a folding carrying handle, dust-proof ejection-port cover, cleaning kit in the grip and optional wintertrigger and bipod. The G41A2 variant, like the G3A4, sports a collapsible shoulder stock. Note that the German-issue variant of the G11, the G11K2, differs from the one presented in the rules in some minor exterior details, the most outstanding being that the top of the fore-end is designed to accept two spare magazines positioned parallel to the magazine in use, to facilitate recharging. = And, more importantly, the G11K2 is capable of full automatic fire in addition to three-round bursts. Full magazines weigh only 0.5kg, not 1.0kg. With the takeover of huge stockpiles of the (then) East German army, the Bundeswehr also had large amounts of brand-new German-built AK-74 in its hands. These are and probably will stay in service, perhaps rechambered to fire the 5.56mmN round. And finally, as the difficult to produce caseless ammo of the G11 gets increasingly scarce, it=92s also likely that the old trusted G3 will see = a revival, especially with reserve and territorial units. The PSG1 is more a police weapon and is unlikely to enter service, a more promising contender being the Heckler & Koch MSG90 (Militarisches Scharfschutzengewehr). This is the more rugged and reliable, yet lighter, military version of the PSG1. It is equipped with a 12x telescopic sight, bipod and adjustable stock and trigger. In older days, G3 rifles fitted with 4x scopes (known as G3A3ZF) were issued on squad-level, with some Mauser SP66s given to selected marksmen. The SP66 sniper rifle is a conventional bolt-action rifle with a 6x scope and thumbhole grip. Both will certainly still be around. Officers, vehicle crews and military police (Feldjager) in units not equipped with the G11 receive MP2 (Uzi) submachineguns. Feldjager and officers should also have the option to choose a P1 (modified Walther P38), P6 (German-built SIG P225) or P226 pistol instead of the new standard sidearm, the P7M13. Walther PPKs are also still in use. The standard machine gun for all troops is the proven MG3 (modified MG42). Light support weapons include the Heckler & Koch CAW, HK69A1 (Granatpistole), HK79 underbarrel grenade-launcher and D34 HAFLA (Handflammpatrone) disposable incendiary/smoke grenade-launcher. Note that the HK69 needs extensive modifications to fit under a rifle, its variant suitable for underbarrel use being the HK79. Heavy firepower is provided through Armburst and Panzerfaust 3 rocket launchers as well as the various MILAN, TOW and HOT missile launcher variants. The Pzf3 was introduced in 1989 and can use HEAT, HE and smoke rounds of various calibers. The Swedish Carl Gustav recoilless rifle is also still in use. Standard hand grenades are the DM51 concussion/fragmentation and the DM24 incendiary/smoke grenades. The DM incorporates a detachable fragmentation sleeve which permits its use either in the defensive (with the sleeve fitted) or in the offensive (without it). The DM24 differs from most incen/smoke grenades in that it is filled with red phosphorous rather than WP, making it considerably safer to use. All soldiers receive a Kampfmesser (knife/bayonet, which may not be fitted to the G11). The German forces also make use of the INKAS integrated night-fighting system. This consists of a rifle-mounted infrared laser projector and image-intensifying goggles worn by the soldier. The laser can be fitted to many of the Heckler & Koch weapons directly in front of the fore-sight. Its beam is invisible except with IR-goggles or similar night-vision devices. Suitable weapons include the G3, G41, MP5, HK21, HK33 and HK53. INKAS allows effective night combat efficiency, with the laser considerably enhancing hit-probability through its simple point-and-shoot system. BUNDESGRENZSCHUTZ (FEDERAL BORDER GUARDS) Although nominally police, these must be considered to be paramilitary because they receive special training and military equipment, including APCs and light tanks. The famous antiterror unit GSG 9 is part of it. = They wear combat fatigues in German police green and green berets. = Steel helmets and kevlar vests are available, with bullet-proof vests given to high-threat teams. The BGS, like all German police, make extensive use of all MP5 submachine gun variants, including MP5A2/A3, MP5K and MP5SD. Standard sidearm is the P7M13 but some use other police pistols like the P9S or the Walher P5 (modified P38 with short barrel), while still others field .357 Magnum revolvers. Standard sniper rifle is the PSG1. = A special automatic rifle is also in use, called the G8A1. This Heckler & Koch weapon is based on the HK21 light machine gun series and was built on specifications of the BGS. It fires the 7.62mm N round and features a bipod, assault grip and selective fire including a three-round-burst limiter. The G8A1 will accept G3, PSG1 and MSG90 magazines (which in fact are all the same) and a special 50-round drum which weighs 2.0kg loaded. Beacause of its high accuracy it can be used as a sniper rifle and is usually issued with a 4x scope. Like the police, they are equipped with some G1 (FN-FAL) and G3 rifles. EINMANNVERPFLEGUNG (EPA) These are German combat rations which provide one day=92s worth of food for one individual. They include two complete pre-cooked meals, various instant drinks, a small package of cookies jokingly referred to as Panzerplatten (armor plates), paper, matches and even chocolate and chewing gum. Wt: 1.25kg Price: $10 (S/R). EQUIPMENT AND PRICE LIST UPDATE = The list corresponds directly with the text, giving complete game statistics for the new items, and provides exact nomenclature and more precise weights and prices for some already published ones. G1 Use FN-FAL G3A3 Use G3 except: Wt (empty): 4.4kg G3A3ZF Use G3 except: Wt (empty, w/scope): 4.8kg G3A4 Use G3 except: Wt (empty): 4.7kg Blk: 4/5 G8A1 Ammo: 7.62mmN Wt(empty w/scope): 9.1kg Mag: 20box/50drum = Price:$1250 (R/-) ROF: 3/10 Dam: 4 Pen: 2-3-Nil Blk: 6 SS: 1 Brst: 3/9 (2/4 w/bipod) Rng: 65 (75 w/bipod) G11K2 Ammo: 4.73mmCls Wt(empty): 3.7kg Mag: 50box Price: $750 (S/R) ROF:3/5 Dam: 3 Pen: 1-Nil Blk: 4 SS: 2 Brst: 3/3 = Rng: 55 G41 Ammo: 5.56mmN Wt(empty): 4.1kg Mag: 20/30box Price: $450 (C/S) ROF: 3/10 Dam: 3 Pen: 1-N Blk: 5 SS: 2 Brst: 4/6 = Rng: 55 = G41A2 Use G41 except: Wt(empty): 4.4kg Blk: 4/5 AK74N Use AK-74 except: Wt(empty): 3.6kg PSG1 Use PSG1 except: Price: $1500 (R/R) MSG90 Use PSG1 except: Wt(empty): 7.2kg Mag: 5/20box Price: $1250 (R/R) SP66 Ammo: 7.62mmN Wt(empty): 6.1kg Mag: 3I Price: $850 (R/-) ROF: BA Dam: 4 Pen: 2-3-Nil Blk: 6 SS:4 Rng: 75 = MP2A1 Use UZI except: Wt(empty): 3.5kg MP5A2 Use MP5A2 except: Wt(empty): 2.5kg MP5A3 Use MP5A2 except: Wt(empty): 2.85kg Blk: 3/4 P1 Use P38 except: Wt(empty): 0.8kg Price: $600 (S/R) P5 Use P38 except: Wt(empty): 0.8kg Price: $650 (S/R) P6 Use P7 except: Wt(empty): 0.75kg Mag: 8 Price: $500 (S/R) P9S Use P9S except: Wt(empty): 0.9kg P226 Use P7 except: Wt(empty): 0.75kg Mag: 15box Price: $550 (S/R) HK79 Use HK69 except: Wt(empty): 1.5kg + Wt of rifle Pzf3 Ammo: 90mm, 110mm, 125mm Wt(empty): 12.0kg Price: $4500 (R/-) ROF: 1 Rld: 2 Rng: 150 110mm HEAT C:6 B:6 Pen:125C 110mm HE C:12 B:12 Pen: 10C 110mm Smoke B:150 DM24 Wt: 0.35kg Price: $20 (S/R) Dam: 0 B:12 (smoke) DM51 Wt: 0.2kg (0.5kg with fragmentation sleeve) Price: $5 (C/S) Dam: C:4 B:0 (C: 4 B:12) INKAS laser Wt: 0.2kg Price: $1000 (R/-) Effect. Rng: 200m in starlight goggles Wt: 0.5kg Price: $500 (R/-) Effect. Rng: 300m (any other IR-goggles may also be used. The goggles allow the character to freely act at night times, and the laser reduces the final hit number by 1) 4.73x33mmCls All 4.73mmCls ammo is prepackaged in sealed, air-tight plastic packs (50 rounds apiece) which also serve as magazine = loaders. = Loaded magazine: 0.5kg Price: $50 = Ammo pack: 0.4kg Price: $36 Case (1800 rounds): 15.0kg Price: $1300 (S/R) 110mm HEAT round: 6.0kg Price: $250 (S/-) 110mm HE round: 6.0kg Price: $250 (S/-) 110mm Smoke round: 6.0kg Price: $200 (S/-) Base Equipment: 16.0kg German kevlar vest (AV: 1): 2.75kg Price: $900 (C/S) German steel helmet (AV:1): 1.35kg Price: $150 (V/C) German bullet-proof vest (AV:3): 8.0kg Price: $1500 (R/-) I apologize for the rather jumbled order of the new equipment listings =2E.. I tried typing up full stats for each piece of equipment, but the spacing was way off when I attempted to send the final product. In any case, if you should have any problems reading or understanding any of the above entries, please let me know. = ~Cbrody LQM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:16:54 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: New Aircraft Supplement Part 6 At 12:19 04/12/97 -0800, you wrote: >BTW, how true! ;-] (~Cb)------> >> >MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. >> ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! I would say tell me about it, but after the events of the evening before last, and an all-night (2300-0500) stint fixing the damn thing, I could probably lecture on it! Thank ***k I managed to fix it, anyhow! :-)) >Here is the address that you can probably find Part 1 which contained an >"introductory" paragraph and the first aircraft: the Aero Albatros from >Czechoslovakia. This ite is owned by Saul Basgen, another list memeber, >and the entire site, though under construction, is very good! > > http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight/temp/ > >Thank you for your interest; should you have any further problems, just >let me know. > ~Cbrody > LQM Will do, and MANNY thanks indeed. I'll check out the address tonight! _________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html _________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:03:56 EST From: Orrin Ladd Subject: Re: Happy WWIII In a message dated 97-12-04 05:36:07 EST, GDWGAMES@AOL.COM writes: <> Amen to that! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:06:53 EST From: Orrin Ladd Subject: Re: More Aircraft Supplement? In a message dated 97-12-04 07:13:32 EST, parnal@lander.es writes: >>Are there aircraft rules for twilight first edition beyond the chpater in Krakow and Going Home? >> Yes, there were 1st Edition aircraft rules published in Challenge magazine. Issues #26 and #28. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 16:37:11 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Soviets Well, the Soviet Union no longer exists, but I was wondering how many people had read the books by Viktor Suvurov (the defector), like Spetsnaz, Inside the Soviet Army, etc. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com, Fitek@geocities.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 01:08:38 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Military rations - the BRITISH side of things... All - Well, well, well. The virtues of MRE ("Meals Rejected by Ethiopians", or "Three lies in one, Meal, Ready, and Eat") rations over EPA ("Extreme Pain for All" German rats). Heh,heh, heh. You mugs have obviously never sampled British 'compo' (for Composition, although we never knew why they were called this) rats. They come in two types, tinned (GS, or General Service), and retort-packaged boil in the bag (GP, or General Purpose). And, although I'm biased (I'm British), they ARE actually better than the other two country's offerings. I'll describe the GP rats only, since the GS will be finished with by the year 1999, according to official MoD estimates on stock . GP rats have a shelf life of six years. GC have a shelf life of ten years (because they're in tins). Like GS rats, GP rats come in a thin brown cardboard box, about 12cm x 8cm x 8cm. The box holds one x 24-hour man ration, from a choice of nine menus. And that's pretty much where similarities end, except for the accessories pack. Each ration comprises Breakfast, Main meal, dessert, snack, and a beverage/accessories pack. Accessories pack. Wrapped in a transparent plastic bag, sealed with adhesive tape (like sellotape). Contents: 2 x Coffee sachets (5g). 6 x Tea bags. 6 x Non-dairy whitner sachets. 6 x Sachets quick disolving white sugar (25g). 1 x Beef stock drink sachet (5g). 2 x Powdered fruit drink sachets. 2 x Powdered soup drink sachets. 1 x Pack Wrigley's PK chewing gum (4 pieces). 1 x Small folding tin opener (in GS ration packs only). 5 x weather-proof matches ('lifeboat matches') plus striker, in small plastic zip-lok bag. 1 x Pack Rolled Oats Mix (dehydrated porridge). 1 x Pack chocolate drink mix (to make 1 pint). 1 x Pack Dextrose glocose tablets (orange flavour was common). 1 x Bar of chocolate. Catering bars of Yorkie, Mars, or Rolo's were most common. Yorkies were preferred by my unit - they didn't melt as much as the others! 6-8 x Sheets double-ply gov't issue toilet tissue (smooth one side, like sandpaper the other. Called slide'n'hide sheets by the troops). 1 x Pack Biscuits, fruit filled (fortified malted garibaldis) 2 x Packs Biscuits, Brown, AB (solid - VERY solid - 'digestives'). 1-2 x Packs for the AB biscuits, normally of long-life pate, cheese (one big foil-sealed pack), or fruit spread. The cheese was called 'Cheese Possessed' by the troops). 1 x Menu sheet. In English and French. The boil-in-the-bag packs were: 1 x Breakfast pack, such as Bacon & Baked Beans, or some such. Remarkably, they tended to actually tasted as in the description on the packaging. 1 x Main Meal (normally taken in the evening, prior to dusk, if cooked). Something like Pasta, Chicken & Mushroom in white sauce, or Lancashire hotpot, were main meals. I preferred Beef stew. It tasted better. 1 x Dessert pack. Pears in syrup, mixed fruit pudding in buterscotch sauce, or something as plain as milk rice pudding. They all tended to taste good! The rations are designed to fit neatly into the soldiers combat webbing, the boil-in-the-bag rats, contained in a soldiers mess-tins for added protection, in the utility pouches, and the accessories pack in the over-sized watter-bottle cover, with the water bottle and canteen mug. The soldier was also issued a folding hexamine solid-fuel stove, and sixteen blocks of fuel in a box about six inches square by one inch deep, to cook with. The thing about these rats is that they can be eated hot OR cold, as they're retort-packaged (pre-cooked and sealed in the bag while still piping hot). I have to say, they were better hot. But I have eaten them cold with no ill affects . There y'go. Bon appetite! _________________________________________________ Cheers, Roger. MURPHY was a bloody optimist. It Always goes wrong. ESPECIALLY if it's mission critical! e-mail: roger@isg.abel.co.uk URL: http://www.abel.net.uk/~isg/index.html _________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:46:46 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: Soviets >Well, the Soviet Union no longer exists, but I was wondering how many >people had read the books by Viktor Suvurov (the defector), like >Spetsnaz, Inside the Soviet Army, etc. I've read his book, Inside the Soviet Special Forces, Spetsnaz. It was about 200 pages, but of that, the content was awfully slim. He had some nice stories, but failed to capture the Spetsnaz 'spirit', instead just making the reader wholly fear them. Sometime down the road, I plan on bringing those things that he did bring to light on my page, mayhap sometime in January. I don't much like him, from what I could differ about him from his writings. At least in the area on Spetsnaz, he knew much less than what he purports to know, hence the book could have easily been 50 pages rather than 200. Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:33:48 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Soviets Saul Basgen wrote: > > >Well, the Soviet Union no longer exists, but I was wondering how many > >people had read the books by Viktor Suvurov (the defector), like > >Spetsnaz, Inside the Soviet Army, etc. > > I've read his book, Inside the Soviet Special Forces, Spetsnaz. It was > about 200 pages, but of that, the content was awfully slim. He had some > nice stories, but failed to capture the Spetsnaz 'spirit', instead just > making the reader wholly fear them. Sometime down the road, I plan on > bringing those things that he did bring to light on my page, mayhap > sometime in January. > I don't much like him, from what I could differ about him from his > writings. At least in the area on Spetsnaz, he knew much less than what he > purports to know, hence the book could have easily been 50 pages rather > than 200. > > Saul > > ---- > http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html > http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html The information was pretty slim, but its useful nonetheless. Its definately a lot more information than any Twilight:2000 supplement gets into (or at least any that I have found). He gets into a bit more detail with his books on intelligence, since according to him (you never do learn what he's doing now and I've never heard of him anywhere else) he worked with the GRU. He brings up some good poijts though, that aren't often mentioned over here in the US (I'm from Poland). The entire Soviet Union and its satellite states were militarized-- even children had to serve time in the military (I don't know when this practice stopped, I believe it was in the last half of the 80s). There is an excellent book called Secret Armies or something, it details several prominent operations made by the special forces and anti-terrorist troops. It was written by some reporter, I dont know his name (well, its not much info, but at my library it would be enough to find the book[thanks to computers], 355 is basically the military books section). The Falklands chapter is interesting, especially the SAS/Royal Navy attack on a group of "Balaclavad enemies" and "a machine gun position" that turn out to be 3 or 4 seals and a piece of metal stuck in the ground. hehe - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com, Fitek@geocities.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:45:06 EST From: Orrin Ladd Subject: Last Battles Does anyone out there have Twilight 2000 Last Battles? Is it the same mass combat rules that were included in "The Ruins of Warsaw" module? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:52:43 -0800 From: Hale Subject: Two part question on floorplans Part 1 Does anyone out there have maps done in the 1 or 2 meter tactical grid format. Of course I'm refering to maps other than those from the different modules & sourcebooks. Part 2 Does anyone know of a program that would overlay a picture with the 1 or 2 meter grid. Please if you do, let me know. TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:45:26 -0500 From: Scott Lazzari Subject: Re: Carry Capacity/Encumbrance Hale - I always used the common sense rule - I know what I can carry (and used to carry), and just apply it to them. It works real well if you're friends with the PC's, but if you are running a group with some troublemakers, or 'rule mongers', I wouldn't reccommend it. Scott Lazzari slazzari@tciconsulting.com http://mbordeaux.ne.mediaone.net/scott/ ICQ UIN: 2098756 - ----- 10:36 AM 11/10/97 -0800,Hale you wrote ----- >I'm sure that all of you Refs out there have had the problem of; "I can >carry it, and I'm still under may carry capacity", after explaining that >it is to much stuff or to big. >Ok, we all know that the size of an object can change its effective >weight, right? >So, if the above is correct than, what does everyone think of assigning >something like an encumbrance value to all items. Small arms already >have them, although to come up with something that will work for all man >portable items we might need to change the listings for small arms. >Just thinking out load, but I would like opinions. >TTFN >Ron Hale > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:00:36 -0800 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: Aircraft and attached Tw2000 document Peter Vieth wrote: > > Thanks for the aircraft, Chris. > > As for the attached document, I have converted it to HTML and put it up > at > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/2946/t2000.html > > I'll try and finish it by the weekend after Thanksgiving. Peter, Thank you for the update! I look foward to seeing your rules when they are complete. ~Cbrody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:28:19 -0800 From: Chris Brody Subject: New Aircraft Supplement Dear List, As previously mentioned, I have begun putting togeather a collection of aircraft not covered in the original _Nautical/Aviation Handbook_ released by GDW. I am putting the aircraft in a similar format to those presented in the original TW2000 book. The aircraft I have selected are mainly those in common usage in modern military forces. Also, I am trying to include aircraft that can be used realistically in either Twilight: 2000 or Merc: 2000 to accomadate players of either setting. I am posting this Aircraft Supplement on the list because I have already had some interest expressed in it, and besides, we can always use more new equipment, right?!! In any case, I will post the aircraft as I create the stats for them, and try to keep the entries as close to alphabetical order as possible. If I should miss an aircraft that you would like to use in your campaign, please let me know and I will get the information out ASAP. If anyone has any comments, suggestions or questions about my supplement, feel free to contact me any time. Here I will include the first entry into the supplement. Enjoy! ~Cbrody Aero L39 Albatros (Fixed-Wing Aircraft) The Albatros is a small ground attack and tactical reconnaissance aircraft from Czehoslovakia. It is in the service of numerous air forces, including Afghanistan, Algeria, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Cuba, East Germany, Ethiopia, Iraq, Libya, Nigeria, Romania, Syria, the USSR, and Vietnam. The aircraft carries a 23mm GSh-23L two-barreled cannon underneath its fuselage and can carry two drop tanks at the expense of ordnance. The crew are provided with ejection seats. Merc: 2000 Price: $1,500,000 (-/S) Twilight: 2000 Price: $3,000,000 (-/R) Armament: One fixed 23mm-2 autocannon Ammo: 150x23mm Fuel Type: AvG Load: 1100kg on 4 hardpoints Veh Wt: 3.8tons Crew: 2 Mnt: 10 Minimum Landing/Takeoff Zone: 760/496m Combat Equipment: Integral flare and chaff dispensers. Damage Record Crewmembers: Pilot O, Weapons officer O Radio: O Instruments: O Controls: O 23mm-2 AC: O Ammo: O Engine: O Fuel (% Consumed or Destroyed): OOOOO OOOOO Tr Mov: 928 Com Mov: 23 (11) Fuel Cap: 1700 Fuel Cons: 1700 - ----------------------Weapon Data------------------------- Weapon ROF Mag Rng Ammo Damage Pen 23mm-2 GSh 20 150C 250 API 10 -2/-4/-6 250 HE C:1, B:2 -8C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:39:31 -0800 From: Hale Subject: Re: New Aircraft Supplement Chris Brody wrote: > If I should miss an aircraft that you > would like to use in your campaign, please let me know and I will get > the information out ASAP. If anyone has any comments, suggestions or > questions about my supplement, feel free to contact me any time. Here I > will include the first entry into the supplement. Enjoy! Well since you asked, I could use the stats for any and all WWI & WWII aircraft. Thankz in advance. TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:07:08 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: 1st edittion armour conversion Hello everyone, A reader has asked me how to convert armour from first edition to second. I've parted with my first edition books ages ago, and quite frankly don't even remember what the difference was. If anyone has info on this, please let me know. Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:35:52 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: RPA and n/a handbook http://members.tripod.com/~Fitek/rpa.zip I wrote two program for Twilight: 2000 several years ago and called them part of this RPA (Role-Playing Assitant) thing. Just run rpa.exe to create NPCs and encounters. Note that when an encounter is with a military unit there are a bunch of letters on the screen-- this was an attempt to map out the encounter, but I usually disregard it. The map is pretty obvious, N for Novice, E for experienced, and so on. Vehicles are sometimes shown (and extra vehicles show up from time to time, this is a bug). The aircraft encounters are pretty dumb, but interesting anyway. You will see several lines of stuff like: x2 AAMs 4x100KG bomb Each line is for a seperate aircraft. Hey Chris, could you also put the stats for the Mi-28 Havoc up? I didn't realize that it was already in service. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 01:50:16 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: The Bundeswehr Does anyone know what the Bundeswehr of the German Republic are? Thanks. Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:27:30 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: The Bundeswehr At 01:50 29/11/97 -0800, you wrote: > > Does anyone know what the Bundeswehr of the German Republic are? Thanks. > >Saul > >---- >http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html > > > "Bund" translates to 'bunch' or 'bundle';suffixed with 'es' kakes it plural, thus "Bundes" is a collection of things. "Wehr" translates to 'defence', 'weapon', or 'protection' So I tend to think you'll find "Bundeswehr" translates (VERY roughly) to defence forces of the republic, kind of like a collective term for the Army, Airforce, Navy, and Marines. Hope that helped. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 05:06:09 -0800 From: "Mad Mike" Subject: Re: The Bundeswehr - ---------- > From: Saul Basgen > To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM > Subject: The Bundeswehr > Date: Saturday, November 29, 1997 1:50 AM > > > Does anyone know what the Bundeswehr of the German Republic are? Thanks. Bundeswehr- German armed forces consisting of Das Heer- the army, Die Luftwaffe- the air force, and the Die Marine/Bundesmarine (or is das?). Mad Mike "May God bless your bayonets that they may penetrate deep into the entrails of your enemies. May the Almighty in His great righteousness direct your artillery fire upon the heads of the enemy staffs. Merciful God, grant that all our enemies may be stifled amid their own blood, from the wounds which we inflict upon them."- Geza Szatmur Budafal, Archbishop of Budapest, "The Good Soldier Schweik" by Jaroslav Hacek ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:40:03 -0500 From: Matt Aistrich Subject: Re: The Bundeswehr Roger Stenning wrote: > "Bund" translates to 'bunch' or 'bundle';suffixed with 'es' kakes it > plural, thus "Bundes" is a collection of things. Very good, although it is more straightforward than that. Bundes is simply Federal. Bundesrepublick Deutschland is the Federal Republic of Germany. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 17:42:48 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: The Bundeswehr Thanks for the replies Roger, Mike and Matt. Much appreciated, and helpful. Saul - ---- http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:43:53 +0000 From: Roger Stenning Subject: Re: The Bundeswehr At 17:42 29/11/97 -0800, you wrote: > > Thanks for the replies Roger, Mike and Matt. Much appreciated, and helpful. > >Saul > >---- >http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html > You're very welcome. Glad to be of help! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:22:18 -0800 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: Blackhawk Stats Chris Brody wrote: > > Christopher Alan Cranston wrote: > > > > I was wondering if someone could please e-mail me the statistics for the > > UH-60A blackhawk since I do not own a copy of the Nautical/Aviation > > handbook. While on the subject of Twilight 2000 products, does anyone know > > where in the UK I could find anything from the first or second editions ? > > My collection is far from complete, but I was lucky enough just last week > > to pick up the Soviet and American vehicle guides(1st Edition) and the RDF > > sourcebook from my local games store. A few weeks ago there was some > > discussion about a Twilight 2000 netbook, I would be willing to contribute > > to this so who's idea was it ? > > > > Thanks, > > Chris. > > 9607794c@student.gla.ac.uk > Here are the full stats for the Blackhawk helicopter as they appear in the _Nautical/Aviation Handbook_. Hope it helps! UH-60 Blackhawk (Rotary-Wing Aircraft) The Blackhawk is the current U.S. Army transport and utility helicopter. Statistics for the troop transport version are given, although several variants exsist. No ejection seats are provided, and the helicopter is capable of in-flight refueling via a nose probe. Merc:2000 Price: $11,250,000 (R/C) Twilight:2000 Price: $22,500,000 (S/R) Armament: two M60 door guns (P/S) Ammo: 1000 x 7.62N Fuel Type: AvG Load: 1100kg (internal); 3600kg slung load at expense of internal capacity Veh Wt: 22tons Crew: 3+11 Mnt: 12 Minimum Landing/Takeoff Zone: 48m Damage Record Crewmembers: Pilot O Copilot O Crew cheif O Passengers: 1O 2O 3O 4O 5O 6O 7O 8O 9O 10O 11O Radio: O Instruments: O Controls: O M60 Door Gun 1: O M60 Door Gun 2: O Ammo: O Engine: O Fuel (%Consumed or Destroyed): OOOOO OOOOO Tr Mov: 1076 Com Mov: 29 Fuel Cap: 3500 Fuel Cons: 3500 Combat Equipment Integral chaff and flare dispensers, IR Suppression - -------------------Weapon Data---------------- Weapon ROF Dam Pen Blk Mag SS Brst Rng M60 5 4 2-3-N 6 100B 1 1 125 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:10:40 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Aircraft While everyone's on the topic of aircraft... what exactly are the damage rules for aircraft? I was looking for the nautical and aviation handbook but Twilight:2000 stuff is getting really hard to find. - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:26:05 -0800 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: Aircraft Peter Vieth wrote: > > While everyone's on the topic of aircraft... what exactly are the damage > rules for aircraft? I have a copy of the _Nautical / Aviation Handbook_ and could send you info on aircraft damage rules, is there anything in particular you want to know?? ~Cbrody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:30:40 -0500 (EST) From: Hruggek@aol.com Subject: Re: _City of Angels_ Module I ran it and read it, one of the best ever done ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:43:11 -0800 From: Peter Vieth Subject: Re: Aircraft Chris Brody wrote: > > Peter Vieth wrote: > > > > While everyone's on the topic of aircraft... what exactly are the damage > > rules for aircraft? > > I have a copy of the _Nautical / Aviation Handbook_ and could send you > info on aircraft damage rules, is there anything in particular you want > to know?? > ~Cbrody What sort of stuff is in the handbook (are there just a few aircraft or many, etc)? The damage rules would be nice-- I have one copy of the eternal soldier, and it contains 3 aircraft, but I can't use them because I don't know how to apply damaged to them. I suppose if you have a scanner it would be possible to scan the damage rules. Otherwise it might be too time consuming to write them. I don't know. Is there anything else important with use of aircraft? Movement and fuel consumption are fairly obvious. Oh yes how are attacks on aircraft by surface to air missiles treated? - -- Peter Vieth Fitek@ix.netcom.com, Fitek@geocities.com IGZ Handle: Fitek ICQ UIN: 3660410 Web page: http://www.netcom.com/~Fitek/index.html Apocalypse Software E-mail: Apocalypsesw@rocketmail.com Apocalypse Software web page: http://www.keast.com/apocalypse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:04:18 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Callahan Subject: Re: Web Ring Greetings All: > Thanks for the info. Not a bad idea, but I see some potential problems.... > It's sorta like that counter craze maybe 1-2 years ago, so many ppl got one > that the site offering them went down again and again... I would think the > same thing would happen here too. > I'm willing to give it a shot if some others are interested... I personally feel that webrings are evil. One complaint I have is that you never know what kind of site you will be taken to next. I prefer the format that I try to use at my sites (which desperately need to be updated and improved :), where a list of links is broken down into categories, with a brief description of what can be found there. - -C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:19:53 From: Pedro Arnal Puente Subject: Re: vehicles as payloads... Hello all >> Fast cargo systems? > >(tapping the PRC-77) Um..........say again, didn't copy last transmission Err, sorry... Fast load/unload procedures? ...Win95: Chorrada o no, usted decide. *Saludos Mercenarios. Pedro Arnal Puente* *Internet: parnal@lander.es************** *http://www.lander.es/%7Eparnal/********* ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1996 #66 ************************************