twilight2000-digest Wednesday, October 29 1997 Volume 1996 : Number 060 The following topics are covered in this digest: Re: Question Re: Question Re: M2k mission Re: M2k mission HEAT/HESH, Tantalus/2300 Sites and things VS: Question Re: VS: Question Re: VS: Question Re: Question 1st Edition Re: Question Re: 1st Edition Computer Version Re: Question Re: 1st Edition Re: 1st Edition Re: Question Re: 1st Edition Re: 1st Edition Re: Question Re: Computer Version Re: Computer Version Re: 1st Edition Re: 1st Edition Re: 1st Edition Merc 2000 ideas Re: 1st Edition Re: 1st Edition Re: 1st Edition Re: Merc 2000 ideas Re: Merc 2000 ideas The Battle of Kalisz SV: The Battle of Kalisz Re: The Battle of Kalisz Re: SV: The Battle of Kalisz TW 2k webring Test-Please Ignore Re: The Battle of Kalisz Re: TW 2k webring Re: The Battle of Kalisz Re: The Battle of Kalisz RE: Question Re: The Battle of Kalisz Re: The Battle of Kalisz I'm back!-Twilight campaign update Re: VS: Question Newbie with a question Re: Newbie with a question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:47:41 -0400 (EDT) From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Question In a message dated 97-10-08 00:31:42 EDT, you write: > I was thinking of starting a new > Twilight game, and was wondering if anyone had ever played a game other than post World War 3? Perhaps World War 2? Or perhaps a war that never > happened? Hmm.....as a matter of fact, we had discussed this very subject....WWII-wise anyway. >Or just some operations that resulted in something more > interesting? MORE INTERESTING? mercy..........um Idunno what you find more interesting, but if you take the war - piece by piece....it is extremely interesting. Do this, play WWIII, not it's aftermath. I run a twilight 1997 campaign where you are in the war, TAC nukes haven't been launched yet (but very very soon), PCs have air support, etc., etc., and it makes for a very interesting and long campaign...... > I want to start a game the may be set in the past some time, as opposed to >the future. or the present? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:54:17 -0400 (EDT) From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Question In a message dated 97-10-08 05:02:21 EDT, you write: > I believe there was a roleplaying game awhile back set in Vietnam, or > maybe that was just GURPS. Recon, and revised recon were the 2 games. Conversly, an old T2000 version 1 author Tom Mulkey (GAteway to the Spanish MAin, Urban Guerilla) created a t2000 variant twilight 1969. I played it at numerous conventions in the late 80's early 90's and have a great deal of source material for it. It is a good game to pick up on a saturday night, with little prior campaign development............................ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:29:42 -0700 From: Hale Subject: Re: M2k mission Christopher Callahan wrote: > I read yesterday of some events which occurred last week in the > former Jugoslavia that sounded interesting. Apparently some supporters of > the former Serb leader Karadzic were broadcasting programs which were > sympathetic to his position. The UN didn't like that, so "Peacekeeping > Forces" stormed 4 television stations and turned them over to current Serb > President Plavsic. Sounds like a Merc mission to me; I am surprised the UN > would be overtly involved. > PS- As far as I can tell, the broadcasters were guilty of nothing more > than airing "distortions" about the Dayton Peace Accords. Obviously I have > been confused, as I thought that securing the safety and personal freedoms > of the Croatian, Serbian, and Muslim people was, y'know, THE POINT OF US > BEING OVER THERE. Apparently one has the right to freedom of speech so > long as any and all statements are pre-approved by the proper United > Nations Commission. For answers to questions on why the UN doesn't like free speech or private ownership of firearms, read their charter. For those who enjoy the writings of Stalin, you'll love the UN charter. TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:15:46 -0400 (EDT) From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: M2k mission In a message dated 97-10-08 02:49:10 EDT, you write: > "Peacekeeping > Forces" stormed 4 television stations and turned them over to current Serb > President Plavsic Hmm.......my old MP unit has just arrived there for a nine month tour................... too bad im not going ;-] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 00:58:44 -0700 From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson) Subject: HEAT/HESH, Tantalus/2300 Hello, >Subject: Re: PzKw Maus > >In a message dated 97-09-26 05:52:58 EDT, bdmahan@earthlink.net (Mark) > writes: > ><< HCS Hollow Charge Shell >> is that the same as a "squash >head" round? A squash head (HESH) goes for kills on heavy armour by inducing spalling from a (low-velocity) HE payload flattening into a patty on the target surface before detonating. HCS/HEAT achieves internal system damage by penetrating the armour plate with a narrow, high pressure jet of molten copper (moving approx. 20,000 kph?). We can also now anticipate the joys of using slef-forging fragments, which vaguely resemble HEAT except that the hyper-velocity penetrating agent is an explosively formed/projected blob of heavy metal. >years now?) (4) Is Tantalus going to do anything with the other titles >they bought from GDW (Dark Conspiracy, and wasn't there one more?) "2300 AD". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:42:55 -0400 From: Mitchell Schwartz Subject: Sites and things At 12:07 PM 10/8/97 -0400, Malachi Clark wrote: > I am new to the list, but here goes... I was thinking of starting a new >Twilight game, and was wondering if anyone had ever played a game other than >post World War 3? Perhaps World War 2? I wrote a german commando mission set in WW2; certainly there is small arms information to set missions or possibly campaigns in anywhere between 1930 and the near future. To run a campaign, you may well have to adjust character generation, since at any given time or place, background or employment selections would be quite different. In my adventure, I created the characters to avoid the creation issues. Bones of Napoleon: http://world.std.com/~Ted7/bones.htm (Coming soon to my web page: a background for Yugoslavia:2000 and two versions of an adventure; one for T2K, the other for M2K) Chris asks: >I was wondering something..... >for all of you with twilight sites............ >do you have active links to the other ones who also have twilight sites? The 2300 AD crowd built themselves a webring. Does anyone know how to build one? If I ask some of the 2300 folks and learn how, would you web siters be willing? (contact me directly at Ted7@world.std.com). mitch Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing in the tempting place. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) Official: Unofficial: mitch@intersys.com Ted7@world.std.com http://www.intersys.com http://world.std.com/~Ted7 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:18:20 +-200 From: Jyrki Paajanen Subject: VS: Question We have been played Persian Gulf-scenario, were players are U.S Ranger?s in south-side of Iraq. Because I havent got any information about special-missions in Iraq, all my missions have been typical "Kill them all" scenarios. I really dont invent anything else. Was there any real-life special-missions in Gulf? Sorry for my Very bad english. " Mr. Nobody " Read the "Bravo 020" by Andy McNab. In that book a British SAS team is send to Iraq to find launching sites of Scuds and to destroy them and the connecting communication lines. Jyrki Paajanen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:29:38 -0700 From: Mad Mike Subject: Re: VS: Question Jyrki Paajanen wrote: > > We have been played Persian Gulf-scenario, were players are U.S > Ranger?s in south-side of Iraq. Because I havent got any information about > special-missions in Iraq, all my missions have been typical "Kill them all" > scenarios. I really dont invent anything else. Was there any real-life > special-missions in Gulf? Largely classified. US Special Forces Teams (5th SFG) and SFOD Delta were sent in the Gulf to fulfill a variety of missions. A)Making contact with peoples who do not find Saddam Huessein a very palatable leader and the enemy of thy enemy is thy friend espeically in occupied Kuwait. B)Providing long range reconnaisance and information almost on the strategic periphery. And c)finding targeting and destroying mobile SCUD systems due to the natuire of the threat. Add SEALs and various special operation sqadrons of the USAF and the 160th SOAR there was more than enough SF roles for everybody despite the general skepticism of conventional soldiers to unconventional warriors. Everybody remembers Vietnam and Green Berets are never a substitue for infantry. Getting to the second point until Bill Clinton's regime Rangers have always been considered eilite light airmobile light infantry. Ranger school puts emphasis on the art of patrolling, battalion and company sized infiltration, and generally all the skills that marching with a rifle in hand requires. > Read the "Bravo 020" by Andy McNab. In that book a British SAS team is send > to Iraq to find launching sites of Scuds and to destroy them and the > connecting communication lines. It's Bravo Two Zero and it seems that McNab's team didn't have the same support as other SF units had then again SF are supposed to be largely self sustaining... Mad Mike - -- "May God bless your bayonets that they may penetrate deep into the entrails of your enemies. May the Almighty in His great righteousness direct your artillery fire upon the heads of the enemy staffs. Merciful God, grant that all our enemies may be stifled amid their own blood, from the wounds which we inflict upon them."- Geza Szatmur Budafal, Archbishop of Budapest, "The Good Soldier Schweik" by Jaroslav Hacek ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:19:34 +0200 From: Pietu Subject: Re: VS: Question A > >Read the "Bravo 020" by Andy McNab. In that book a British SAS team is send >to Iraq to find launching sites of Scuds and to destroy them and the >connecting communication lines. > >Jyrki Paajanen > Allready did it. It was very good book. " Mr. Nobody " ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:50:41 -0400 (EDT) From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Question In a message dated 97-10-08 13:07:16 EDT, you write: > Because I havent got any information about > special-missions in Iraq, all my missions have been typical "Kill them all" > scenarios. I really dont invent anything else. Was there any real-life > special-missions in Gulf? Sure were....what would you like to know? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:20:00 -0400 From: Joseph Subject: 1st Edition I prefer this to 2nd, I think the ease of two dice is amazing. Combat is a little technical but provides awesome detail. I am also looking for new Soviet vehicle stats for 1st edition if anyone has them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:40:51 +0200 From: Pietu Subject: Re: Question At 12:50 10.10.1997 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-10-08 13:07:16 EDT, you write: > >> Because I havent got any information about >> special-missions in Iraq, all my missions have been typical "Kill them >all" >> scenarios. I really dont invent anything else. Was there any real-life >> special-missions in Gulf? > >Sure were....what would you like to know? Well, everything. Hymm. I have heard that U.S Army`s scouts used clothes with a very odd camoflage. Camoflage was something like Predator-style( In movie ). Is this true or just my friend joke? " Mr. Nobody " ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:14:57 -0700 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: 1st Edition Joseph wrote: > > I prefer this to 2nd, I think the ease of two dice is amazing. Combat is > a little technical but provides awesome detail. I am also looking for > new Soviet vehicle stats for 1st edition if anyone has them. Over my years of playing TW2000 both 1st and 2nd Editions, I have found numerous types of equipment missing from the equipment lists and supplement manuals. To remedy this situation, I have begun to develop stas for weapons, vehiciles and equipment that was left out of the published lists... Therefore, if there is a particular piece of equipment or vehicle you are interested in, let me know! ~Cbrody ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:26:34 +0100 From: S712671 Subject: Computer Version Hi, This Gait from Holland. I'm searching for the computer version of twilight 2000 which I had 5 years ago. If anyone of you has got it would that person then be so kind to send me an e-mail at G.J.Winkel@kub.nl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:55:09 -0700 From: Mad Mike Subject: Re: Question Pietu wrote: > Hymm. I have heard that U.S Army`s scouts used clothes with a very odd > camoflage. Camoflage was something like Predator-style( In movie ). Is this > true or just my friend joke? Er- no. Technology ahsn't reached that point where adpative photoelectronic camoflague can be used by grunts. The US did field a new desert night pattern with crisscrossed black on green which does help break up slihouettes through image intesnifying night vision devices and snipers have been using ghillie suits for a long time- being able to look like vegetation. Good camoflauge has always depended on slow movement and good noise discipline and patience. Camo clothing does help break up a pattern and makes people harder to see that's not gonna help that much if you're running out in the open and blasting everything you see with your rifle... Mad Mike - -- "May God bless your bayonets that they may penetrate deep into the entrails of your enemies. May the Almighty in His great righteousness direct your artillery fire upon the heads of the enemy staffs. Merciful God, grant that all our enemies may be stifled amid their own blood, from the wounds which we inflict upon them."- Geza Szatmur Budafal, Archbishop of Budapest, "The Good Soldier Schweik" by Jaroslav Hacek ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:46:39 -0700 From: Hale Subject: Re: 1st Edition Chris Brody wrote: > Over my years of playing TW2000 both 1st and 2nd Editions, I have found > numerous types of equipment missing from the equipment lists and > supplement manuals. To remedy this situation, I have begun to develop > stas for weapons, vehiciles and equipment that was left out of the > published lists... Therefore, if there is a particular piece of > equipment or vehicle you are interested in, let me know! I for one would be interested in ANY & ALL Weapons, Vehicles, or other Equipment that have ready for T2K2.2. TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:44:33 -0700 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: 1st Edition Hale wrote: > > Chris Brody wrote: > > Over my years of playing TW2000 both 1st and 2nd Editions, I have found > > numerous types of equipment missing from the equipment lists and > > supplement manuals. To remedy this situation, I have begun to develop > > stas for weapons, vehiciles and equipment that was left out of the > > published lists... Therefore, if there is a particular piece of > > equipment or vehicle you are interested in, let me know! > > I for one would be interested in ANY & ALL Weapons, Vehicles, or other > Equipment that have ready for T2K2.2. > TTFN > Ron Hale I have a number of weapons on the web in the site of Saul Basgen. This is a very well done site that you should find interesting. Here is the address, take a look, new gear pops up all the time: http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Twilight.html If there are any specific pieces of equipment you are interested in, please let me know, I'd be glad to "hook you up"! ~Cbrody ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:24:03 -0400 (EDT) From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Question In a message dated 97-10-16 06:46:04 EDT, you write: > The US did field a > new desert night pattern with crisscrossed black on green which does > help > break up slihouettes through image intesnifying night vision devices how new is that?? I remember wearing it a few years ago ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:01:49 -0400 (EDT) From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: 1st Edition In a message dated 97-10-16 06:46:10 EDT, you write: > Therefore, if there is a particular piece of > equipment or vehicle you are interested in, let me know! how about emailing myself (privately) or the list the equipment list? I think, personally, the amount of weapons & vehicles presented in the t2000 game (and it's various sourcebooks) is comprehensive enough for most Referees and players, however the lack of "gear" has always made me say, "why wasn't there a equipment sourcebook?"............................. HEY...............now there's an idea............................ perhaps a net book of equipment (civilian and military)? anyone want to contribute to the project? C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:31:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: 1st Edition > how about emailing myself (privately) or the list the equipment list? > > I think, personally, the amount of weapons & vehicles presented in the t2000 > game (and it's various sourcebooks) is comprehensive enough for most Referees > and players, I agree, but most is an imperative word. however the lack of "gear" has always made me say, "why wasn't > there a equipment sourcebook?"............................. > HEY...............now there's an idea............................ > perhaps a net book of equipment (civilian and military)? > anyone want to contribute to the project? True enough. The section dedicated to Equipment in the Twilight Source book is pretty damned meager... I don't have any time to find material, but to anyone who does I'd be happy to post it (though I have alot of weapons and such that I have not yet been posted...). I plan on putting alot up this comming weekend... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:33:48 -0400 (EDT) From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Question In a message dated 97-10-16 22:50:53 EDT, you write: > Well, everything. sorry, most of it is still classified......................................... BUT................................................ There were quite a few long term recon missions inside iraq. where the teams would burry themselves in "mobile-home" type structures and sit there for weeks. One team had to be extracted early because a child stumbled onto the observation hole, and the SF guys had a conscious...instead of killing the child they opted to bug out. It got quite hairy during the extraction, though..... And then there's the question of how did the laser guided bombs reach the correct (most of the time) targets in/near bagdad? Because US Special OPerations teams were there with their target designators (for some of them)...... paitently waiting for the armchair combat veterans' comments, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:43:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JTIFFER@aol.com Subject: Re: Computer Version Ditto on that one. I can't find that game anywhere, not even at the really cheap computer stores with vastly outdated merchandise. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 01:13:43 -0400 (EDT) From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Computer Version In a message dated 97-10-18 13:11:17 EDT, you write: > > This Gait from Holland. I'm searching for the computer version of > twilight 2000 which I had 5 years ago. If anyone of you has got it would > that person then be so kind to send me an e-mail at G.J.Winkel@kub.nl got it, with manuals and map even ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:57:30 -0700 From: Hale Subject: Re: 1st Edition KAPPAABZ@aol.com wrote: > how about emailing myself (privately) or the list the equipment list? Ditto. > I think, personally, the amount of weapons & vehicles presented in the t2000 > game (and it's various sourcebooks) is comprehensive enough for most Referees > and players, however the lack of "gear" has always made me say, "why wasn't > there a equipment sourcebook?"............................. > HEY...............now there's an idea............................ > perhaps a net book of equipment (civilian and military)? > anyone want to contribute to the project? I'ld give it a try. TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:41:16 -0400 (EDT) From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: 1st Edition In a message dated 97-10-19 17:27:29 EDT, you write: > I'ld give it a try ok, that's 2 of us............................ anyone else? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:57:20 -0600 From: "Tom Opgenorth" Subject: Re: 1st Edition You could count me in. - -----Original Message----- From: To: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Date: October 19, 1997 5:21 PM Subject: Re: 1st Edition >In a message dated 97-10-19 17:27:29 EDT, you write: > >> I'ld give it a try > >ok, >that's 2 of us............................ > >anyone else? For ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 19:34:42 +0100 From: Christopher Alan Cranston <9607794c@student.gla.ac.uk> Subject: Merc 2000 ideas I'd like to say hello to all the members of the list, since this is my first post (although I have been subscribed for about a year). Anyway, I was wondering if someone could direct me to material that would be useful in the planning and design of a Merc 2000 game, whether it be books (fiction or non-fiction), web addresses, films e.t.c. Also, how many people are subscribed to this list ? and are there any other Scots? Chris. 9607794c@student.gla.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:28:47 -0700 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: 1st Edition KAPPAABZ@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-10-19 17:27:29 EDT, you write: > > > I'ld give it a try > > ok, > that's 2 of us............................ > > anyone else? "Yes sir. Awaiting further instructions..." ~Cbrody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:25:01 -0700 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: 1st Edition KAPPAABZ@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-10-16 06:46:10 EDT, you write: > > > Therefore, if there is a particular piece of > > equipment or vehicle you are interested in, let me know! > > how about emailing myself (privately) or the list the equipment list? > > I think, personally, the amount of weapons & vehicles presented in the t2000 > game (and it's various sourcebooks) is comprehensive enough for most Referees > and players, however the lack of "gear" has always made me say, "why wasn't > there a equipment sourcebook?"............................. > HEY...............now there's an idea............................ > perhaps a net book of equipment (civilian and military)? > anyone want to contribute to the project? > > C "I'm there!" ~Cbrody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:33:44 -0400 (EDT) From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: 1st Edition In a message dated 97-10-19 19:08:56 EDT, you write: > I don't have any time to find material, > but to anyone who does I'd be happy to post it roger that. I'll go ahead and start drafting the format used and start gathering the limitations for said source / net book. Any others interested in the equipment "sourcebook" please feel free to email me privately......... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:15:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: Merc 2000 ideas Hello, Anyway, I >was wondering if someone could direct me to material that would be useful >in the planning and design of a Merc 2000 game, whether it be books >(fiction or non-fiction), web addresses, films e.t.c. The only thing I've been able to find on the web about MERC is this: http://members.aol.com/lebaroud/MercWorld.htm but I havn't looked all that hard... you'll probably be able to find more sites... Also, how many people >are subscribed to this list ? You can send mail to: owner-twilight2000@lists.MPGN.COM he'll probably have the answer for you. In a note to everyone else; I've added some additional weapons (http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Weapons.html) to the site, thanks again to Chris Brody. Also I've added a chapter out of the Ranger's Handbook (http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Ranger.html). Saul _____________________________________________________________________ Saul Basgen http://www.seattleu.edu/~musides/Soviet.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 04:04:55 -0400 (EDT) From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Merc 2000 ideas In a message dated 97-10-21 01:23:29 EDT, you write: > You can send mail to: owner-twilight2000@lists.MPGN.COM > he'll probably have the answer for you. > AND you can email: Majordomo@MPGN.com body reads who Twilight2000 it'll give you a list of the email addressees that R subscribed to the list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:41:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Saul Basgen Subject: The Battle of Kalisz Hello, I was curious if anyone had the Twilight: 2000 original boxed set. In it, there is a little booklet called the Battle Of Kalisz. If anyone has it, please let me know. Thanks. Saul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:16:24 +0100 From: "NixxoN" Subject: SV: The Battle of Kalisz I have the "Battle for Kalisz" booklet. What do you whant to know? /Niklas "a Swede called NixxoN" *************************************************************** * Cyber PObox nixxon@webname.com * Cyber home http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-18340/ * WarLords e-mail warlords@mail.org (gaming group) * Harn HRT e-mail harn@writeme.com * ICQ number 235 699 *************************************************************** errare humanum est - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Saul Basgen Till: twilight2000@MPGN.COM Datum: den 23 oktober 1997 08:49 =C4mne: The Battle of Kalisz >Hello, > > I was curious if anyone had the Twilight: 2000 original boxed set. In i= t, >there is a little booklet called the Battle Of Kalisz. If anyone has it, >please let me know. Thanks. > >Saul > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:07:27 -0400 From: Scott Lazzari Subject: Re: The Battle of Kalisz Saul - I have it, actually I think I have two copies. Let me know if you want a copy, I can copy it and get it mailed to you. Scott Lazzari slazzari@tciconsulting.com http://mbordeaux.ne.mediaone.net/scott/ ICQ UIN: 2098756 - ----- 10:41 PM 10/22/97 -0700,Saul Basgen you wrote ----- >Hello, > > I was curious if anyone had the Twilight: 2000 original boxed set. In it, >there is a little booklet called the Battle Of Kalisz. If anyone has it, >please let me know. Thanks. > >Saul > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:43:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: SV: The Battle of Kalisz >I have the "Battle for Kalisz" booklet. >What do you whant to know? > >/Niklas Thanks, Scott's already helped me out. Saul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:03:53 -0400 (EDT) From: OrrinLadd@aol.com Subject: TW 2k webring who was talking about starting a TW2k webring? Count me in.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:30:41 -0500 From: Robert Beck Subject: Test-Please Ignore Just seeing if I can post yet. Mail's been screwed up. Don't mind me. :) Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:26:51 -0700 From: Hale Subject: Re: The Battle of Kalisz Saul Basgen wrote: > I was curious if anyone had the Twilight: 2000 original boxed set. In it, > there is a little booklet called the Battle Of Kalisz. If anyone has it, > please let me know. Thanks. I got it, what do you want/need from it? TTFN Ron Hale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: TW 2k webring >who was talking about starting a TW2k webring? Count me in.... What is the address to you're page? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Saul Basgen Subject: Re: The Battle of Kalisz >I got it, what do you want/need from it? >TTFN >Ron Hale Thanks, but I've already been helped on that. Saul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:08:14 -0400 (EDT) From: KAPPAABZ@aol.com Subject: Re: The Battle of Kalisz In a message dated 97-10-23 12:24:57 EDT, you write: > I was curious if anyone had the Twilight: 2000 original boxed set. In it, > there is a little booklet called the Battle Of Kalisz. If anyone has it, > please let me know. Thanks. > got it............................ ill send it as a text file................ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:36:31 -0500 From: David Reed Subject: RE: Question I'm just now catching up to where I can read the traffic over here... > > The US did field a > > new desert night pattern with crisscrossed black on green which does > > help > > break up slihouettes through image intesnifying night vision devices > > how new is that?? > > I remember wearing it a few years ago I have photos of me playing paintball in n/d as early as 1988... I thought the grid pattern was cool, but at the time the speckled black dots really annoyed me, especially the quasi-random size of them. The cloth was treated with some chemical that apparently absorbed certain frequencies of light, close to, and probably in, the UV range. We played paintball mostly indoors at the time, and there being lots of black lights on indoor fields at that time, the n/d really made a difference - until several washings reduced the effectiveness of the chemical treatment to nil and it glowed just as brightly under the black lights as anything else... Never had a chance to look at myself with a starlight scope or nods, though... Too bad. Probably just as well. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Research clearly indicates that : David Reed 42.7% of all statistics nationwide : are made up on the spot. : david@techrefuge.com - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:53:53 -0800 From: Chris Brody Subject: Re: The Battle of Kalisz Saul Basgen wrote: > > Hello, > > I was curious if anyone had the Twilight: 2000 original boxed set. In it, > there is a little booklet called the Battle Of Kalisz. If anyone has it, > please let me know. Thanks. > > Saul If you're talking about the original 1st edition black box, I know that i have it [somewhere]. I will do a little "digging" @ home and if I find the module, will let you know! ~Cbrody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:32:13 +0000 From: Gary Subject: Re: The Battle of Kalisz Saul Basgen wrote: > > Hello, > > I was curious if anyone had the Twilight: 2000 original boxed set. In it, > there is a little booklet called the Battle Of Kalisz. If anyone has it, > please let me know. Thanks. > > Saul Hi there !! I`ve got the original boxed set with the booklet called Battle of Kalize ( actually its called `Escape from Kalisz . How can I help ?? Gazo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:28:29 -0500 From: Robert Beck Subject: I'm back!-Twilight campaign update Yes. The account works. Now, I'd like to update my campaign story for my ongoing Twilight group. For those who don't remember, it's a classic setting-Poland in 2000. The group are survivors of the 5th Infantry Division (Mech) and have been on the run for about 2 weeks when this session starts. To recount last session, the team had just attacked Zdunska Wola, I believe. They had been soundly thrashed by the Polish cavalry unit there. It was actually a bad enough defeat that the player I posted about wanting me to recant on the Bradley's inability to see the AT team and AGS team that took out the BMP they had has left the game. It was a little of his inability to cope, combined with the rest of the group's apathy towards him, but that's old news. The group decided to negotiate with the Captain in charge of the garrison for the release of the POW's held there. The Captain, of course, was quite willing to be rid of them, as they were merely a burden on his already thinly stretched resources. He informed them, though, that there would be a price for the release of the POW's. You see, he knew that things were pretty much beginning to fall apart, and wanted a few bargaining chips to keep his unit and the town afloat through the leaner times. He also knew that gasoline convoys moved through his town quite a bit, mostly due to strong partisan activity to the north forcing the 4th Guards Tank Army to route convoys away from the action. He also knew that it would be difficult for him to take on the Soviets directly, as reinforcements would probably finish him or force him to withdraw into the wilderness. This was not an option. He had been wracking his brains on how to grab a convoy when the PC's attacked. Now, he had an option that would allow him to stay free of blame and get him the gasoline he needed. The players' team, he suggested could set up an ambush on the road to Sieradz, and eliminate the Soviet escort. Then, they would bring the trucks back to Zdunska Wola, where the Polish cav would be ready with transfer lines at old underground storage tanks. What better place to hide it than at what appeared to be long abandoned gas stations, he surmised? The Americans would then dispose of the trucks for him, and collect the POW's and 1 or 2 tankers, depending on the haul. Sounded easy enough, right? Well, amazingly, it was. The group laid out an intricate ambush with the Mk-19's, AGS-17, and M240's they had either mounted or man-carried at their medium to long ranges, and placed their AT missles and heavier guns at a slightly longer range. I think the TOW's were the big thing. They emplaced on both sides of the road, and used most of their anti-vehicular mines combined with a suitable number of Russian claymores they had acquired. The convoy, though heavily escorted, didn't stand a chance. I think all told, they claimed one T-90, one T-80 (front and rear guard, respectively), a handful of BTR's laden with troops, one BMP-3, two BMP-2's, and three UAZ's. Despite some close calls, they showed pretty good fire discipline not going after the tankers. Well, they policed up the area quickly, got drivers in the tankers, and executed the Poles' plan rather nicely. They then disposed of the tankers some distance to the south along the Warta. The Poles had been nice enough to supply operating frequencies of the Soviet units in their area (at least the ones they dealt with on a regular basis) so that the group could monitor any pursuit attempts. They did a fast haul, at some discomfort to the POW's, across the Warta, then damaged the bridge and mined the approach to deter further pursuit. From there, it was a mostly uneventful trek to Krakow, as the area they moved through had been somewhat depopulated. They did move through a trade town on the foothills to the north of Krakow that told them mostly the same thing as they'd been hearing about the city...a flying carpet, an evil king and a castle, the usual crap. I introed them to Operation Reset, and they responded like most players I've run through it, with the "What the hell is this?" attitude. They figure it's important enough to hunt down the DIA for and since they were headed to Krakow, the planned on starting their search there. The group still consider themselves to be loyal to higher command, but they're not quite sure on how to get passed all the Soviets and Poles between them and allied forces. Laying low in Krakow for awhile sounded appealing to them. Well, they bribed the guards extensively (had a lot of extra baggage-wounded POW's) with some petrol and American whiskey. They then proceeded to commandeer and begin repair on an abandoned row of houses just outside of the old city. Their remaining engineer and mechanical staff got to work and the rest of the healthy soldiers began administering full-time aid to the wounded while the team leadership pondered their next move. That's about where we wrapped. I'm hoping for another session soon, so stay tuned. Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:12:10 -0500 (EST) From: Gopossum@aol.com Subject: Re: VS: Question << until Bill Clinton's regime Rangers have always been considered eilite light airmobile light infantry. >> But isn't "meals-on-wheels" a much nicer task? :-) Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 02:36:05 -0800 (PST) From: Narve Subject: Newbie with a question This is my first posting to this list, and I've got a question for anyone on the list with good knowledge on napalm.I am norwegian, and the last week on of the major TV-channels have been going apeshit over the fact that the norwegian airforce practised bombing runs with napalm in the 60s and 70s. As far as I know all the bombings took place at military firing ranges (including one where the artillery battery I served in have fired countless numbers of 105mm & 155mm howitzer shells). To the best of my knowledge napalm consists of gasoline, fuel thickeners and phospor, and I fail to see whats wrong with the airforce dropping a few 750 lbs bombs of the stuff.If anyone could shed some light on what the problem can be, I'll be most grateful as I am getting fed up with the TV reporters yapping about this horrendous crime against humanity. "Panserskalle, panserskalle, over sletta løp, men der lå MFA og skjøt.Panserskalle, panserskalle løper ikke mer. Tøm våpen, kontroller!" _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:46:42 -0500 From: Scott Lazzari Subject: Re: Newbie with a question Because 'napalm sticks to kids'. probably a moral thing. Scott Lazzari slazzari@tciconsulting.com http://mbordeaux.ne.mediaone.net/scott/ ICQ UIN: 2098756 - ----- 02:36 AM 10/29/97 -0800,Narve you wrote ----- >This is my first posting to this list, and I've got a >question for anyone on the list with good knowledge >on napalm.I am norwegian, and the last week on of the >major TV-channels have been going apeshit over the >fact that the norwegian airforce practised bombing >runs with napalm in the 60s and 70s. >As far as I know all the bombings took place at >military firing ranges (including one where the >artillery battery I served in have fired countless >numbers of 105mm & 155mm howitzer shells). >To the best of my knowledge napalm consists of >gasoline, fuel thickeners and phospor, and I fail to >see whats wrong with the airforce dropping a few 750 >lbs bombs of the stuff.If anyone could shed some >light on what the problem can be, I'll be most >grateful as I am getting fed up with the TV reporters >yapping about this horrendous crime against humanity. > >"Panserskalle, panserskalle, over sletta l=F8p, men der >l=E5 MFA og skj=F8t.Panserskalle, panserskalle l=F8per ikke >mer. T=F8m v=E5pen, kontroller!" > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com > > > ------------------------------ End of twilight2000-digest V1996 #60 ************************************