twilight2000-digest Thursday, November 6 1997 Volume 1996 : Number 061 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: Newbie with a question RE: Newbie with a question Re: Newbie with a question RE: Newbie with a question Re: M2k mission Re: Newbie with a question Re: Newbie with a question Re: Newbie with a question Question on C-141 cargo capacity Re: Newbie with a question Re: Question on C-141 cargo capacity FAVs was (Re: Question on C-141 cargo capacity) Re: Question on C-141 cargo capacity Web Ring On the C-141... Re: Web Ring vehicles as payloads... Hello All, lurker goes writer... Re: Question on C-141 cargo capacity Re: Question on C-141 cargo capacity Fwd:Humour... How the armed forces deal with reptiles.... Humour... How the armed forces deal with reptiles.... Re: Fwd:Humour... How the armed forces deal with reptiles.... Re: vehicles as payloads... Re: On the C-141... Re: Hello All, lurker goes writer... Re: Web Ring Re: Web Ring Re: vehicles as payloads... Gulf Re: Gulf Re: Gulf Re: Gulf Re: Gulf Re: Question on C-141 cargo capacity Re: Newbie with a question Current Gulf Fwd: M1 Amhpibious capability...(?!) Re: Newbie with a question Re: Fwd: M1 Amhpibious capability...(?!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 05:53:41 PST From: "Teemu Niemi" Subject: Re: Newbie with a question Excuse me, if I some how interfere here, but I read somewhere (maybe some NET-newspaper) that Norway manufactured in mid-50's napalm made from whale-based oil. Their main purpose was to make napalm, what would be useful in northern parts of NATO area, but because none showed any interest to this napalm, norwegians dropped this experiment. Article mentioned also that even though this napalm burned better than american napalm, there was some difficulties (can't really remember, maybe in air bombings), but they used this napalm to simulate, hmmm... what's that word, well some kind of nuclear explosion without using real A-bombs... >As far as I know all the bombings took place at >military firing ranges (including one where the >artillery battery I served in have fired countless >numbers of 105mm & 155mm howitzer shells). >To the best of my knowledge napalm consists of >gasoline, fuel thickeners and phospor, and I fail to >see whats wrong with the airforce dropping a few 750 >lbs bombs of the stuff.If anyone could shed some >light on what the problem can be, I'll be most >grateful as I am getting fed up with the TV reporters >yapping about this horrendous crime against humanity. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:01:58 -0500 From: mark h walker Subject: RE: Newbie with a question Word your looking for is FAE (Fuel Air Explosive). Looks like a mini-nuke - -----Original Message----- From: Teemu Niemi [SMTP:niemit@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 8:54 AM To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Subject: Re: Newbie with a question Excuse me, if I some how interfere here, but I read somewhere (maybe some NET-newspaper) that Norway manufactured in mid-50's napalm made from whale-based oil. Their main purpose was to make napalm, what would be useful in northern parts of NATO area, but because none showed any interest to this napalm, norwegians dropped this experiment. Article mentioned also that even though this napalm burned better than american napalm, there was some difficulties (can't really remember, maybe in air bombings), but they used this napalm to simulate, hmmm... what's that word, well some kind of nuclear explosion without using real A-bombs... >As far as I know all the bombings took place at >military firing ranges (including one where the >artillery battery I served in have fired countless >numbers of 105mm & 155mm howitzer shells). >To the best of my knowledge napalm consists of >gasoline, fuel thickeners and phospor, and I fail to >see whats wrong with the airforce dropping a few 750 >lbs bombs of the stuff.If anyone could shed some >light on what the problem can be, I'll be most >grateful as I am getting fed up with the TV reporters >yapping about this horrendous crime against humanity. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(A,0`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ MD 8`L $```$````0`````P``, (````+``\.``````(!_P\!````20`````` M``"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````'1W:6QI9VAT,C P,$!-4$=.+D-/30!3 M3510`'1W:6QI9VAT,C P,$!-4$=.+D-/30`````>``(P`0````4```!33510 M`````!X``S !````%@```'1W:6QI9VAT,C P,$!-4$=.+D-/30````,`%0P! 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I`````0`````````>`#T``0````4```!213H@``````,`#33]-P``'U:% ` end ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:18:21 -0800 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: Newbie with a question Narve wrote: > = > This is my first posting to this list, and I've got a > question for anyone on the list with good knowledge > on napalm.I am norwegian, and the last week on of the > major TV-channels have been going apeshit over the > fact that the norwegian airforce practised bombing > runs with napalm in the 60s and 70s. > As far as I know all the bombings took place at > military firing ranges (including one where the > artillery battery I served in have fired countless > numbers of 105mm & 155mm howitzer shells). > To the best of my knowledge napalm consists of > gasoline, fuel thickeners and phospor, and I fail to > see whats wrong with the airforce dropping a few 750 > lbs bombs of the stuff.If anyone could shed some > light on what the problem can be, I'll be most > grateful as I am getting fed up with the TV reporters > yapping about this horrendous crime against humanity. > = > "Panserskalle, panserskalle, over sletta l=F8p, men der > l=E5 MFA og skj=F8t.Panserskalle, panserskalle l=F8per ikke > mer. T=F8m v=E5pen, kontroller!" > = > _____________________________________________________________________ > Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com Another reason why the media (and numerous governments) consider Napalm to be so evil is that It was designed from the very beginning to be a very brutal antipersonnel weapon. Due to its "fuel-thickeners, Napalm sticks to just about everything it lands on, and a 500-, 750-, 1000- or even larger - pound bomb can throw out an aweful lot of the stuff. When this substance (commonly referred to as "jellied gasoline") lands on something, it burns with intense heat and is practically impossible to put out until all of the fuel has been consumed. On a similar note, the White Phosporous rounds (grnades, artillery shells, etc.) used by U.S. and other forces have come under similar attack. The WP (a.k.a. "Willie Pete") rounds were originally designed to be very effective smoke cartridges because of their thick cloud of white smoke. They share the similar destructive properties of napalm, and WP rounds have been "outlawed" by the Geneva Convention when used as an antipersonnel weapon. ~Cbrody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:40:48 -0500 From: Scott Lazzari Subject: RE: Newbie with a question FAE 'squirts' an explosive liquid into the air as a mist, and then a small explosion sets it off in a big way - the gaseous explosive sucks the air out of anything within its grasp, and it is quite violent. Real cool to see, actually... Scott Lazzari slazzari@tciconsulting.com http://mbordeaux.ne.mediaone.net/scott/ ICQ UIN: 2098756 - ----- 11:01 AM 10/29/97 -0500,mark h walker you wrote ----- >Word your looking for is FAE (Fuel Air Explosive). Looks like a mini-nuke > >-----Original Message----- >From: Teemu Niemi [SMTP:niemit@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 8:54 AM >To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM >Subject: Re: Newbie with a question > >Excuse me, if I some how interfere here, but I read somewhere (maybe >some NET-newspaper) that Norway manufactured in mid-50's napalm made >from whale-based oil. Their main purpose was to make napalm, what would >be useful in northern parts of NATO area, but because none showed any >interest to this napalm, norwegians dropped this experiment. Article >mentioned also that even though this napalm burned better than american >napalm, there was some difficulties (can't really remember, maybe in air >bombings), but they used this napalm to simulate, hmmm... what's that >word, well some kind of nuclear explosion without using real A-bombs... > >>As far as I know all the bombings took place at >>military firing ranges (including one where the >>artillery battery I served in have fired countless >>numbers of 105mm & 155mm howitzer shells). >>To the best of my knowledge napalm consists of >>gasoline, fuel thickeners and phospor, and I fail to >>see whats wrong with the airforce dropping a few 750 >>lbs bombs of the stuff.If anyone could shed some >>light on what the problem can be, I'll be most >>grateful as I am getting fed up with the TV reporters >>yapping about this horrendous crime against humanity. > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\WINMAIL.DAT" > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 03:01:30 -0500 (EST) From: Gopossum@aol.com Subject: Re: M2k mission << For answers to questions on why the UN doesn't like free speech or private ownership of firearms, read their charter. For those who enjoy the writings of Stalin, you'll love the UN charter. >> Are you sure their charter isn't the "writings of Stalin"? Look very closely for white-out. {;-D About the only good things I can say about the UN is that they haven't succeeeded (yet!) in leveeing their "global fairness tax" on us yet, and that many of them don't bother to actually show up for work and hassle us more. At least when the ChiComs run the U.S. maybe they'll quit funding those guys. (I'd say maybe ten more years.) Mike Whitfield ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 02:20:22 -0800 (PST) From: Narve Subject: Re: Newbie with a question - ---Teemu Niemi wrote: > > Excuse me, if I some how interfere here, but I read somewhere (maybe > some NET-newspaper) that Norway manufactured in mid-50's napalm made > from whale-based oil. Their main purpose was to make napalm, what would > be useful in northern parts of NATO area, but because none showed any > interest to this napalm, norwegians dropped this experiment. Article > mentioned also that even though this napalm burned better than american > napalm, there was some difficulties (can't really remember, maybe in air > bombings), but they used this napalm to simulate, hmmm... what's that > word, well some kind of nuclear explosion without using real A-bombs... Hmm... Didn't know that, seems to be another good reason to keep whaling. By the way, do you remember what kind of whale the oil was made of? _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 06:15:38 PST From: "Teemu Niemi" Subject: Re: Newbie with a question Sorry, what I remember, they didn't mention any what kind of whale they used :). All I remember is what I wrote (including that Norway built a factory for this new napalm, and it went down under after Norway's NATO allies weren't interested that new version). All napalm, what was manufactured before factory's closing, was put into warehouses in some Norwegian defence department (can't remember what...bad memory) and they have used this napalm mostly in major military happenings...(If you know what I mean) >Hmm... Didn't know that, seems to be another good >reason to keep whaling. >By the way, do you remember what kind of whale the >oil was made of? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 06:15:18 PST From: "Teemu Niemi" Subject: Re: Newbie with a question Sorry, what I remember, they didn't mention any what kind of whale they used :). All I remember is what I wrote (including that Norway built a factory for this new napalm, and it went down under after Norway's NATO allies weren't interested that new version). All napalm, what was manufactured before factory's closing, was put into warehouses in some Norwegian defence department (can't remember what...bad memory) and they have used this napalm mostly in major military happenings...(If you know what I mean) >Hmm... Didn't know that, seems to be another good >reason to keep whaling. >By the way, do you remember what kind of whale the >oil was made of? >_____________________________________________________________________ >Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:36:22 +0100 From: johnson@hrem.mpi-stuttgart.mpg.de Subject: Question on C-141 cargo capacity I have a question on the cargo capacity for a C-141 transport. I'm working on a adventure idea right now. What could 3 C-141 Starlifters carry in terms of men and equipment in one-way TransAltlantic flight ? Thinks in terms of strictly airborne troops (U.S 82nd) and equipment like Hummers and FAVs nothing armor. Andy Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:07:22 EST From: KAPPAABZ Subject: Re: Newbie with a question In a message dated 97-10-30 10:06:26 EST, you write: > and WP rounds have been > "outlawed" by the Geneva Convention when used as an antipersonnel > weapon. Correct. But you can use them to destroy enemy equipment. Such as helmets, dog tags, boots, etc, etc, > that It was designed from the very beginning to be a very brutal >antipersonnel weapon Actually............it's intended purpose was as a defoiliant(sp?) or at least that was how it was passed into service............... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:18:29 EST From: KAPPAABZ Subject: Re: Question on C-141 cargo capacity In a message dated 97-10-30 18:00:42 EST, you write: > I have a question on the cargo capacity for a C-141 transport. I'm working on a adventure idea right now. What could 3 C-141 Starlifters carry in terms of men and equipment in one-way TransAltlantic flight ? Thinks in terms of > strictly airborne troops (U.S 82nd) and equipment like Hummers and FAVs nothing armor. Funny you should ask .................... I went transatlantic with the 82nd during the little desert conflict we had a few years ago........as I recall............... it took like five c141's to lift 120 men, 6 hmmvs , and a buttload (about 20) palets full of equipment over there. On my flight there was about 25 personnel (flight crew excluded) a Hmmv and trailer and 2 palets full of gear................ and it was a long freeaking trip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:20:03 EST From: KAPPAABZ Subject: FAVs was (Re: Question on C-141 cargo capacity) In a message dated 97-10-30 18:00:42 EST, you write: > Thinks in terms of strictly > airborne troops (U.S 82nd) and equipment like Hummers and FAVs nothing armor. > > ya know, I don't remember seeing any favs in the 82nd.................. and I spent some time on the gates checking every vehicle enter and leave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:39:35 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: Question on C-141 cargo capacity Here's the stats from the Nautical/Aviation handbook: Load: 40 tons Crew 5 + 200 (or 150 paratroopers) There are of course more stats, but these relate to you're question (Thence 450 paratroopers, and 120 tons of you're heart's desire...)... On the load, the only thing you'd need to keep in mind is the size of the vehicles10.. >I have a question on the cargo capacity for a C-141 transport. I'm >working on a >adventure idea right now. What could 3 C-141 Starlifters carry in terms >of men >and equipment in one-way TransAltlantic flight ? Thinks in terms of strictly >airborne troops (U.S 82nd) and equipment like Hummers and FAVs nothing >armor. > > > > Andy Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:54:54 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Web Ring >http://members.aol.com/OrrinLadd/index.html Ok, I've added a link to you're page on mine own. I figure the best way for all of us to maintian a Twilight: 2000 'web ring' is to sort of create a generic one. In that I mean, we link to one another's sitez, so that should some unlucky soul stumble upon one of our pages, they'll be lead to the whole lot of them. Btw, for everyone else: There are some good links on Orrin's page, some hitherto I had not known of. Just in case the question comes up, there are some Twilight pages that are on the inet, that I've left off my links page. My only bias in putting up a URL is that the page contain some relevant information on the game (e.g. other than only someone's personal experiences with the game). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:50:40 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: On the C-141... I was just rereading Kappaabz's response, just to clarify any confusion on my previous response (and it's perhaps seemingly contradiction with what Kappaabz said); the 150 paratrooper limit is considering that no additional cargo is being carried, other than gear essential to the personell (eg. thier harnesses/packs, ect ect.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:09:31 -0500 (EST) From: "R. Vogt" Subject: Re: Web Ring If you guys wish to create an "official" webring, try going to this page and see if they can help out a little: http://www.webring.org/ Just trying to help out a little. At 10:54 PM 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >>http://members.aol.com/OrrinLadd/index.html > >Ok, I've added a link to you're page on mine own. I figure the best way for >all of us to maintian a Twilight: 2000 'web ring' is to sort of create a >generic one. In that I mean, we link to one another's sitez, so that should >some unlucky soul stumble upon one of our pages, they'll be lead to the >whole lot of them. > > Btw, for everyone else: There are some good links on Orrin's page, some >hitherto I had not known of. > > Just in case the question comes up, there are some Twilight pages that are >on the inet, that I've left off my links page. My only bias in putting up a >URL is that the page contain some relevant information on the game (e.g. >other than only someone's personal experiences with the game). > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/1804 http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/6095 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:13:31 From: Pedro Arnal Puente Subject: vehicles as payloads... Hello all Do anybody know how many cargo load and volume use normal US Army vehicles in air transports or cargo ships? Hummers, Brads, m113 (yes, spanish army uses them)... Some standard cargo pallet for smaller vehicles? Fast cargo systems? ...Win95: Chorrada o no, usted decide. *Saludos Mercenarios. Pedro Arnal Puente* *Internet: parnal@lander.es************** *http://www.lander.es/%7Eparnal/********* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:12:29 From: Pedro Arnal Puente Subject: Hello All, lurker goes writer... Hello all in tw2k ml I have been reading the list for some time, and, before posting first time, i would like to say hello... I am a spanish (from NATOs southern member, spain) long time tw2k 1st edition referee, now using autofire and adapted blast rules from second edition. Veteran referee of krakow (2 times), Gateway to spanish main, Last sub, armies of the night and now my own campaign with british 19 IB in Hannover during winter 2001. ...Win95: Chorrada o no, usted decide. *Saludos Mercenarios. Pedro Arnal Puente* *Internet: parnal@lander.es************** *http://www.lander.es/%7Eparnal/********* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:09:07 From: Pedro Arnal Puente Subject: Re: Question on C-141 cargo capacity Hello all >I have a question on the cargo capacity for a C-141 transport. I'm working on a >adventure idea right now. What could 3 C-141 Starlifters carry in terms of men >and equipment in one-way TransAltlantic flight ? Thinks in terms of strictly >airborne troops (U.S 82nd) and equipment like Hummers and FAVs nothing armor. C141A (until june 1982) Cargo bay: 21.34x2.74(height)x3.05(wide) Max cargo: 42.6 tm 154 troopers or 123 paratroopers 10 pallets (2.24x2.74) C141B (last c141A converted to B in june 1982) Cargo bay: 28.44x2.77x3.11 Max cargo: 41.25 tm about 205 troopers or 164 paratroopers 13 pallets (2.24x2.74) Inflight refuelling cap. ...Win95: Chorrada o no, usted decide. *Saludos Mercenarios. Pedro Arnal Puente* *Internet: parnal@lander.es************** *http://www.lander.es/%7Eparnal/********* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:44:46 +0100 From: johnson@hrem.mpi-stuttgart.mpg.de Subject: Re: Question on C-141 cargo capacity Thank you for the huge response on my email. That should help me with my ideas. Andy Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:56:44 -0500 (EST) From: OrrinLadd@aol.com Subject: Fwd:Humour... How the armed forces deal with reptiles.... < > *THE DIFFERENTIAL THEORY OF ARMY SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCES* > > Upon encountering a snake in the Area of Operation (AO): > > - Leg: Runs screaming away from the snake. > > - Paratrooper: Kills the snake. > > - Armor: Runs over snake, giggles, and looks for more snakes. > > - Infantry: "Look, a putty cat. Come 'ere kitty....Ouch] Hey, That's not a kitty cat." > > - Infantry (alt): Ugh] Me See Snake. Me Like Snake. Ouch] Me No Like Snake. > > - Army Aviation: Has GPS grid to snake. Couldn't find snake. Back to base for crew rest and a manicure.. > > - Ranger: Plays with the snake, then eats it. > > - Ranger (alt): Assaults the snake's home and secures it for use by friendly snakes. > > - SEAL: Expends all ammunition, several grenades and calls for naval gunfire in a failed attempt to kill the snake. The snake bites the SEAL then retreats to safety. > > - Corps Artillery: Kills snake, but in the process kills several > hundred civilians with a massive TOT with three FA BDEs in support. > Mission is considered a success and all participants are awarded > Silver Stars. (Cooks, Mechanics, Legal Clerks etc.) > > - Marine Recon: Follows the snake and gets lost. > > - Combat Controller: Guides the snake elsewhere. > > - Para-rescue: Wounds the snake in first encounter, then feverishly works to save the snakes life. > - Engineer: Studies snake. Prepares in-depth doctrinal thesis in > obscure 5 series FM about how to defeat snake using counter-mobil ity > assets. Complains that maneuver forces don't understand how to > properly conduct doctrinal counter snake operations. (Engineer School > tries to hide the fact that M9 ACE proves ineffective against snake) > > - Special Forces: Makes contact with the snake, builds rapport, wins > its heart and mind, then trains it to kill other snakes. DWH Manic Moran Forget the bullet with your name on it, it's the one addressed 'To Whom it concerns' that you should worry about. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:03:39 -0500 (EST) From: OrrinLadd@aol.com Subject: Humour... How the armed forces deal with reptiles.... sorry hit the wrong button, that was forwarded courtesy the command decision mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:18:27 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: Fwd:Humour... How the armed forces deal with reptiles.... he he he.... For those who celebrate Halloween, have a happy one! :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:38:18 EST From: KAPPAABZ Subject: Re: vehicles as payloads... In a message dated 97-10-31 10:59:42 EST, you write: > > Do anybody know how many cargo load and volume use normal US Army vehicles > in air transports or cargo ships? > > Hummers, Brads, m113 (yes, spanish army uses them)... > > Some standard cargo pallet for smaller vehicles? > > Fast cargo systems? (tapping the PRC-77) Um..........say again, didn't copy last transmission ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:36:33 EST From: KAPPAABZ Subject: Re: On the C-141... In a message dated 97-10-31 06:33:54 EST, you write: > I was just rereading Kappaabz's response, just to clarify any > confusion on my previous response (and it's perhaps seemingly contradiction > with what Kappaabz said); the 150 paratrooper limit is considering that no > additional cargo is being carried, other than gear essential to the > personell (eg. thier harnesses/packs, ect ect.) roger that ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:39:56 EST From: KAPPAABZ Subject: Re: Hello All, lurker goes writer... In a message dated 97-10-31 11:04:36 EST, you write: > I am a spanish (from NATOs southern member, spain) long time tw2k 1st > edition referee, now using autofire and adapted blast rules from second > edition. Veteran referee of krakow (2 times), Gateway to spanish main, Last > sub, armies of the night and now my own campaign with british 19 IB in > Hannover during winter 2001. Cool. 1st edition um.......................basically rules. Tell us how your Krakow campaigns went............. I'd like to hear it and perhaps another soul on this list would as well ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:16:29 -0800 From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: Web Ring >If you guys wish to create an "official" webring, try going to this page and >see if they can help out a little: > > http://www.webring.org/ > > Just trying to help out a little. Thanks for the info. Not a bad idea, but I see some potential problems.... It's sorta like that counter craze maybe 1-2 years ago, so many ppl got one that the site offering them went down again and again... I would think the same thing would happen here too. I'm willing to give it a shot if some others are interested... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:04:18 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Callahan Subject: Re: Web Ring Greetings All: > Thanks for the info. Not a bad idea, but I see some potential problems.... > It's sorta like that counter craze maybe 1-2 years ago, so many ppl got one > that the site offering them went down again and again... I would think the > same thing would happen here too. > I'm willing to give it a shot if some others are interested... I personally feel that webrings are evil. One complaint I have is that you never know what kind of site you will be taken to next. I prefer the format that I try to use at my sites (which desperately need to be updated and improved :), where a list of links is broken down into categories, with a brief description of what can be found there. - -C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:19:53 From: Pedro Arnal Puente Subject: Re: vehicles as payloads... Hello all >> Fast cargo systems? > >(tapping the PRC-77) Um..........say again, didn't copy last transmission Err, sorry... Fast load/unload procedures? ...Win95: Chorrada o no, usted decide. *Saludos Mercenarios. Pedro Arnal Puente* *Internet: parnal@lander.es************** *http://www.lander.es/%7Eparnal/********* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:56:56 +0200 From: Pietu Subject: Gulf Hi, pals, what are you thinking about situation at/in Persian Gulf? Mr. Pietu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 07:08:06 PST From: "Teemu Niemi" Subject: Re: Gulf Ahem, Are you meaning situation now or back then in "Gulf War" ?? Niemi >Hi, pals, what are you thinking about situation at/in Persian Gulf? > >Mr. Pietu ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:24:07 -0800 From: Hale Subject: Re: Gulf Pietu wrote: > Hi, pals, what are you thinking about situation at/in Persian Gulf? Do you mean the 1990 war or some current situation. If it is a current situation, let me know what's up, as I haven't been watching the news. TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 12:40:11 -0800 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: Gulf Pietu wrote: > > Hi, pals, what are you thinking about situation at/in Persian Gulf? > > Mr. Pietu As the saying goes, "Those that do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it." I believe that Saddam Hussein is about to recieve a first hand example of this wise (and very true) historical warning. On a side note, i personally feel that if things heat up and there are more military actions taken in the Gulf that hussein and his band of followers are eliminated with extreme prejudice. They have been running around causing trouble for just too long!;) ~Cbrody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:24:13 -0800 (PST) From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: Gulf > Hi, pals, what are you thinking about situation at/in Persian Gulf? Check out article on CNN.com, main page. It appears they're talking with the U.N. now. He's been pulling this sort of shit for the past six years, probably nothing to get excited about... until whatever he is hiding is launched... On Iran, I don't think to much will come of that either. War games aren't enough to start a war, especially considering most other countries in the world practice them (The U.S. however, gives 'special consideration' to the Middle East). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:56:20 -0600 From: shonnie holmes Subject: Re: Question on C-141 cargo capacity Dear Johnson, 1. 1,000 pallets of gummy bears, to cause major tooth decay; this will mentally offset the enemies ability to think with clearancy. 2. 5,000 pallets of Channel #5, all asmathic persons will fall into fatal comas. 3. 1 million copies of the quad-city Times, will put them to sleep. 4. Fill final space with all males , ages 14 years to 22 years and let them type. How old are you. johnson@hrem.mpi-stuttgart.mpg.de wrote: > I have a question on the cargo capacity for a C-141 transport. I'm working on a > adventure idea right now. What could 3 C-141 Starlifters carry in terms of men > and equipment in one-way TransAltlantic flight ? Thinks in terms of strictly > airborne troops (U.S 82nd) and equipment like Hummers and FAVs nothing armor. > > Andy Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:04:32 -0600 From: shonnie holmes Subject: Re: Newbie with a question Narvie, It's a little know class a secret, this is what has led to the extermination of the spotted dump back. Keep this under your hat, but.....if you collect the bones and boil for 6 hours at 380; add 1 pound butter, a pinch of salt, EASY on the pepper. Now drinks this and you will become sick. Narve wrote: > ---Teemu Niemi wrote: > > > > Excuse me, if I some how interfere here, but I read > somewhere (maybe > > some NET-newspaper) that Norway manufactured in > mid-50's napalm made > > from whale-based oil. Their main purpose was to > make napalm, what would > > be useful in northern parts of NATO area, but > because none showed any > > interest to this napalm, norwegians dropped this > experiment. Article > > mentioned also that even though this napalm burned > better than american > > napalm, there was some difficulties (can't really > remember, maybe in air > > bombings), but they used this napalm to simulate, > hmmm... what's that > > word, well some kind of nuclear explosion without > using real A-bombs... > > Hmm... Didn't know that, seems to be another good > reason to keep whaling. > By the way, do you remember what kind of whale the > oil was made of? > _____________________________________________________________________ > Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 10:50:55 +0200 From: Pietu Subject: Current Gulf I was meaning current situation at Persian Gulf. ( Little peaceful right now, I think. ) Mr. Pietu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 03:45:03 -0500 (EST) From: OrrinLadd@aol.com Subject: Fwd: M1 Amhpibious capability...(?!) got this from the command decision list. anybody know what he's talking about? - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: nicholas_moran@ie.ibm.com Sender: owner-cdmailer@primenet.com Reply-to: cdmailer@primenet.com To: cdmailer@primenet.com Date: 97-11-05 15:03:44 EST Date: 03/11/97 3:23 PM Subject: M1 Amhpibious capability...(?!) Hail All! Was watching a video clip of M1s in action, and in one scene, taken from what looks to be a camera strapped to the 50 cal at the Commander's hatch, the Abrams dives off a landing craft, and as befits its 65 ton weight promptly sinks. (To well over the top of the turret) ..Change view to another angle, and one sees the tank driving out of the water onto a beach with this great big schnorkel on the engine deck. Is this an experiment, or a feature common only to the Marines' tanks or all M1s? Should there be an 's' after the movement ratings? NTM Forget the bullet with your name on it, it's the one addressed 'To Whom it concerns' that you should worry about. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:27:15 -0800 (PST) From: Narve Subject: Re: Newbie with a question - ---shonnie holmes wrote: > but.....if you collect the bones and boil for 6 hours at 380; add 1 pound > butter, a pinch of salt, EASY on the pepper. Now drinks this and you will > become sick. Doubt it. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 10:12:39 -0800 From: Hale Subject: Re: Fwd: M1 Amhpibious capability...(?!) OrrinLadd@aol.com wrote: > Subject: M1 Amhpibious capability...(?!) > Was watching a video clip of M1s in action, and in one scene, taken > from what looks to be a camera strapped to the 50 cal at the > Commander's hatch, the Abrams dives off a landing craft, and as befits > its 65 ton weight promptly sinks. (To well over the top of the turret) > ..Change view to another angle, and one sees the tank driving out of the > water onto a beach with this great big schnorkel on the engine deck. Is > this an experiment, or a feature common only to the Marines' tanks or > all M1s? Should there be an 's' after the movement ratings? I wouldn't be suprised if it was a feature on the marine version. Aren't the marines suppose to be equiped with M1 series by, I think 98 or 99? TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1996 #61 ************************************